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So I don’t know if this has been discussed in the other 25 pages but why the mass hysteria? We’ve had SARS, swine flu, bird flu and ebola issues in the last 20 years and I don’t remember them getting as much news coverage.
Less deadly than SARS, swine and bird flu, but way more contagious. Hence worldwide panic rather than just a few relatively isolated cases. If or when it does spread then the potential to hospitalize everyone over 65 and kill about 1 in 7 of them is probably, to quote that government spokesperson yesterday "non trivial".
Ebola was in a different league. Prompted a lot of panic which thankfully stopped it spreading and contained it.
Should we wait a few months then redo the BRexit vote with that demographic thinned out a bit ? Sorry, too early ?
No, I think we concluded the world was full of dickish comments like that a few pages ago.
Just a thought but if you don’t wish to sing “happy birthday” or “god save the queen” whilst washing your hands for the recommended 20 seconds then try the popular children’s nursery rhyme “ring a’ ring of roses, a pocket full of poses, ah’tish’shoo....ah’tish’shoo, we all fall down” and repeat once over for good measure.
I’m surprised it’s not been mentioned before 😷🤧🤒
Should we wait a few months then redo the BRexit vote with that demographic thinned out a bit ? Sorry, too early ?
Anymore comments like that and I’ll thin out the membership on here.
Shit just got serious - latest Bond film release delayed by 7 months to November. That qualifies for a full scale WTF from me (and annoying as I bought tickets only 48 h ago).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51744374
I was really looking forward to the new Bond film. 😥
“ring a’ ring of roses, a pocket full of poses, ah’tish’shoo….ah’tish’shoo, we all fall down”
Ironically enough doesn't this nursery rhyme owe it's origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague? 🤣
Schools and colleges in Italy to close..
Can we presume we'll be about a week behind this?
Ironically enough doesn’t this nursery rhyme owe it’s origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague? 🤣
No.
Had a text from our GP surgery this morning saying that their neighbouring surgery is being closed for 11 days as they had a patient with a suspected case in there.
So be prepared for our surgery to very busy as they will have to deal with the patients from that surgery too. Doesn’t seem too clever, I’ll give it till the end of the week before ours is closed too due to cross contamination . 🙄
It's strange that in London, the only people I've seen wearing masks (and it numbers maybe 15-20) are young, apparently fit and healthy people*....I suspect it's a fashion accessory more often than not (bloke at work had a black velvet-esque one)
* I accept that some may have underlying health issues
They may also have elderly or sick relatives, or simply want to try to avoid passing it on. Don't always look for the worst explanation.
Had two of these arrive from Amazon a few days ago. Hoping the 70% is effective. IPA, is still reasonably priced when I checked a few days back.
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Just a thought but if you don’t wish to sing “happy birthday” or “god save the queen” whilst washing your hands
Would people really ‘sing god save the queen’ or was it a er a psstake ?
I thought it’s easier to count to 25 or down from tbh.
Did like the WHO doc about hand washing with soap which said it should take 50-60 secs and using the paper towel to switch off tap, way more informative.
They may also have elderly or sick relatives, or simply want to try to avoid passing it on.
That's a fair point. I guess my clumsily made observation is that I'm not seeing older people wearing them, even tho they're more vulnerable
That’s a fair point. I guess my clumsily made observation is that I’m not seeing older people wearing them, even tho they’re more vulnerable
If you walk through Manchester Chinatown, everyone is wearing them!
Interesting thing I came across today.
Not saying it’s true or not true.
Some respiratory consultants have looked at cases of deaths over the last few months that could not be ‘pinned’ to a cause, but fitted what would normally be respiratory problems from ‘flu’, except they tested clear for flu. Subsequent test on the bodies have found traces of the Coronavirus. Therefore Coronavirus has been present for much longer in the uk than we have thought.
@poopscoop funnily enough I bought a litre of 99% IPA a while back for cleaning up brake callipers- most of it is still in the garage so may use it for virus killing if necessary
@FunkyDunc I wouldn’t be at all surprised, but it’d be retrospective testing of respiratory viral swabs rather than bodies.
Where did you come across this thing?
timmys
SubscriberShit just got serious – latest Bond film release delayed by 7 months to November.
It made for a pretty weird intro to the news tonight- CORONAVIRUS all across the bottom of the screen and loads of stuff exploding at the top.
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Interesting thing I came across today.
Not saying it’s true or not true.
Oh ffs. Then why say it at all?
Oh ffs. Then why say it at all?
Makes you think.
Funcyduncs scenario is entirely plausible and not without merit.
