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Yeah, I'd much rather have Gordon Brown in charge, he's down wit da yoof and knows all about Wayne Rooney's ankle.
And Cameron will do what? Come on, tell me, I'd love to know just how CMD and his Chums are going to magically transform this country (which of course is on it's last legs all because of Labour), and create some sort of wonderful Utopia where we can all afford private healthcare and employ foreign domestic staff...
Get real. They'd just **** things up even more.
haven't we already done the public school bit ? keep up at the back.
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Duckman - wtf are you on about? - for the umpteenth time I am not labour supporter - they are not green enough and too authoritarian. They also like most governments it seems lost their way after ten years or so in power.
duckman - Member
TJ;For a man who likes to make a little dig at Christians...
That's all TJ24 does mate - dig,dig,dig 🙄
rarely expresses what [i]he[/i] stands for but quick to criticise anyone else's view point with stream of polemic, usually ends with a few 'WTFs' & calling you stupid/childish....
You mean being stupid and childish just like that Hilldodger? I know I should be flattered that you find me so fascinating that you follow my every word but your childish digs are tiresome to say the least.
If you want to have a go at me at least try to make it adult and interesting instead of childish and dull.
Dig dig dig - what on earth are you doing with every post I make? Its pathetic. do you really have such a dull and unfulfilled life that this makes you feel better?
£700,000,000,000 debt and counting.
I'm with Hora. If you can't afford it don't buy it as my grandma used to say.
Borrowing more will not reduce the debt. They'll probably set up another multi million pound committee to assess if it is successful or not though anyway.
I can't see anyone doing any better to be honest as they all do what they think makes them popular rather than what is needed. It's a case of picking the least worst party to vote for this time. I'd like a "None of the above" box so no-one gets in :O)
What's the relative military success rate of the two parties?
What's the relative military success rate of the two parties?
Neither of them tends to say no to war
TJ; You have stated you are a liberal,I never said you were a labour supporter (so neither fish nor fowl.)You recently posted your wee thread about the tory chairman being a nom-dom.Your answer to every counter argument about all the rest stinking was "yes but what about the Tories,more to this..etc" Yup,that one has run and run.
Here you go,I am a third generation plasterer,you stated earlier that class influences thinking.I am voting Tory as the local guy will do more for my community,does that make me a class traitor if you take my roots into account? EVERYBODY votes for who suits/helps them and only a fool takes the education of the candidate into account.Best of luck on the 7th TJ,Don't think you will like the papers.
Time for a change, yeah not much diference between the big two but really can they do worse. ??? This lot have lied, took us to two wars and lined themselves all sorts ofjobs and intersets as result of it, Blair made a job for himself in the ME and will make millions out of the oil deal with the Chinese company he is linked to in Iraq.
As a Nation we have to have something to look forward to and this Labour lot dont offer me that.
Duckman - I have never said any of that. Really - there is plenty to debate without making stuff up.
I have attacked to tories yes - but NEVER as a way of distracting from what Labour have done. I simply don't do that at all. I will happily condemn labour when they gat it wrong and have done so many times.
Why don't you think I will like the papers? You clearly have no idea what I am expecting or hoping for.
Time for a change, yeah not much diference between the big two but really can they do worse. ??? This lot have lied, took us to two wars and lined themselves all sorts ofjobs and intersets as result of it, Blair made a job for himself in the ME and will make millions out of the oil deal with the Chinese company he is linked to in Iraq.As a Nation we have to have something to look forward to and this Labour lot dont offer me that.
Utterly brilliant. You should work in politics.
Labour deserve a boot in the bollox for the wars, for their enthusiasm for tory economics, but I will never, f***ing ever welcome a tory government.
The alleged corruption?, really?, its small fry compared with what the rich, powerful and their friends in the Conservatives get away with, (but are always too savvy to get caught).
Two things that this government have done well are-1) The minimum wage; In 1997 I was earning £2.80 p/h cleaning hotels with a make-it-up-as-they-go-along contract. I never want to go back to that situation.
