[Closed] What would you rather have - more money or better quality of life?

I'm sure you can both, or neither.

Everyone whose primary motivation is to start a thread in relation to anything scotlandish should be deported there. Immediately.

Surely the two go together?

But those who want a better quality of life will learn two things (IMHO).

1/ A Scottish government, will over time, seem very much like any other government is by the general population.
2/ Oil money does not last forever and the promised better quality of life somewhat depends on it.

Surely the two go together?

What a horrible thought. Never met a poor person who was happy, or a rich person who was miserable?

Seems absolutely bang on to me.

Seem a bit simple to me.

I take it you dislike people who are materialist.
You vote Yes.
Tell me if it is possible that you are biased.

Quality of life for me ,hands down

Sounds more like a half-witted observation by someone trying to feel superior about voting yes to me... Is your boss Alex Salmond?

I take it you dislike people who are materialist.

Tell me if it is possible that you are biased.

Biased against what exactly?

Voting in what?
Surely not [b]another [/b] Scotland thread??

Everyone whose primary motivation is money is voting no.

Everyone whose primary motivation is quality of life is voting yes.

Seems absolutely bang on to me.

Complete and utter sh*te!!
Stick to starting threads about how a Londoner should not lead Better Together. More your style.

I gave up a very well paid but stressful job to run a business I love and have a good family life. I'm voting yes.

But I know a minister, probably the least selfish person I've ever met and a very good man, who is voting No.

So no, I don't think there's any connection.

Like everything Bencooper there are shades of grey, but I think there is a definite link. Add in risk averse and short- sightedness to the motivated by money and we're probably getting more accurate.

Since retiring I am time rich, money poor and all the healthier, happier and enjoying life a whole lot more 😉

Nope, he's not risk-adverse or short sighted either. Neither are the few other No voters I know.

We might be on opposite sides on this, but it does no-one any favours to make generalisations. Better to understand that, while we might not agree with them, no voters do sometimes have valid reasons for voting the way they do, just as we do.

Nope, he's not risk-adverse or short sighted either. Neither are the few other No voters I know.

I wish I was meeting the same No voters that you are.

Wot Ben said.

OP looks like bias horse crap. Tbh.

All the no voters I know are none of those things, me included.
Good try though.

Problem is the two are inextricably linked, whether you like it or not.

After a certain point, I do find that people with excessive amounts of money are often maladjusted and paranoid.

This is a product of judging yourself solely on how much dosh you've got and isolating yourself by moving in circles that only rich people are allowed in, thus reinforcing the entitlement/nervousness.

Nowt as queer as folk.

Personally I like to have enough to buy bits and pieces for my bike, not have to worry about paying bills too much and have a holiday with the wife and kids each year. Anything on top of this is a bonus, but I'm not going to cripple myself working to obtain it because why have more money when you haven't got the time or energy to enjoy it?

I think the OP needs to add . 'Born in London'

Can I have money for, say, 3 years then go back to quality of life?

Is this a vote?

Seem a bit simple to me.

+1

Bencooper - way back at the beginning of one of the other threads you said you and your family were seriously considering moving to somewhere in Scandinavia if there was a No vote. Do you still feel the same way?

I'll probably head to Australia if it turns out that way.

Tell me if it is possible that you are biased.
Biased against what exactly?

So this:

Nope, he's not risk-adverse or short sighted either. Neither are the few other No voters I know.
I wish I was meeting the same No voters that you are.

Shows no prejudice at all.

Bencooper - way back at the beginning of one of the other threads you said you and your family were seriously considering moving to somewhere in Scandinavia if there was a No vote. Do you still feel the same way?

We've got some land in Maine, might do that.

No, probably not. Got a decent business and a decent life here. If there's a No vote, will heave a deep sigh, shake my head, and start planning for the next referendum.

Problem is the two are inextricably linked, whether you like it or not.

Once you control for starving to death, freezing your bollocks off or living under an authoritarian dictatorship, then it's not entirely clear. It's certainly correlated with living in the developing world.

However, Costa Ricans for example are happier than Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction_with_Life_Index

I'll probably head to Australia if it turns out that way.

Thats a long way to go to live in a country who's people are dragged into illegal wars. 😉

I saw this first hand. Was in Hobart at the time when protests were happening in 2003.

It's a long way to go, but the quality of life is much higher than it is here at present.

Meh, you'd be surrounded by Aussie accents though. It'd be like living in a ****ing nightmare. "GDAYYY MAATE!". ARGHHHH. My friend went off and lived there and came back with a full Aussie accent, we were in mourning for weeks.

There are two types of people in this world. Those who speak the truth and those who speak in dichotomies.

Well the risk is that yes will lead to less money for everyone so it's a good job if the yes voters aren't worried about money!

We've been in the position where we had loads of cash, but no time - so bought extra holiday back from work

The Mrs now no longer has a paid job, and is time rich (relatively) - I work a longish day. I'd prefer more time, but need to make sure we can maintain a reasonable standard of living.

Overall I would prefer a better quality of life - but need the cash to support the goals that we have.

I'd say it's a balance

Hate the referendum - it's brought out some ugly stuff in people, just want the thing done now

Out of interest. How will Scotland being Independent lead to a better quality of life?

Well the risk is that no will lead to less money for everyone so it's a good job if the no voters aren't worried about money!

Runs both ways that one

Out of interest. How will Scotland being Independent lead to a better quality of life?

People might think that they have more control over their lives. Fairly basic tenant of psychology.

People might think that they have more control over their lives. Fairly basic tenant of psychology.

I get that as a point of principle but surely if having more control means having significantly lower wealth - to the point of difficulty/discomfort, then the feeling of quality of life is negatively impacted, no?

ie: the principle is likely to only be true to a point and depending on other variables?

I get that as a point of principle but surely if having more control means having significantly lower wealth - to the point of difficulty/discomfort, then the feeling of quality of life is negatively impacted, no?

ie: the principle is likely to only be true to a point and depending on other variables?

Yes, like everything in life, happiness will depend on a balance of variables that is different for every individual.

I think many of the yes voters do not believe they will see a big drop in standards of living, so the idea of having a government that they feel more directly represents them will be massively appealing.

Wan - come and live in Cumbria - the quality of life is great and its way closer than Australia with similar weather to Scotland so you wouldn't feel homesick!

And most of us don't like Cameron either so plenty of common ground 🙂

AD - I lived on the other side of the Solway Firth for a great many years. Quality of life is pretty good, but a change of politics could make it a lot better.

and start planning for the next referendum.

I thought this was a once in a lifetime opportunity?

I thought this was a once in a lifetime opportunity?

Westminster might arrange it so we never get another chance - but if it's a no vote there's still going to be a lot of people unwilling to just forget the independence idea.

They can move to the Isle of Man.

At first I thought this was a troll but I think it might be serious.

I'm in the fortunate position to make enough money to live on, and have a decent quality of life. From my pov a yes outcome puts that at more risk than a no vote, so for me voting no is a no brainer.

I have a lot of friends and some family who are voting yes though. We'll see I guess.