So Mrs Binners arrived home last night very angry and very upset.
She's a fundraiser for the Wildlife Trusts. She's recently managed to secure funding from Tesco (from the 5p charge on their plastic bags - you'd be amazed how much it raises for good causes) to build a wildlife hide, to be used as a little education centre for the local kids, so the rangers can get them interested in their local wildlife.
So they get everything sorted, money in, get it all built, with disabled access etc, and they put a programme in place to get the local kids using it for the rest of the school holidays, so they can be shown the local wildlife, and take an interest in its preservation.
Then, less than 4 days after its all finished, the local scotes do [url= https://twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/760857638997372928 ]this![/url]
FFS!!! I know we should be used to this kind of thing by now. But I don't want to get used to it. I just despair. I can't get my head around it at all. What the **** is wrong with people?!!! Its just so bloody depressing 😥
Saw this on the local news. Agree with the above.
skool holidays innit.
Bored and thick, really.
I don't know what the immediate solution to things like this is, but the long-term solution is exactly what she's doing - get local kids involved and interested, they'll be less likely to do this kind of thing in future.
We do voluntary stuff in our local park, in Glasgow - some of it gets wrecked, so we do it again. Try not to take it personally or get upset, look at it as an Act of God.
It really pisses me off. The wonderful tree carvings and sculptures in Philips Park are slowly being burned or knocked down. Idiots.
Disgusting little scumbags. Your missus must be devastated. 🙁
[quote=bencooper ] look at it as an Act of God.
Which imaginary figure are we blaming for this then?
Make the parents pay up, if the little sods cannot pay themselves and they are known.
They misspelt arseholes in their tweet.
What a load of ****ing shiting cockbag **** arsehole ****ers. I can only imagine the immense frustration.
However, bencooper has the right attitude - it's not personal, shit happens, what can be done next.
I run around Lord Levers estate on the Wirral all the time and the other day I noticed somebody had pushed over one of the Bee hives. All the layers and honey combs where spread all over the floor. What is wrong with people!
surfer - Member
I run around Lord Levers estate on [b][s]the[/s][/b] Wirral all the time and the other day I noticed somebody had pushed over one of the Bee hives. All the layers and honey combs where spread all over the floor. What is wrong with people!
FTFY, as someone who lived in Heswall as a teen and my mum/sister who now live in Bebington. 😉
Really sorry for Mrs Binners upset.
I met a road builder a while ago who was building a motorway in the UK (not going to say where as it may cause some people to mount a high horse)
There were having stuff robbed and machinery vandalised, a youth was caught red handed having set fire to a container full of tools. His quote was "If I can't have it, you can't have it"
I don't know how you combat that mentality.
Dont bother. "The Wirral" is grammatically correct.
Many people appreciate the effort Mrs Binners and others have done. Dont let this stop her from continuing and trying other projects other wise the ****ers have won.
The stupid people will continue to try and bring everyone down to their level and then beat you with it!
I hope they catch whoever did it and made to build a new one
my mum/sister who now live in Bebington.
I'd be more concerned that you mum is your sister.
I don't know how you combat that mentality.
Hitting them in the face with said tool box?
I'd be more concerned that [b]you[/b] mum is your sister.
Now tell me how that is even possible, that the mother of someone can also be their sister by natural means, genius. 😆
It is utter crap. Commiserations to mrs_b and locak kids.
And I cannot get my head around the psychology of it, apart from some of my research into adolescent play. Lots of stuff in there about being hard wired to take risks and 'placemaking' - but the desire to do risk and placemaking is stronger than thier sense of 'positive' ways of doing it. This is made worse by family anf friends who do not teach them how to manage such feelings well, or encourage positive ways of taking risks(mtb anyone?) or placemaking (decorate your own room, choose your own fashion style etc)
I don't know what the immediate solution to things like this is, but the long-term solution is exactly what she's doing - get local kids involved and interested, they'll be less likely to do this kind of thing in future.We do voluntary stuff in our local park, in Glasgow - some of it gets wrecked, so we do it again. Try not to take it personally or get upset,
^This.
We have schools who have similar issue, and you just have to engage more and more community in valuing the place.
I learned from a trip to Sweden many years ago that thier schools, even in 'rough' parts of cities have no fences, and yet have minimal issues of vandalism. The community, even the scrotes, valued the school and nursery for the care and education.
