Jamie, I'm doing a sort of smirky-half smile at you.
I'm in a mood today, can't figure out why.
I do need to eat at least every 2 hours.
I can just feel the life drain out of me and my eyes turn red.
I used to be similar. It can be changed. The reason you feel like that is down to various hormones afaik.
Haven't touched the banana so far.........
Personal experience has shown me that an apple in the morning and a banana in the afternoon doesn't make me fat, it's what I pile on the plate at breakfast lunch and dinner. YMMV.
FWIW boiled eggs, 2 off, keep me fine till 13:00 I do usually have a slice of wholemeal toast though with it, just doesn't seem right without.
So. You get up every 2 hours in the middle of the night to eat? It's sort of a bit pathetic to think that you "need" to eat every 2 hours.
If it's not harming anybody, what's it to you?
If it's not harming anybody, what's it to you?
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Molgrips ,tell more. Did you get better on your own or help from the docs?
According to my doctor " im just one of those people."
Lol Jamie, that did get my tentacles out....just annoys me the number of people on here who judge people for their eating habits, that whole attaching morals to food thing.
"Good" equals eating less, counting calories, depriving self, being hungry means you are self controlled, have willpower etc.
"Bad" equals responding to your body's hunger instead of mastering it with your mind, people who eat when they feel like eating are lazy, undisciplined, and have no self control, can't put up with a bit of discomfort, etc.
I realise that most people who have this mindset won't change it, but it is exactly that mindset that drives people to eating disorders and a poor relationship with food and their bodies.
A recent IBD diagnosis has made me change the food I eat for the better. No bread of any shape or form and nothing cooked in fat. Try not to have any refined sugar.
Boiled eggs or gluten free porridge for breakfast.
Home made chicken salad or mackeral/other fish for lunch or baked potato & tuna.
Supper usually involves poultry and mashed potatoes or wholegrain rice.
Lots and lots of streamed veg.
Kale,Spinach & lemon smoothies (sounds rank but isn't bad).
Seeds, berries and nuts to graze on.
Homemade Paleo recipe muffins and flapfack for snacking.
Sounds like cack but its not bad at all.
the number of people on here who judge people for their eating habits, that whole attaching morals to food thing.
This, lots, and lots, and lots, and lots.
Food should just be food, tasty stuff you eat to stay alive, not the root of all evil.
For that we already have money.
core - Member
Started as I mean to go on last night, in the gym.Lasagne for dinner.
No breakfast this morning (wasn't hungry), so a glass of milk only.
Lunch consists of tuna, boiled eggs, cucumber, lettuce, green pepper, small amount of balsamic.
Have got a banana in case I get hungry.
We'll see how it goes...........
Lasagne with all that pasta isn't great
If there is any meal not to skip its breakfast
Avoid milk if you can
Lay off the bananas unless its during or immediately after exercise
You could make life a lot easier for yourself eating he things that will help you lose fat
Molgrips ,tell more. Did you get better on your own or help from the docs?
Well I wouldn't call it 'getting better', just an adjustment of how my body fuels itself. As I understand it, some people have more of a tendency to fuel themselves with stored glycogen(carbs) rather than fat. So you do light exercise or even nothing, you use up your stores and then this is a trigger for hunger, so you want more high GI things, this releases insulin which in turn inhibits fat burning so you burn carbs and it continues.
It may help to work on your fat burning. I iDieted and also used the 45 minute rule. Don't have anything high GI (or preferably anything at all) for as long as possible before a ride - so for example ride without breakfast ideally or ride after work without having had anything since lunchtime - and don't have any carbs until 45 mins of your ride has elapsed. This gets your fat burning pathway going, apparently.
I noticed a dramatic change with both of these things, and also base training. Aged 25 or so I used to be on my knees with hunger in the morning, and I'd clock-watch for 12 to come around so I could go and eat. Now I forget entirely and have to rush out at 2.30pm otherwise the shops have sold all the lunch stuff.
Myfitnesspal app is great for making you think about actually what you eat, whilst I wouldn't take the calorie counts as gospel (especially for cv activities) it at least gives you a bench mark to aim for, if the weight loss isn't working then increase the calorie deficit further. I find if I keep a decent record of my training then the food part follows suit, You'll know if the engine needs more fuel, if you're recording it then its a prompt not to feed it rubbish. And like MikeWW said above, don't skip breakfast - Your body hasn't eaten since teatime the previous day, don't make it wait any longer...