Genetic analysis of the virus circulating on the West Coast suggests that COVID-19 has been transmitting through the region for about six weeks. This community spread was not detected earlier for several reasons. First, about 81% of cases do not require
https://www.livescience.com/how-deadly-is-coronavirus-covid-19.html
So feel free to snort away...
@FunkyDunc I wouldn’t be at all surprised, but it’d be retrospective testing of respiratory viral swabs rather than bodies.
Nor would I - known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns (sounds stupid but I think Rumsfeld was remarkably lucid with that statement) etc etc. Labs won't have been testing for something they don't expect to see.
Just a thought but if you don’t wish to sing “happy birthday” or “god save the queen” whilst washing your hands for the recommended 20 seconds then try the popular children’s nursery rhyme “ring a’ ring of roses, a pocket full of poses, ah’tish’shoo….ah’tish’shoo, we all fall down” and repeat once over for good measure.
Happy Birthday twice over was 'official' advice. God Save the Queen was Rees-Mogg's personal advice (what a prick that man is)
The best advice I've seen so far, is to imagine you're chopping chillis and suddenly need a wee. That's the amount of handwashing that's appropriate.
Just follow the bloody SOP I posted. There's no need for ****ing around with happy birthdays, there's a simple, effective and systematic method for washing your hands. And for the love of god, keep your damn fingernails short.
We use a very similar protocol for washing our hands when entering the first cleanliness grade of our biologics manufacturing suites.
You guys aren't usually examples of the barely literate masses, so I'm sure you can follow it.
Following that document, understanding it and remembering it is literally the best thing you could do. Face masks, gloves, stockpiling - all a pain in the arse, costly and probably less effective than following that document.
I wish you all the best and hope none of you or your loved ones croak from this.
Sounds like Flybe has just collapsed again. Massive loss of revenue over the last few weeks.
Edit: breaking news now https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51746564
Raybanwomble - that article is based on a series of tweets (looks like a respectable source at a glance but not my area) suggesting transmission in the US over the past six weeks and a few hundred infected. I guess this is possible, I wouldn't know. But really very different to saying it's been transmitting in the UK for a few months, unnoticed amongst regular seasonal flu (when this has been a pretty easy season so far, thankfully), whilst showing only a handful of positives amongst the first few thousand tests done.
Whatever, your story's sourced and may add something. Funkydunk's? Nope.
There’s no need for **** around with happy birthdays
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Yep, One job - up your bio-security. It's not business as usual.
No waffle, no Borising on and definitely no Hey Nonny Nonny!
guess this is possible, I wouldn’t know. But really very different to saying it’s been transmitting in the UK for a few months, unnoticed amongst regular seasonal flu (when this has been a pretty easy season so far, thankfully), whilst showing only a handful of positives amongst the first few thousand tests done.
Whatever, your story’s sourced and may add something. Funkydunk’s? Nope.
But it's not totally out the realm of possible - and is something that I should think PHE will be considering. The guy had stated he wasn't sure of the veracity of what he was posting - that is surely a sign that the person wants to engage with people who might know more than he does.
This is always a good thing, when laymen post things with a slightly questioning attitude. Not one of certain fact, this means they can be educated and pushed in the right direction.
If people post something with statements that indicate they aren't sure of what they have read, it's up to us to try and keep them interested and not put them off. If they come on and speak a load of old bollocks, with 100 percent conviction, like a lot of anti-vaxxers do - then be my guest and have away....
This is one of the defining moments when "experts" can convince the public to trust them again.
Looks like the news that India is cutting back on the shipping of some common drugs (paracetamol for instance) today has had an impact here anyway. Even the co-op is fully out of that and ibuprofen. Even the expensive branded stuff.
If people post something with statements that indicate they aren’t sure of what they have read, it’s up to us to try and keep them interested and not put them off.
Ah fairy nuff.
Be interesting to know where people are when they say shops have run out of things. I did a shop last night in Newcastle. I didn't notice anything missing or empty shelves.
So I bought 100 bottles of alcohol gel to put on eBay for you all 😉
can't be bothered.
That's one of the first signs - quick, close the thread before it spreads!
Whilst I have not seen the point in panic buying groceries .. alcohol rub .. or bog roll; I have been keeping an eye on the holiday prices.
Whilst there are a few genuine bargain offers out there - as there is most years to be fair. But they still havent really tumbled in price as expected.
I think the industry are holding back as long as they can with this, although it is likely to go straight to rock bottom if there are any more incidents like in Tenerife.
