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If you think that what we’re experiencing now is the “fault” or “responsibility” of Chinese people
I don't really understand where you got that from?
If you read what stewartc wrote he is blaming the CCP for allowing the spread to HK.
I think we are getting a bit tied up here over what exactly the definition of "Chinese people" is.. ??
Licensing, Sunday Trading laws, Fining parents for kids missing school, social services being called ?
All this seems to be pretty simple ...
My local FB groups have been "the school won't say if we will be fined" ... "what if I go to the supermarket and leave my 9/10yr old at home and social services get involved"
NHS staff queuing for Sunday opening ??? NHS staff requiring MOT... ???
All of this could have been easily sorted out with simple statements ...FFS
I think the "racism" debate over what stewart said is just a simply misunderstanding of what he intended. I took "chinese tourists" to be the folk moving around in china as there were big festivals or something. Not racist. If you took it to mean " Chinese nationals travelling outside of china" then that looks racist. I am very sensitive to racism - too sensitive according to some but I saw no racism in his post
Guys - we are all a bit on edge and worried. Lets try to keep it civil and try to think of the best interpretation of what folk say not the worst
Social workers have far bigger problems on their minds than whether a child who is old enough to be left alone for a short time has been.
On Sunday trading and such, till systems are all electronic now and will be programmed to open and close at certain times (and for certain items), this is not something the floor staff can do anything about, just another law of unintended consequences.
Avoid morris dancing about as much as possible
A solo jig is fine as long as you keep a sensible distance from the musician.
So – swimming out then?
Let them go. It's not as though anyone with any sense will be there.
has China become the new Israel-if you criticise you must be a racist?
Hold on there cowboy!
Chinese scientists and medical staff defied their own government to ensure that the world knew about this as early as possible. They deserve credit in doing what needs doing despite the risk to them due to the authoritarian regime they have to operate under.
Most identified entry points to Europe and the USA were non-Chinese workers fleeing China and bringing it “home”… avoiding the containment measures being put in place there… nothing to do with “Chinese Tourists”… who I hope will be as welcome as ever after all this is sorted.
Blaming the “current extent of the spread” on “Chinese Tourists” is the nonsense that was being called out.
Plenty of room to be a critic of the Chinese government. Or any government. Including in their handling of this, if you wish.
Had a look at some more numbers.
Growth in death count and growth in confirmed case count looks like about a 6 or 7 day lag to me, going on the Italian data.
If that confirmed case growth in Italy is truly slowing, then we might be looking at around 30k deaths when the thing runs its course. I have massive margin of error, of course. I am assuming actual cases tracks the confirmed case data, and the mortality is 1% and fitting the existing death figures to that.
Then conditions change of course, lockdown will lift, so we will see what happens then.
UK curves and data looks precious little different, to me. What is brutally apparent is that we are at a crucial juncture in the UK. If we don't get proper isolation working it will be very, very bad, could be easily 100k plus dead by the time the initial wave is over, but if we get it right, we couuld continue to follow the Italian curve, maybe 30k dead. If we had entered lockdown a week ago the dead could be counted in low thousands.
IANA epidemiologist. Etc.
the daily fail are running with...
Show ID to leave the house, non-essential shops could shut and police on patrol for anyone found in a group: Boris Johnson 'faces Cabinet revolt' unless he imposes European-style lockdown TODAY
Boris Johnson ‘faces Cabinet revolt’ unless he imposes European-style lockdown TODAY
Boris just does whatever Dom tells him. And Dom clearly doesn't want a lockdown. Given his recent reported comments it would appear that David Cameron was literally right in his description of him
Guys – we are all a bit on edge and worried
Sexist!
Why do we ****ing bother? That's Charles and Camilla making themselves at home on Deeside and their security retinue billitted around Ballater.
This is interesting, some good news amongst the gloom? Bare in mind the Spanish lockdown is quite strict
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737053569677290&id=106152756100731
Origronal source
Social workers have far bigger problems on their minds than whether a child who is old enough to be left alone for a short time has been.
It's would only take a clarification. "If you think your child can be safely left at home whilst you go to the supermarket ..." otherwise like the key workers where one parent is WFH /schools/pubs some will do it because they are idiots and don't care others because they are a different type of idiot that is waiting for explicit instructions.
On Sunday trading and such, till systems are all electronic now and will be programmed to open and close at certain times (and for certain items), this is not something the floor staff can do anything about, just another law of unintended consequences.
"Sorry we can't unlock the tills until 10 AM ???" - How about a store manager shifting the NHS hour to when they are actually open?
"We will not be fining anyone who's child is absent" (etc. etc.)
Um... except our biggest problem with all this seems to be no-one can or will think for themselves and take action.
