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I wonder how much plasma you would need for this to be effective. Might need a unfeasibly large number of donors to vaccine the whole country, also there would be safety concerns in doing that.
When the Chinese tried it they needed a couple of units to be sure to get enough antibody because some plasma had v low amounts
IF we get antibody testing kits, I guess they may indentify folk who've seroconverted "successfully". After that, yeah, you need a process for producing the stuff
Inside there’s just no way to stray apart, and lots of people. It’s the most people I’ve been close to in the last 2 weeks. Prime location for passing something on!
I gave at the weekend. I thought it was reasonably well spaced compared to normal and i figured these were some of the least likely people in town to have CV - if you even thought you might you wouldn’t go, and there were screening questions, everyone was asked to wash hands with a proper sink and then sanitise (and we sanitised at the front door too).
Scottish Stocks are actually looking OK now except for B- (which is quite alarmingly low). And the staff said they were expecting about 1/2 as much demand as CV isn’t treated with blood products and other stuff was being cut right back. But people will still have accidents, emergency surgery, difficult births etc and cancer patients, burns patients, need ongoing treatment. If you don’t want to go to a major donation session - make an appointment at one of the static centres they are usually much quieter.
I think the queue outside boots looked much higher risk to me.
The more you violently exhale the more potentially hazardous particles you emit and the further they go. The 2m rule is not absolutely safe. It’s a question of degree. So yes. Cross the Street especially if you are running. Unless you have very good stocks of food you are going to have to get it from somewhere
and dog owners can pick up shite in their gardens.
What about if they don't have a garden?
Dog owner who doesn't have a garden probably shouldn't have a dog.
Moving on, its becoming tiresome reading what-ifs; gov recommendations are out there - could be clearer - but, if in doubt, don't.
What about if they don’t have a garden?
You really don't know where I'm going to go with that?.... 🤣
Quick update ~ 7 hours later, Mrs RNP released, no corona test even though bloods done, xray was ‘okay’ breathing a little better but still nowhere near where it should be and now flaked out on the sofa completely exhausted. Told if lips turn blue to return.
Hospital not geared up for it - no social spacing, public, staff and visitors all close proximity.
Fingers crossed for you RNP.
RM.
Crossing everything for you.
RNP - fingers crossed, thoughts with you.
@poly you’re probably right about the people there not being very likely to have it but if it’s as contagious as we’re told then it would only take 1 person a few days ago and it would be around the nurses in no time.
I was told to wash my hands but no hand sanitizer for the punters, and only additional screening question was “are you feeling well and have you been near anyone unwell”.
They wanted me to hang around after to make sure I was ok (as usual) but I left straight away.
I think the queue outside boots looked much higher risk to me.
Yes but I’ve been staying away from there too, I went in to Boots for my wife’s prescription the other day, second person in and straight out again.
Neither of us have been in a supermarket since a week Saturday. Without getting overly obsessed I am being very careful, as much as anything because I’m still working and once someone gets it there it will probably get around everyone pretty quick.
RNP that doesn’t sound good, get well soon Mrs RNP.
Just to prove that banks will be banks, read this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52043896
It isn't all of them but, yet again, we're not all in it together.
What a bunch of shits.
More names to add to the shit list of companies who should be shunned.
You've just posted the same article twice. What are you expecting banks to do exactly, they are private businesses who aren't going to take on the risk themselves. Not sure why you would expect them to tbh. I work for a bank (Not one of those mentioned in the article) and they have gone above and beyond with regards to their employees, both temp and perm
As for RNP's wife..she hasn't even been tested? That sounds absolutely ridiculously. Is that because it's a clear case and there Is no point, or because they've run out (Despite prince Charles having one for his 'mild symptoms')
Banks - yes, we'll definitely support you but will accept zero risk; as for what gov wants/expects we'll just ignore that - again.
The problem with emergency measures - as was proven in 2008/9 - is that well intentioned support schemes are 'used' (was going to say gamed) by organisations inc banks who should be part of the solution but, in fact, help perpetuate the problem.
Going back to 2008/9, banks mis-used the support available to rebuild their capital reserves and generally ignored what the gov wanted and expected them to do.
That's without getting into debate about banks culpability in causing the problem but that's a different story.
I made no reference to how banks have treated their employees and don't see the relevance of your comment in the context of them (not) supporting customers as intended through a gov backed scheme.
As for double posting a link - I'll sort that in the morning.
I can see companies abusing the antibody tests as well
If you have had it you will be told to come back in - I suppose this is fair enough based on what we know.
