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[Closed] When is a photocopy not a photocopy?

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It's really taken sombody all this time to notice that photocopiers distort characters, especially at small sizes, causing certain figures and letters to look like different ones?
I was aware of that thirty years ago... ๐Ÿ™„


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 10:39 am
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It's more than distortion, it seems that it's actually doing OCR on the image and then reconstituting it.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 10:55 am
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It's more than distortion, it seems that it's actually doing OCR on the image and then reconstituting it.

They're all scanners and printers now, with a processor in between, hence data gets corrupted in the lossy process between the two ends.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 10:58 am
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[i]When is a photocopy not a photocopy?[/i]

When it's taken on a iBum chair?

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Posted : 07/08/2013 11:00 am
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Welcome to the digital world.

The only people surprised by this are really failing to understand exactly what is going on inside a scanner- it's not OCR'ing and then magically substituting characters, it's simply a compression artefact.

Granted it's rather an unfortunate one- one that should probably be avoided by Xerox choosing an appropriate amount of compression in the software!


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 11:12 am
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Numbers were randomly being altered, with 6 and 8 proving especially susceptible.

That's not randomly then is it.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 11:27 am
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Welcome to the digital world.

The only people surprised by this are really failing to understand exactly what is going on inside a scanner- it's not OCR'ing and then magically substituting characters, it's simply a compression artefact.

Granted it's rather an unfortunate one- one that should probably be avoided by Xerox choosing an appropriate amount of compression in the software!

It's a strange artifact though, I reckon they are doing pattern matching, the scanner effectively learning the font as it goes through the document, replacing subsequent uses of the same(!) letters with just a pointer back to the first instance.

So in a way, it's closer to deduping rather than a traditional lossy compression algorithm like JPG. Very clever, but obviously needs more tuning!


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 11:34 am
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The only people surprised by this are really failing to understand exactly what is going on inside a scanner- it's not OCR'ing and then magically substituting characters, it's simply a compression artefact.

No that's not right, the compression format involved actually does OCR to find characters, so if the OCR has an error between similar characters like 6 and 8, then a completely wrong character gets put in. It is a symbol based compression format. Nothing like what is traditionally thought of as a compression artifact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBIG2


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 11:38 am
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Why it is worse than blurred figures and traditional compression artefacts is that an error is not obviously blurred and hard to read, it comes out as a perfectly rendered but wrong symbol.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 11:42 am
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Yup, see the 3rd line - that's not a blurry 6, that's an 8. That's not a traditional compression artifact, it's an OCR error.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 12:21 pm
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No good for photocopying bank notes then...


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 12:26 pm
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I've never had much luck with my fake ยฃ6 notes anyway...


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 12:29 pm
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My god, what if someone photocopies an Excel spreadsheet......!

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Posted : 07/08/2013 12:39 pm
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My god, what if someone photocopies an Excel spreadsheet......!

Don't be silly, you can never get the laptop screen to sit flat enough on the copier.


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 2:30 pm
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I've never had much luck with my fake ยฃ6 notes anyway...

you'd do better to copy them into ยฃ8 notes ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 07/08/2013 2:37 pm