I guess the Majorcan locals who have been protesting about tourists may get their wish.
This is going around in Australia at the moment.
***URGENT RECALL****
Supermarkets are currently recalling toilet paper as the cardboard roll inserts are imported from China and there are strong fears the cardboard has been contaminated with the coronavirus.
The most recent purchases are deemed most likely to be contaminated.
If you have recently bought bulk supplies you are now at risk ...return that toilet paper and apply deep heat directly to your anus to kill any infection ..don't wait till it's too late!
There's some right sadists there. 🙂
Not a single toilet roll to be had in Waitrose last night. Annoying as we actually need some.
People are idiots.
Now you'll have to go to Asda and mix with the diseased plebs*
*Actually, you must be more likely to get it in Waitrose, as that's the key 'half-term break in Northern Italy' demographic.
Corner shop to the rescue.
I guess the Majorcan locals who have been protesting about tourists may get their wish.
Off topic, but why are they protesting? I thought the tourists kept the economy afloat?
Before we all start buying loads of PVC sheeting and gaffer tape, this article illustrates where things are at present, globally:
The slowing rate of new cases, deaths etc in mainland China offers hope. Any idea why this is? Containment, mis-reporting, weather??
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year.
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year
the number is nearer to 1800 and has remained steady for many years
🤣🤣🤣
5 a day = 300!
There's been a surge in Laptop prices via our reseller channel. I didn't see the connection at first, I'm moaning to my rep about pricing, he says "it's Coronavirus ain't it!" I thought he was taking the piss, but of course I'm trying to source piles of them for clients who are stock-piling expecting large numbers of staff needing to self-isolate and work from home, as is everyone else.
Between that and the flooding we had here last month, I can't remember ever being so busy.
So about 300+ this year
probably means 300+ so far this year.
**** know about the link but its a article on Bloomberg's website today.
300 being 60 odd days so far this year at 5 per day? So 1825 per year. Do you lot want to see full working out as well?
5 a day = 300!
I think they’re talking about fruit and veg.
Containment, mis-reporting, weather??
Could be all three, who knows.
Could be that China has changed its tactics from attempted containment to limiting economic fallout, its all a PR game for the CCP - it’s all about the optics, be seen do be doing something, then once the economy gets hit to hard play it down - the CCP are even trying to redirect public anger by blaming the west for the disease now.
Again, we don’t know anything truly concrete. We will know once we’ve seen how it spreads in Europe and America.
The WHO seems to believe them, but we know that it’s not out of the realms of possibility for a authoritarian country to be able to present a good image to visitors whilst corruption is rampant in the background.
This article slowpuncher.
probably means 300+ so far this year.
I took it to mean that.
It'll be interesting to see if Italy's action of closing schools has any effect, or will it just delay the spread by a few weeks.
Fairly happy to hear Matt Hancock stating that once this is over, we need to look at improving people’s health in work and encouraging employers to care more about their workers health.
Whether that translates to a genuine caring Tory policy or a psychotic Cummings “**** the poor anD ill, force them back into work” type policy remains to be seen.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/lourdes-shrine-closes-healing-pools-as-precaution-against-coronavirus/
Like WOW.... can't the pope or a bishop just bless it or something? Why would they close the only known and medically proven cure now?
Ironically enough doesn’t this nursery rhyme owe it’s origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague? 🤣
You must of read that on the side of a bus.
Laptop refresh at work has been curtailed to provide people who normally come into the office with a laptop...
Have we any evidence on the claim people in the U.K. died of Corvid 19 months ago yet?
Could well have as Corvid19 wouldn't have been checked as a cause back then and they would have just died of pneumonia along with 1,000s of other old people over the winter.
Ironically enough doesn’t this nursery rhyme owe it’s origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague?
I grew up with that explanation. It was a suprise when people debunked it here !! But live and learn.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o%27_Roses
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year.
That is not context. 1800 people die every year in road traffic accidents.
The difference with Corvid19 is the potential and the unknown.
We pretty much know that around 1800 people will die in RTAs this year. We don't have a clue how many people will die due to Corvid19. Could be a handful, could be 100,000
Based on that should we not bother dealing with Corvid19 because more people might die in RTAs?
im a bit confused about the “half-1/4- 60% of the population will get it” doomsayers in the media.