Rice, and spaghetti would be the best choice, a bit of chicken won't heart as well.
If there is any meal not to skip its breakfast
Skip whatever meal you feel like.
Don't believe the breakfast-is-the-most-important-meal hype. It's just another mealtime. So what if you haven't eaten since the day before? If you feel fine without it, crack on.
Homemade Paleo recipe muffins and flapfack for snacking.
Assuming that's flapjack, how do you make that without refined sugar?
Would be interested in a recipe.
Homemade Paleo recipe muffins and flapfack for snacking.
My advice would be not to try and simulate the crap. Just find recipes that work without the crap.
Don't search for sweet options, just wean yourself off sweet stuff. Don't ask 'what can I eat for desert?' just don't eat desert.
Wasn't looking for desert, don't really eat it myself. But might be an interesting food option for long days out.
On the bike?
You can and probably should be eating carbs on the bike. Just not for the first 45 mins 🙂
mrmonkfinger - Member
If there is any meal not to skip its breakfast
Skip whatever meal you feel like.Don't believe the breakfast-is-the-most-important-meal hype. It's just another mealtime. So what if you haven't eaten since the day before? If you feel fine without it, crack on.
Really? Based on anything or did you just make it up?
Anything you eat, even low GI food, stimulates insulin production. Insulin inhibits fat burning and encourages your body to use glycogen stores aka 'burning carbs'.
When you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours your insulin levels are stable and low so you should be burning fat nicely. If you eat breakfast then the insulin spike can make you hungry later. If you don't eat breakfast, you can often go on for quite a while without it - burning fat all the while.
My sister doesn't eat breakfast for this reason, and I've noticed the same effect myself. And lots of other people have said this too.
My sister doesn't eat breakfast for this reason, and I've noticed the same effect myself. And lots of other people have said this too.
Interesting that.
May I counter?
My brother has never eaten breakfast for his entire life and has always been overweight.
About three years ago he started eating breakfast and hasn't changed his lifestyle in any other way - still drinks loads, still eats curries etc.
He is now bordering on skinny.
Interestingly, he also stopped smoking around the same time he started eating breakfast and that is meant to make you put weight on as your appetite increases.
Go figure as they say.
I'm sorry everyone, but I feel the urge to agree with molgrips. Maybe I'm a bit hungry...
The whole 'don't miss meals' thing is intricately linked with societal expectations regarding food, and the 'don't miss breakfast' thing is another example.
What if you work at night? When is 'breakfast'? Why eat if you aren't hungry?
We have managed to separate the idea of eating from the need to eat, and consequently eat when we aren't hungry, eat too much and so on.
He is now bordering on skinny.
I must say that is rather surprising, no idea what could be going on there. It has always been said that statistically people who don't eat breakfast have more incidence of being overweight than those who do, but that's a correlation rather than a causation, I think.
It may well be that usually people who don't eat breakfast aren't hungry til lunch, but then overcompensate the rest of the day once they've started eating. Perhaps this is what your brother experienced?
However, my point about breakfast was that it can start you feeling hungry mid morning if you eat it, where you might not be hungry if you don't. What happens after that is another thing 🙂
I really have no idea why it has happened and neither does he - he does cook for himself now (used to live with our mum until she died) but he eats [b]very[/b] well (single, owns his own house etc) so he often gets fillet steaks, fancy meal deals etc and really enjoys food - and *NEVER* misses an opportunity to go for a curry.
Curries arne't necessarily bad either.
Skip the gluten (grains/flour) and up your protein and fat (nuts, avacodo, meat)
Higher fat diets have been shown to provide more meaningfull weight loss results - as long as you stay off the carb rich grains
Paleo makes a good deal of sense, but don't go the cult paleo route...
concepts from atkins (low GI), paleo (hunter gatherer) and gluten free should be effective as the fats should help curb your hunger cravings.
I'm no expert, and I recognise that each individual has to find a healthy eating plan that works for them.. one that doesn't fit you, wont stick and you'll ultimately fail.
I'm still battling the sugar cravings but feeling much better inside right now having drastically reduced bread/pasta/flour.
Curries arne't necessarily bad either.
No, really?
Miss out the rice or naan and have pakora and popadoms instead and its very idiet friendly. So was my lunch today. Working on site so last night I made some falafels and tamarind dip. Fantastic and quick.