Quite honestly we/I should have seen this coming... when my son's grandfather died a few years ago I emailed the school to ask if he can attend the funeral .. (before the data was even known).
Answer "we will come back to you next week"
It seems to me the law of unintended consequences is a bigger/wider/longer question .. years of penalising people who take an initiative in the first instance.
The next social media outrage will be over selfish bastards sending kids into schools when they could be safely looked after at home.
The Learning Trust my wife works at has experienced numbers in class to be roughly equal to Government expectations and have not been overwhelmed by selfish individuals.
The Learning Trust my wife works at has experienced numbers in class to be roughly equal to Government expectations and have not been overwhelmed by selfish individuals.
That's good to hear.
Our issue is going to be the entitled 'my career is just so fabbo and soooooo important to me' types that are the rule around here.
"I would be able to work effectively if only Tarquin wouldn't keep pestering me to open jars of olives for him and Jemima wouldn't keep worrying about her pony". That type.
Still, I'm enjoying a bit of a rant...
Nicola Sturgeon
* urging all non-essential shops to close (other than food, fuel and pharmaceuticals?)
* urging all non-essential businesses to close and not require workers to attend
* not ruling out army/police enforcement.
The first minister points out she has made announcements on the closure of pubs and clubs and today called on all non-essential retail to shut.Ms Sturgeon tells the journalist she understands human instinct but if you are in a crowded place indoors or outdoors you are encountering the same risk. People have to get out and get fresh air and exercise, but on your own or with your own family group who you live with, she adds.
The right actions are happening … maybe some of us think that time has been wasted (I obviously do) … but things are moving fast now …
https://twitter.com/hsjeditor/status/1242071661190529024?s=21
Here's the situation in Switzerland if anyone is interested..
All shops except those selling food have been closed for over a week now. All bars, restuarants etc have been shut for two weeks.
Going to the supermarket now there are lines on the floor two meters apart and it's one out, one in. You can't advance to the till until the previous customer has left. Large sections of some shelves are taped off (DVD, games etc) as they are non essential items. So far we're still allowed out to exercise but any groups of more than 5 people in a public place are at risk of receiving a fine.
I had to post a letter today – letter box (gold one for a local olympic medallist) is outside the PO. 5 or 6 folk hanging around outside in an informal queue and all maintaining separation – so, good news.
My wife is off to one of her elderly, infirm clients (community care). She will have been in 4 other houses already today, having to team up with other workers on a couple of occasions. The client she is off to had a visitor last night and has both a cleaner and a hairdresser scheduled to pop round later today. Some folk still aren’t getting it.
Our local GP practice has had a significant number of positive tests from staff. Nightmare scenario, town I live in has a larger than average number of old folks in it's demographic.
if anyone is interested.
Yes, reassuring to know things are consistent across borders.
It's now a week since I went out shopping, so there's not much to report first hand apart from nice weather and the lack of noise.
Some folk still aren’t getting it.
From what I've just seen, it seems to be the very people who are at highest risk. Pensioners.
Just nipped into Aldi for a couple of odds and sods. No dramas. It wasn't busy. Shelves fully stocked. Nobody panic buying. Good to see. Everyone was keeping a good distance away from each other, apart from.... you guessed it.... the over 70's.
A big group of them had congregated together and were stood gassing by the tills. Moaning for *ing England. Totally ignoring the social distancing that everyone else was clearly doing and generally getting in everyone's way
*ing idiots!
Binners- so it's not just round my gaff in the deep south, then.
I'm not trying to excuse the actions of the elderly, but..... (shoot me down in flames later)
When you are 20, 30, 40, even 50, you hopefully have a long life in front of you. A lost summer of riding and other adventures will, eventually, recede in the memory and it may even spur you on to make up for lost time in the coming years. For folk over a certain age, that opportunity won't come. If you're currently able to walk around your town and gas with your mates, you'll be only too aware that could be short-lived through "normal" disease, infirmity and death. To an extent, there must be a "WGAS" emotion and a refusal to consider any premature closing down and isolation.
Jeez - I'm just over 60 and well aware that I'm never likely to get around to completing my ever-growing ticklist 🙂
IT's not just the UK either.
I'm on a conference call with a load of my team in Europe, they're having the same issues with people, but again, most of them are not in lockdown.
We in the UK seem to think it's only us being idiots.. but that's not the case
Has anyone seen any number for familial deaths i. Spain or Italy?
Wondering if they are loosing granny and grandad and then possibly mum and dad from the same building, leaving the yoinger 3 or 4 kids effectivrly orphans, but potentially ill with c19
Local Tesco tried the nhs goldrn hour, but had to abort as the queue was crazy long and the security staff were overwhelmed and threatened when they tried to turn away non n h s workers so it became the same pre apocalypse bun fight as ladt weeks effort
If you’re currently able to walk around your town and gas with your mates, you’ll be only too aware that could be short-lived through “normal” disease, infirmity and death.