IT seems lacking in the UK at the moment.
I don't know how you combat that mentality.
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There were having stuff robbed and machinery vandalised, a youth was caught red handed having set fire to a container full of tools. His quote was "If I can't have it, you can't have it"I
Sounds a bit like the EU referendum
It's not personal it's ignorance, as above, kids tend to destroy stuff that could benefit them as they don't understand the value. Cos we're a reactionary nation/culture they get taught the value of possessions, money and status and **** all else.
Still shit for your missus though.
Reminds me of the time some yoofs decapitated all the owls in the owl centre outside barrow because they were bored/stoned/dickheads. Just DAFUQ.
What the bloody hell is wrong with some people?!
It's not people that have done it though is it?
It's messed up little kids..
Could be feral kids off the local estate, could be your mate's kids kicking out at the world cos mum and dad are getting divorced or they can't have an iphone, could be Tarquin from down the posh area rebelling cos dad gives his brother more attention.. Could be your own kids simply taking a bit of joy from destroying summink with a big fire
It'll only ever get worse whilst there's self righteous, angry grown men with kid's attitudes failing to show compassion
(not having a dig at you there binners, your angry reaction is understandable)
most skate parks have to be built vandal proof ie all concrete and steel, you'd think the scrotes would "like" having the facility but oh no if it burns! We have a couple of similar hides locally, and I'm quite surprised they've lasted for about 5/6yrs as the scout hut/youth club in the same area lasted about a week!
Ben has the right attitude. Getting upset does nothing. That and not building things from wood if you want them to last - growing up in Norn Iron you learn that at an early age 😆
p.s. Dreddy seems to ave sprouted an extra pinky
It'll only get worse whilst there's self righteous grown men with kid's attitudes failing to show compassion
Compassion? What... like taking the time and effort raising the money to build them something they could, use in the first place, then building it, then putting a programme in place so they can get the most out of it?
That type of thing?
yep
that sort of thing
full marks! 🙂
like I said.. I don't blame you for reacting angrily.. It's natural
But for every person that tries to get their head around it, there's another two queuing up to say throw 'em in the stocks or beat some sense into 'em
kids are revolting.. it's evolution innit!
I'm just amazed at the timescale. 3 ****ing days it was there before they torched it.
She's off into the office to try and sort this out. To try and get some more funding and get it rebuilt. Because she's like that. The kids who were all enrolled over the next few weeks on courses with the rangers will all now have to be informed that there aren't going to be any courses.
Its an absolute insult to her and the rest of the team who have put so much time and effort into this. Not that the people responsible will GAS of course. I doubt they do much sacrificing of time and effort to help others.
Welcome to planet earth 2016.
In a society where it is now socially and politically unacceptable to discipline children are we really surprised when they produce this behaviour?
Its a depressing state of affairs for sure, but its what we are now stuck with.
The courses do not need cancelling - it can run without the hide, surely?
My Uncle moved to Newfoundland, Canada in the early 80s to run the power station on the island in Holyrood. He loved Newfoundland and made it his home. Over the years he became involved in the local community and Rotary Club and was well regarded and well known. After retiring he used to walk his dog Bess everywhere and was a popular chap.
A couple of years ago he had a heart attack whilst shovelling snow and died. In memory of him a stone bench was put up where he used to walk
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This isn't the only bench in the vicinity. It's a fairly solid thing. A few weeks before we visited my Aunt in late June this year someone smashed it up. It wasn't a random attack, apparently it was obvious where the sledgehammer had hit it. It wasn't back in place for our visit so I didn't see it, something I was hoping to do. It will be put back, with a third 'leg' in the middle for strength, but I guess this shows there's ___________* everywhere
*insert expletive of choice
I should add the hides in my local park are prefab affairs. Seems they had similar problems.
It'll only ever get worse whilst there's self righteous, angry grown men with kid's attitudes failing to show compassion
Yup. I blame those bastards ^^^
Now tell me how that is even possible, that the mother of someone can also be their sister by natural means, genius
Without reference to the original poster of the referenced sentence, I imagine if your sister was impregnated by a man who was both her and your father, she would be both your parent and sibling.
What a nightmare, they just don't care.
Get it rebuilt in brick with steel doors. Put a big gate in as well so they can't get at it to graffiti all over it.
Gutted for your Mrs, that's rubbish
I have the little scrotes suffer a long and miserable death very soon
That's,such a shame, feel so sorry for your Mrs.