Really? Based on anything or did you just make it up?
The thing is, the advice to eat breakfast sort of originated with cereal/grain farmers associations (well, chicken/dairy farmers as well, "go to work on an egg" etc) - about as vested an interest as you can get.
Mind you, I don't disagree with eating breakfast - personally, I find it essential for concentration and generally feeling normal up until meal number two which comes three hours later. But, that's coming from a mental perspective rather than physical. Also, I wake up hungry and the first thing I really want to do is eat - other people don't.
There aren't, to the best of my knowledge, any studies that conclusively prove the act of having some of your daily calories within an hour of getting up makes any difference to body weight/fat. Sure, its a correlation to people who are lighter/thinner, but not a causative thing. As molgrips said.
OTOH plenty studies that show kids are, in the morning, better behaved, concentrate better, etc. etc. when they have eaten breakfast.
Eat breakfast if you like. Just don't kid yourself it makes a blind bit of difference to weight.
I used to be almost crippled with hunger first thing in the morning when I was 18 or so. Now I don't mind either way. What made the most difference was being at uni and having to roll out of bed and onto the bus in 5 mins... My body just adapted.
From what I've read: the paleo approach to breakfast is to either have something protein-rich within 30 minutes of waking, or skip it altogether.
The modern approach is to have something carby and sugary and covered in milk, with more sugar sprinkled on top. Then feel hungry again a couple of hours later. And get fat.
A good reason for breakfast is if you are unlikely to get an opportunity to eat well between then and lunch, and if you can't keep a lid on the impulse to eat something,anything.
Count myself in this camp, and a couple of eggs dampens this right down so on the whole I eat less and better for that period than if I skip it.
I usually skip it if cycling in though and eat when I get in (else I'm in no fit state for 25Km/300m climbing home come 17:00)
Part of the iD*** thing (and in the 4HourBody book too) was training yourself to 'run' on fat.
When I was doing it, I did long rides with no breakfast (other than black coffee), then just water to drink for the first hour of the ride, before switching to diluted (50:50) apple juice with a small amount of carbs eaten hourly (I had a mini pork pie). This seemed to work really well for me.
Modern breakfasts suck.
Eggs are good (don't believe the cholesterol hype).
Equally, a chicken salad works very well but most folk are socially conditioned away from eating "a normal meal" at breakfast time.
training yourself to 'run' on fat
wouldn't doing long endurance cardio at any time of day achieve this?
this only really affects what you burn during exercise, fat is already the fuel source when you're just sitting around in an office.
wouldn't doing long endurance cardio at any time of day achieve this?
IANASS* but I think, once you stick sugar into your body you switch to burning that? Something about raising the threshold at which you need sugars too.
*I Am Not A Sports Scientist
^ granted, I guess you sort of force the issue by going first thing in the morning, when not much sugar is available
It takes a while to get your body to adapt to fat burning and personally I find the ketogenic approach a bit extreme but still experimenting with fasted exercise.
I do think it makes sense to try and balance (within reason) your carb intake and sugar levels.
For me breakfast would be bacon and eggs (or similar) or alternatively porridge/skimmed milk and berries.(better to vary things than just eat the same each day)
TBH I have been amazed how easy it is to lose body fat and get into shape with a bit of nutritional understanding and discipline.
I appreciate a lot of people have weight / health problems due to overeating, or just want to lose weight to aid fitness (especially as cyclists), but it's scary (to me) how many people on these threads obsess about everything they put in their mouths.
Maybe I'm just lucky with regards to my metabolism, but I've always eaten what I've liked, never deprived myself of anything. Since the age of 18 (now 48) my weight has stayed between 10.5 - 11.5 stone and I've always worn 32" waist trousers. I've always been active - always walked to school and work, always take stairs rather then the lift etc, and though I eat a lot of crap ( curries and cake in particular, not together !) I have no problem with feeling hungry, I often do, and rarely snack at work.
As I say, maybe I'm lucky, but a bit of common sense with regard to not eating TOO much lard and being active every day seems a more sensible alternative to the food obsessions portrayed here, and a damn sight more enjoyable too! 🙂
Maybe I'm just lucky with regards to my metabolism, but I've always eaten what I've liked, never deprived myself of anything.
Nail, head.
But guess what? Other folk aren't so lucky.