Yeah, well I'm sure they'll still be expecting a bed, a respirator and a team of overstretched medical staff to look after them if they fall ill
It's just bloody selfish and inconsiderate! It's not just that they think the rules don't apply to them, they were all whining for England about anyone daring to curtail their day-to-day activities which they seem hell-bent on continuing with, completely unchanged.
https://twitter.com/SECAmbulance/status/1241734037733072896?s=20
OK, so give me a single reason why they should not be just taken out and shot?
Jeez – I’m just over 60 and well aware that I’m never likely to get around to completing my ever-growing ticklist 🙂
Although you’ve had a good shot at getting 60 ticks
I'll give you one, shooting is too quick.
ticklist
Although you’ve had a good shot at getting 60 ticks
Fair. Still to beat my record of 24.
ha, thats easy....ive got a pic somewhere of 29 ticks collected in a very sensitive area after a weekends bivvying in Galloway hills back in 1996, extremely hot weekend and sleeping pretty much naked in heather was/is a pretty stoopid thing to do.
Yeah, saw this on the local news over the weekend. They had taken a power drill to all the tyres. Also some arsonists came back to finish the job they'd started a month or so back at a local beauty spot. Beyond belief.OK, so give me a single reason why they should not be just taken out and shot?
Too much simplistic 'this can all be fixed if we get rid of foreigners/benefits claimants/whatever delete as appropriate ' shit from tabloid comics.
"It can't happen here."
"We are special, or we were until all these foreigners were let in."
Etc.
It's called entitlement and it is not just millennials that exhibit it.
OK, so give me a single reason why they should not be just taken out and shot?
I haven't got one. Do it live on TV and Facebook pour decourager les autres.
In other scumbag news, one industry that doesn't seem to be struggling is fly tipping. The bastards know they won't get caught, even more than usual.
They had taken a power drill to all the tyres.
I’d like to say “unbelievable”, but it’s entirely believable. I suppose the military have to be readied and prepared to secure public services like this before the government can move us to the next stage. In the meantime, we need to spread the message ourselves…
STAY AT HOME
And grow your hair if need be.
https://twitter.com/chiodoaccord/status/1241780334846509059?s=21
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If you think that what we’re experiencing now is the “fault” or “responsibility” of Chinese people, then you’re not paying sufficient attention to the science. While SARS-COVID 19 probably originated in bats, there’s no conformation of the transmission vector, it could have been a domestic cat; for instance. If you can’t understand that, i’ll spell it out very clearly: The “wet-market, eeeuuuww they eat bats!?” crap that you’re hearing, is a non story. There are bats with this virus on every continent, and there are domestic cats that hunt them…on every continent. This could’ve happened literally anywhere barring Antarctica.
I can’t believe that in a time of a global pandemic that threatens everyone, people even now can’t stop themselves with this sort of unhelpful shit
After the SARS virus hit, papers were published specifically regarding the specific high likelihood of other viruses originating from Chinese markets.
https://journals.lww.com/co-infectiousdiseases/Abstract/2006/10000/Infectious_diseases_emerging_from_Chinese.2.aspx
https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660
You would think that after an outbreak of SARS/H5N1 etc associated with those markets/farming the state would have banned the practices. But no. Eating weird shit seems to be the de rigour for many. Even with the controlled society. Hope this isn't racist. More of a stab at the government, in the same way having a go at israels governments treatment of Palestinians isn't anti semitic.
Our local heroes have started their nonsense. The ‘Covid19 Action Group’ have set up a hand washing station outside the village shop (commendable) and are now congregated around it berating anyone who tries to enter the shop without using it (not so commendable). They have hijacked all the trolleys to stop people buying too much stuff, so the elderly who can’t manage a basket and need a little trolley are ****ed. And they’ve started blocking lay-bys to stop campervans parking (which I get) but apparently forgetting that lorry drivers working their arses off trying to get goods to shops still need to pull in for their breaks.
A solo jig is fine as long as you keep a sensible distance from the musician
No, means, no - you start free styling then suddenly everyones down the beach on a pandemic weekend. It's a slippery slope.
Has Ming's rage subsided yet?
Mings rage never subsides, for it is merciless
Hence the name
Unconfirmed, so apologies if this turns out to be baseless rumour… but that horrible Italian field hospital I posted yesterday is fresh in my mind still…
https://twitter.com/bbchughpym/status/1242118642030055425?s=21
Ming being merciless is just a policy decision. He can still be angry on top of that, or calm down a bit and dispense evil with a smooth and pleasant demeanor.