We've had the same up here. The local woods have a bike trail with a little hut/shelter built by the local trust. The buggers have trashed it. Then further round into the flood plain there's a lovely bird hide been build, far enough out of the town that I thought the neds wouldn't have found it but alas no, covered in graffiti & the Windows smashed in.
No respect for anything. Being bored is no excuse for such destruction.
Your missus is obviously a good egg. If anything this will raise awareness of the project and may help with raising funds. Hope she doesn't give up.
et it rebuilt in brick with steel doors. Put a big gate in as well so they can't get at it to graffiti all over it.
That does not solve the problem - it just costs more (charitable) money, keeps out those who do appreciate it and turns our public spaces in to a physical fortress.
How do you get the kids to care when their parents don't?
I guess so but how many times can it be rebuilt before they give up and stop burning it down? It will probably cost less long term to build in brick or metal.
ifeandy - Member
Welcome to planet earth 2016.
In a society where it is now socially and politically unacceptable to discipline children are we really surprised when they produce this behaviour?
heh! brilliant
yeah, cos in the 70s when we got beaten for every indiscretion, kid's behaviour was impeccable..
that's why there was no need for borstals
And the victorians with their well documented human rights abuses never had any problems from naughty kids either..
And now in the dark, chaotic days of 2016, crime rates have sky rocketed and no kids anywhere ever amount to anything!!
IME litter has got worse since I was young so something has changed over time.
Is there any way of replacing it with a fabric structure that could be erected and dismantled for each course? Massive ball-ache, obviously, but rebuilding it and expecting a different outcome may be a disappointing experience.
Any kind of structure tends to attract feral kids who just want somewhere dry to drink cider and when drunk like to set fire to stuff or smash it up.
mudshark - Member
IME litter has got worse since I was young so something has changed over time.
Council cleansing budgets*
*semi-troll
More MaccyD and fast food around, so more litter.
Just think. If we could merge Yunki and Fifeandy, we'd have a fairly sensible outlook. 8)
IME litter has got worse since I was young so something has changed over time.
Kids just think they are untouchable nowadays, in the 'good-old-days' they would be scared of their parents finding out, as in "wait 'til your father gets home"
When I lived in Eccles the local free paper did a headline about a thrush nesting in a set of traffic lights. I remember writing to them saying what were you thinking, putting that in the public realm. Next week's paper had the headline you'd expect, nest destroyed. Then there were the youths arrested for throwing stones at cars from the bridge over the M602. On hitting the car windscreen and half destroying the face of a woman it all went to court where the youths apparently gave the explanation that they felt if they couldn't have a car, then why should others.
I despair.
I have the little scrotes suffer a long and miserable death very soon
Nice proportionate response
IME litter has got worse since I was young so something has changed over time.
The size of the population mainly. About 9-10 million increase since 1970.
Nice proportionate response
Alternatively you could give them a hug? 😕
People vandalise flood defences constructed to protect their own properties. We had to replace several thousand pounds worth of optical level sensors recently. Someone had scaled a wall and climbed onto a gantry to hold a lighter under all the sensors. Can't really see what pleasure they get out of that.
Happens weekly, pumping stations smashed up, oil poured into rivers, thankfully some of the metal thefts have dropped off now the price of scrap has dropped.
Sad isn't it, what a great project from Mrs Binners, guess all you can do is replace it?
Alternatively you could give them a hug?
Thats right because there nothing between death or a hug!
A tickle?
Binners, I know it would only be a drop in the ocean but if there's a fundraising page or any other way to donate towards the hide and help Mrs B get this back up and running I'd gladly donate.
Every little helps n all that.
It's not people that have done it though is it?
It's messed up little kids..Could be feral kids off the local estate, could be your mate's kids kicking out at the world cos mum and dad are getting divorced or they can't have an iphone, could be Tarquin from down the posh area rebelling cos dad gives his brother more attention.. Could be your own kids simply taking a bit of joy from destroying summink with a big fire
It'll only ever get worse whilst there's self righteous, angry grown men with kid's attitudes failing to show compassion
(not having a dig at you there binners, your angry reaction is understandable)
This.
our kids are a product of the society we create.
That could mean anything including that we're not tough enough on them.