If you haven't had it you'll be encouraged to expose yourself so you can come back to work afterwards... irrespective of the harm this causes.
The point I was trying to make yesturday was
If 100 people show enough symptons to convince 3 tiers of health professionals that they have Corona Virus , and upon testing only 9 of them test positive, and 91 are clear then there has to be a reason why
Either .- The test is flawed ( doubtful)
The patient is psycoshematic and has conjured up the symptons in their head (doubtful)
There is another virus doing the rounds that presents identically to C19 , but clearly isn't
and this isnt being tested for either ( eg. seasonal flu )
They are deliberatly faking the symptons to get time off work ( well enough to get tested ?)
Hope your wife makes a full recovery Rusty , must be a very worrying time for you all.
I am still working , Breweries with Off Licences given exemption from lockdown. Being very , very careful with spacing in the shop . We are lucky to have 3 of the WHO listed C19 killers on site , Chlorinated caustic, PAA and Quat , so able to wipe down everything that gets sold, card reader keypad between customers , door wedged open etc , cash gets a Quat rinse .
You will not see any of this happening in Tescos
I pretty much gave up drink when junior was young as having a few and catching a cold off him became more than a coincidence. Clearly it's a personal choice and some people are dependent so it's a bad time to ban sales to add to miseries, but for those of us who have a choice staying off booze is a good idea.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110929235156.htm
I can’t help but be reminded of Brewing For Victory on the off license thing.
Not really the same deal but rather suspect it’s still something that’s come out if the behavioural sciences department rather than a let’s keep those “dependent” jacked up.
If you have had it you will be told to come back in – I suppose this is fair enough based on what we know.
If we knew that you cant get it twice, which we dont
Yep , totally agree . Its a moral thing fo shure . Or to stop rioting in the streets , keep the public slightly pissed at home not out making a nuisence of themselves .
WW2 they brewed throughout , and alot of women brewsters were employed or brewers given exemption from call up.
Theres no volume though , a couple of dozen take homes = 10% of our weekly output ish and we will probably close down next month and mothball .
On the subject of off-licenses, my wife (ACP in an ED) thinks it’s a good idea.
She thinks that without access to alcohol especially now pubs are shut, there would be a risk of alcoholics being unable to supply their addiction and going into withdrawal, therefore having to attend ED with all the issues that brings (blocking available space in hospital, etc...)
Yes, it’s not necessary great for them long term but it’s actually helpful to both them and the healthcare system short term.
I did comment to her the other day that I actually felt sorry for the ‘Weatherspoons bloke’, those who are there every morning at 8am and stay till the evening. Although alcohol addiction is often a large part of their habitual attendance at the church of cheap drink, it’s also effectively a social club and may well be one of the few places they get any social contact. Isolation is all very well when you are a relatively fit and healthy person but for those amongst us who are vunerable (& not just in a Coronavirus sense) it must be pretty awful.
Morning folks, another day in the rabbit hole
Onwards and through, in any particular situation some of us are up some of us are down. There's not really a right and a wrong only a don't take the xxss. All of us are equally capable of being idiots.
Anyway back to life tips:
Is it a drying day? Might I recommend some washing.
Take care out there folks and be kind.
If we knew that you cant get it twice, which we dont
Below article (dated yesterday) says you will have immunity for some time after recovery - how long for is not clear yet. However, they think even if you can catch it again, it will be milder second time around.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-immunity-antibodies.html
Weird. Shows the thumbnail but won't click through. Here is a Twitter link instead:
https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1242942843519467521
Same again
Edit, that’s worked
I read somewhere that if you are out running and someone is running the same way you should cross over the road to avoid them
Airborne transmission so best to avoid someone breathing heavy 20m better than 2m 🙂
Whilst walking the dogs I tend to cross over as a common courtesy but not seeing this being reciprocated with dual runners around my way who just seem to steam on two abreast towards you. Single runners conversely adjust course way in advance.
Hmm and the max 20mph speed limits to have been raised to 40mph as well.
RNP - best wishes to your wife.
I'm feeling a bit more confident today than yesterday as to our chances of getting this virus under control.
I think it was mentioned before about Italian people smoking. It's a way of life for them, young Italians all do it, it's classed as cool and just a part of their culture. Thus this surely has something to do with their high mortality rate.
Nearly everyone I know is taking the message 'stay at home, Protect the NHS and save lives' seriously and complying.
Of course my next door neighbours think they're exempt and have been carrying on as though nothing is happening.