2)The Scottish parliament, despite the fuss over the building, the parliament has made a big difference to Scotland (as evidenced by the whinging in some quarters) and it'll provide a useful buffer should the worst happen next month.
El Bent -- Cheers i would blend in well with the ****wits running the country at the moment, for one i dont spend money i dont have and two i pride myself on my honesty, reliability and integrity, Oh maybe i would not blend in after all.
Good for you. Your spin however is perfect for politics. 😉
And Incidently all Governments spend money they don't have.
but I will never, f***ing ever welcome a tory government.
Too 'king right.
Me vote Tory? To quote the Reverend Ian Paisley: Never! Never! Never!
I'm gonna vote Labour... (hides)
Or Lib Dems...
**** it, Greenpeace here we go...
My pal in Sydney voted for the Sex Party...
TJ; You do not want Cameron etc to get in.They will,hence the papers comment.
Actually I am reasonably relaxed about that prospect - he has no chance of a big majority and its doubtful the tories will be even the biggest party. Without a big majority they will tear themselves apart over the EC very quickly and there is a good chance a tory westminster will lead to an independent Scotland as Cameron will have no mandate up here.
A big majority would have been terrifying but there is no chance of that at all any more.
I haven't read this thread apart for the OP, but no major reform which has benefited the lives of ordinary people in the last 100 years, has come from a Tory government. They have all come from Labour governments.
And before that it was Liberal governments...... for example, members of the Miners' Federation of Great Britain (which became the NUM in 1945) stood as Liberal Party candidates.
As far as this general election is concerned, I believe that a New Labour victory will represent nothing more than an exercise in resuscitating a corpse.
I have in the past, tireless worked for Labour victories (until 1995). But I have only ever supported the Labour Party like a rope supports a hanging man. It is time now to cut down the festering corpse and bury it.
Tragically deep down inside, I cannot bear the thought of the Tory Party defeating even a [i]'New Labour'[/i] government - the consequences for ordinary people will be devastating. It has to be done however. And British politics must move forward.
Much as I want to see an independent Scotland, I feel really guilty about it.
It means potentially condemning lots of decent people in England to a tory government FOR EVER, and thats not a nice thing,
So remember that when you vote, kids...
(the above was meant as a hint to the potential tory voters in england BTW)
I can't think of a single, positive thing the tories have ever done.... except maybe one; The decision of John Major's government to abandon dogma and accept covert talks with a number of terrorist groups in Northern Ireland was a brave move, that has made a difference to peoples lives over there.
I can't begin to read this thread...
Both parties have created a culture of political mediocrity, where all parties have the same policies which no-one wants.
My politics aren't extreme. I'm progressive, slightly left-wing and believe strongly that the poor shouldn't be made poorer to benefit the rich.
So why do I detest this current Labour Party so much?
I'm progressive, slightly left-wing and believe strongly that the poor shouldn't be made poorer to benefit the rich.
Careful, I think that makes you a Socialist, in some people's eyes on here. And that simply won't do.
But I also don't believe in excessively taxing mobility (directly or indirectly), which also seems to upset the Singletrack lefties.
Oh dear. What are we going to do with you then?
To be fair Talkemada, I sympathise with PJM. I see no reason why the disabled should be excessively taxed.
And those scooters hardly cause any pollution anyway.
3 pages on - still no list of great Tory legislation.
Tragically deep down inside, I cannot bear the thought of the Tory Party defeating even a 'New Labour' government - the consequences for ordinary people will be devastating. It has to be done however. And British politics must move forward.
It's going to take a major change for the UK population to vote in anything even slightly "different" from what we have in the three parties. Quite a few on here see the similarities between them and complain about it, but what are you going to do about it?
The problem is the country is over populated with the middle class. Such dominance from a particular set has essentially created a One party state.
It's depressing.
But I also don't believe in excessively taxing mobility (directly or indirectly), which also seems to upset the Singletrack lefties.
I have yet to find a someone who had the opportunity to become upwardly mobile and the the potential wealth that it brings who turned round and said they'd rather stay where they are because of the tax system.
It's going to take a major change for the UK population to vote in anything even slightly "different" from what we have in the three parties. Quite a few on here see the similarities between them and complain about it, but what are you going to do about it?