Parents both increasingly forced to work to pay the crazy mortgages and rents we have to pay these days compared to our folks in the 70s/80s, kids spending more time unsupervised. They get away with more minor stuff due to lack of supervision and push the boundaries of what they get up to.
We should just stop making kids, these problems and many others would sort themselves out after a while.
...kids spending more time unsupervised.
Not just unsupervised but they are being 'brought up' by their peers more than their parents.
In a different, but similarly stupid set of circumstances, the debt-relief charity MissStripes worked for and which I raised money for have been hacked and all personal data stolen. Damn low.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-36939284
They stole the old cats that were unsuitable for rehoming due to being mistreated and abused, cut their legs off while they were alive and used them for target practise, I sincerely hope they meet the same fate or worse.
Can't really see what pleasure they get out of that.
If I was in charge I would have a sterilization program ready for people that do stuff like this.
It's the only way forward for the human race, I've already seen reports that we are devolving...
They stole the old cats that were unsuitable for rehoming due to being mistreated and abused, cut their legs off while they were alive and used them for target practise, I sincerely hope they meet the same fate or worse.
Jeez....I was thinking I was a bit wild when a teenager, but those ****ers are just sick in the head!
Not just unsupervised but they are being 'brought up' by [s]their peers[/s] Pokemon more than their parents.
FTFY
[quote=n0b0dy0ftheg0at ]Parents both increasingly forced to work to pay the crazy mortgages and rents we have to pay these days compared to our folks in the 70s/80s, kids spending more time unsupervised. They get away with more minor stuff due to lack of supervision and push the boundaries of what they get up to.
funny that, because I regularly see crappy facebook posts about how in the 70's & 80's people left the house in the morning and didn't return til dark and roamed the streets free to do whatever they wanted.
cant have it both ways.
bored kids have always done stupid things.
Bored adults do as well.
Just check out this place 🙂
I blame it on Wagon Wheels and Curly Wurly's getting smaller. You can't reduce the size of such staples of childhood and not expect serious repercussions
In better news, there have been pledges of funding this morning, due to the media coverage so the hide is going to be rebuilt. I don't know out of what. Shrapnel, broken glass and the splintered bones of young offenders probably
Disguise it as a library. It's like kryptonite to them.
bored kids have always done stupid things.
^^ this. It doesn't make it any better, but let's not go down the broken Britain route.
Sorry, have i may have missed it, but how we know it was "Kids"?
Muslamic terrorists?
Juiced up pro cyclists?
Momentum revenge for Binners posts on politics threads?
The silent majority finally breaking cover?
Ducks angry at their privacy being invaded?
to the op - i find stories like this dismaying and less and less isolated. i share your wife and your anger.
I'm learned respect for the outdoors from my dad. even talking to many people around age, (I'm 42), a basic understand of nature/wild life/the local countryside may as well be written in hieroglyphics. as for the younger generation, i can only guess its even more abstract.
the sad reality is that we are surrounded by many stupid folk. saying that always makes me feel horrible but its true - simple stuff like closing a gate behind you or taking your litter home is just a step too far, never mind generally respecting whatever you find out there... just because you could wreck something doesn't mean its actually a good idea.
i studied sculpture at art school and won a scholarship to german in the late 90s. i was amazed a how much you could get away with, in regards to public art. fragile or dangerous works were left alone as people simple knew to not go near. meanwhile returning back to scotland, the christmas tree at the foot of leith walk only have lights on the top quarter of the tree because folk steal or smash the bulbs. one of these small things that stick in my mind.
i sound like my dad now, no wonder i hide out in the country...
That could mean anything including that we're not tough enough on them.
Yep, probably wouldn't happen in North Korea or Norway for different reasons though.
Sorry, have i may have missed it, but how we know it was "Kids"?
Good point. It might well have been those two women from accounts on their way back from Greggs at lunchtime. They've always looked shifty, those two.
i share your wife and your anger.
Empathy can go too far...
. i share your wife
Steady on there!
(Great minds...!)
ho ho! thats not what i meant - honest!
Vandalism seems irrational and annoys us grown ups. That's why it has been around since teenagers were invented in the 50's. It only takes a few bad uns to give the impression that there's something wrong with "kids today". I would go so far as to say that a certain level of anti-social behaviour and petty crime amongst the yoof is a necessary component of a healthy society.
Thats a very JG Ballard way of looking at things
It's the only way forward for the human race, I've already seen reports that we are devolving..
No such thing as devolving.