Planning our first shopping trip of the lockdown later. As an MTBer I never thought I'd see a day when going to the supermarket might be the most dangerous thing I do all year.
Worth taking some gloves or not?
If 100 people show enough symptons to convince 3 tiers of health professionals that they have Corona Virus , and upon testing only 9 of them test positive, and 91 are clear then there has to be a reason why
The patient is psycoshematic and has conjured up the symptons in their head (doubtful)
There is another virus doing the rounds that presents identically to C19 , but clearly isn’t
and this isnt being tested for either ( eg. seasonal flu )
I think it’s probably a combination of these things. Seasonal flu and common colds won’t have gone away, and because everyone is hyper aware of COVID-19, which has symptoms almost identical to many colds & flu’s, everyone who has anything resembling it at the moment is assuming it’s COVID-19.
The test results just suggest that 9 out of 10 times it isn’t actually COVID-19, just a ‘regular’ cold/flu etc.
Very refreshing interview with Lord Rose from Occado on the Today program. You won't hear a politician speaking like that!
"UK homes have a billion pounds more food in their cupboards! How much are you going to eat?"
It will be here later from 8:10 AM (or - 50 min).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj9z/episodes/player
This is what leadership sounds like
I was told to wash my hands but no hand sanitizer for the punters
Isn't hand washing more effective than sanitiser?
I’m going to wear gloves & a mask outside my “safe place”. Mainly to stop myself touching my face. Plus if I’m asymptotic it should stop me spreading - that’s generally the reason Asian countries have worn masks, politeness to others.
“UK homes have a billion pounds more food in their cupboards! How much are you going to eat?”
Well, we are eating a lot more at home than we used to. That billion quid must be offset against the food that Pret a Manger and McDonalds etc aren't buying.
I was reading about 'aerosol' droplet emissions from a sneeze, they can go 60m apparently. Open your back windows, not your front ones.
Well, we are eating a lot more at home than we used to.
Exactly, buying more food from supermarkets is to be expected. I used to eat lunch at work, I used to eat out at the weekends. All that is now replaced with eating food from supplies in my house. When you have 70 million people doing that, hitting a billions pounds is not that hard.
Isn’t hand washing more effective than sanitiser?
I'd been thinking about a similar thing. If a good dose of soapy water and a brush being is a better way to clean off things like gate snacks and catches before using them. Mostly I'm walking on the road at the moment to avoid battles with gates. There's definitely an increase in the number of people using some of the paths round the village - more footprints in the mud than usual.
Sadly it also seems some people's way of keeping a bit of normality is littering - nitrile gloves, WTF. No, I din't pick them up. Yes I have thought about picking up litter on the way round. Probably will at some point but waiting to see what the bins do - on the one hand spring clean good on the other putting suddenly massive amounts of rubbish into the system bad. Especially if we all did it at once - there's that law of untended consequences again.
@scotroutes - sorry, I was posting after just getting off the phone with my parents. Both of them are refusing to not go out despite explicit instructions from their doctors to stay at home and not go out. They both think it's not going to get them and that by going out unnecessarily they are no risk to anyone at all. Not following the rules is a bit of a site subject right now.
You are right in that going 10 minutes to find a quiet spot is the best thing to do in some situations but there are people who will abuse any leeway for their own personal reasons. I'm currently working in the Welsh Valleys and there are lots of people out not paying attention to the 2m rule, of all ages and some are in groups but as all they're doing is popping to the newsagents for the papers and a part by of milk they don't have to follow the rules.
Like I said, a touchy subject with me right now. Might give the internet a miss for a few hours.
Italian Mayor Threatens To Send "Police With Flamethrowers" To Graduation Parties
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241696164782669824
Isn’t hand washing more effective than sanitiser?
Yes I think it is. Washed hands on way in to hall, but then sat about for 30mins once inside including filling in a form and passing clipboards between people.
Agreed, my work has gone through sanitiser at a ridiculous rate, even though there is no lack of sinks or handwash.
It is my understanding that alcohol sanitiser is particularly effective at destroying the coronavirus due to its "envelope" or some such. It's a good idea IMO to have it at the entrance to a premises, then people don't have to traipse through to find a sink & potentially touch things on the way.
Sorry if this has already been posted.
Canal and rivers trust:
Only use towpaths that are local to you, only if you have to (going to work etc).
Stay away from moored boats.
This is it in a nutshell.
People have been spotted in groups still walking out along the tow paths.
Admittedly I had to push myself into a hedge the other day to get away from 2 lads tearing along on bicycle shaped objects, with very little space.