Wuhan is a city of 11 million yet there have been 3000 odd deaths, 52k have recovered with 80k total cases in the whole of China.i’m not trying to say it’s not worth worrying about and I’m rubbish at maths but there will be billions of cases and millions of deaths if this is true.
just did a rough calculation on 7billion people and a 25% infection level and you get 5.5million worldwide deaths at 3% mortality. which is 450k deaths in the U.K at .87% of the worlds population. i would be very very surprised if this happens!
maybe its all project fear as a way of getting people to be sensible and minimise transmission.
this has probably been linked to before but a good source of data without added sensationalism
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Closing schools is a tricky one to call. Here in Switzerland (100 cases, 1 death) they are reluctant to get to that stage because it will, in general, mean that working parents will call on the grandparents to look after the kids and the authorities want to minimise the most at-risk group of people from contracting it..
Kerley, It is context in terms of where we are now in terms of cases and (thankfully) lack of fatalities. Nothing more, nothing less.
What the Coronavirus End Game Will Look Like
Based on that should we not bother dealing with Corvid19 because more people might die in RTAs?
Yeah. That's right. Almost word for word.
If the mortality rate truly is 6%, then total UK fatalities would be closer to 4m, than 450k, and total worldwide fatalities would be in the region of 0.5bn or 5x the total number of casualties of both World Wars.
Could well have as Corvid19 wouldn’t have been checked as a cause back then and they would have just died of pneumonia along with 1,000s of other old people over the winter.
But surely we’d now have millions infected instead if 10s if it had been around for months.
Crows, Magpies, Jackdaws and their ilk considering legal action to stem increasing use of the misnomer Corvid-19 and launch education campaign to explain it's Covid-19
Corvid19 - first symptom is a nasty chough ?
Getting serious now. I’ve created an eponymous folder in my email. Might do a little panic buying on the way home if wife can’t provide a bog roll update in time
Corvid-19 and launch education campaign to explain it’s Covid-19
They’re taking on Apple?
Corvid19 – first symptom is a nasty chough ?
One of them yes.
According to wikipedia this is Corvid 19
He's a handsome fellow
Should we wait a few months then redo the BRexit vote with that demographic thinned out a bit ? Sorry, too early ?
Careful now, I've already had a post cut and a warning for daring to say there are positives to this, and every disaster.
Only hand wringing posts and panic spreading rumours allowed.
The only solution: stone the crows!
But surely we’d now have millions infected instead if 10s if it had been around for months.
Yep, and we may well have way more infected than the data suggests. Remember only 13,500 tests have been done and the majority of people will have very mild symptoms so would even call for a test
Interesting short podcast on it.
Yep, and we may well have way more infected than the data suggests. Remember only 13,500 tests have been done and the majority of people will have very mild symptoms so would even call for a test
So says it’s 500,000 then but we’ve no confirmed deaths in the U.K. from a U.K. source of the infection. Like I say I’ve seen no facts on this just a poster on here saying they’ve heard about it. Facts are good, “my mate Dave says” not so good.
Two separate types being reported by the media now, one more aggressive than the other
Two separate types being reported by the media now, one more aggressive than the other
Not quite sure I would believe that. I cant read all the article but it stops after saying "Genetic analysis of a man in the US who tested positive on January 21, also showed it is possible to be infected with both types", how can the virus have already mutated within one month of cases and in all places the US. Surely if a mutation was to occur it would have been in China where the virus is much more prevalent and was at one point basically a breeding ground for the virus (my thinking is of watching ecoli growth sped up in petri dishes vs antibiotics and eventually e-coli gaining antibiotic resistance in a few thousand iterations of evolution).
Although I guess if it was struggling to gain a foothold in the US and needed a mutational boost, evolution paved its path there. Not sure Covid19 will appear on Plague Inc for a few years. Not sure I can relate any knowledge from hours wasted on that game to a real life mutation scenario...
EDIT- just read the other link. Guess its not too soon at all.
That Torygraph article above is shocking journalism. Entitled 'Coronavirus has mutated into more aggressive disease, say scientists'.
It starts with: 'The older ‘S-type’ appears to be milder and less infectious, while the ‘L-type’ which emerged later, spreads quickly and currently accounts for around 70 per cent of cases.'
Then a quote: “At the moment we don't have hard evidence that the virus has changes with regards to disease severity or infectivity" -hardly what the title said.
Then 'The Chinese scientists, who analysed the viral DNA from 103 infected people, said it appeared the less dangerous ‘S-type’ was now taking over...' So which one is taking over? L or S-type??
Then: 'It could be the virus mutating to a less dangerous form, or it could be the superhuman lockdown measures' Is that the same as being a more 'aggressive disease??
Finally: “Nothing has occurred that is major and this virus appears to be stable,”
That's the kind of reporting that sells bog rolls though.