That is because the three major parties are only concerned with keeping the floating voters happy........that tiny group of daft ****ers, who can never make up their minds which way to vote.
I have immeasurably more respect for someone who votes Tory all their lives, than someone who votes differently every election. Voting isn't like choosing a new pair of ****ing shoes.
It's time the major parties ignored the "Don't Knows", and stopped trying to appear to be all things to them.
Any Labour supporters on here who are going to support Labour at the election are arseholes. You should either abstain, vote Liberal or spoil your vote.
Look what you would be encouraging:
If you don't understand what this means, or that we have been essentially, as an economy living on a credit card with a false horizon then you really shouldnt be allowed to have a vote.
still no list of great Tory legislation.
If it's there, it won't be a great list 😀
If the Tories are so in touch with their social conscience, can anyone tell me what legislation they plan to implement [should they be returned] to help the plight of all these people that Duncan Smith has been studying?
Lifting the inheritance tax to £1m [£2m for couples] will be a great help, 50" plasma fetch quite a premium at Cash Converters I hear 😕
They will always show their true colours & what they think of ordinary people
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/13/cameron-pressure-identify-poverty-bill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8521705.stm
BNP, Tory, UKIP - all the same, just 3 different shades of blue
BNP, Tory, UKIP
now that really IS insulting. Implying a tory voter is akin to a BNP voter? Get real.
now that really IS insulting. Implying a tory voter is akin to a BNP voter?
It's just branding isn't it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2218998.stm
You are more likely to get BNP voters from disaffected (Labour) working class areas.
Professional people would class themselves as more 'right of the centre' Tory.
Call that a sweeping generalisation but I feel its true.
now that really IS insulting. Implying a tory voter is akin to a BNP voter? Get real
I was referring to the party members rather than the voters
again that's still very unfair.
Ive met the prospective conservative party candidate for our constituency twice* and she definitely wasnt shouting "darkies out" or anything.
* once was doorstepped, second was at a local Institute of Directors event. Never seen the labour candidate around... TBH there's no point in even voting in our constituency since its blue to the core. That's no bad thing given its a rural one and that none of the alternative parties even recognise the existence of rural England....
There's organisations like the Swinton Circle & the Monday club & loads of others that have links to both the Tories & the BNP
John Major's government was responsible for a fairly sizable part of the Northern Ireland peace process.
Privatisation wasn't all bad - rail and water were a step too far, agreed, but we're better off for having private telecom, energy companies...
Ernie said a little earlier:
no major reform which has benefited the lives of ordinary people in the last 100 years, has come from a Tory government. They have all come from Labour governments.
Police and Criminal Evidence act 1984 - replacing the old sus laws and making huge inroads to tackling racism and corruption in the police and a real leap in civil liberties.
Employment acts of the 70's 80's and 90's - got rid of the closed shop, meaning you were no longer forced to be part of a union to work somewhere, restricted wildcat and unofficial strikes, so there had to be a formal ballot before walking out, the general public are no longer held to ransom by a small bunch of trotskyite union officials who constantly demand more for less - you can get the bus into town without wondering if they'll still be running in the afternoon!
I would endorse the PACE suggestion...and half of the content of the employment reform laws of the 70s and 80s. Good point.
PACE was hardly a 'new idea' the Tories came up with, as the foundations to such an act date back more than 10 years before it's implementation.
As for Employment reform; much of those Tory 'reforms' gave back loads of power to employers, and took away many workers' rights, which had taken decades to campaign for in the first place. Merely undid a lot of good work. And has led to a situation where membership of a union is seen as almost as bad as belonging to a Far-Right Wing organisation...
The progressive demonisation of Socialist ideology has created a culture of greed and selfishness, and led to the Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight) I Want It Now reliance on credit and the Never-Never. People have become too shortsighted to see the long game; more intent on keeping up appearances, than they are in putting a bit by for a rainy day. And when people overstretch themselves, they blame anyone but themselves.
As has been proven by this 'debate'; it's mainly Left-Wing 'Socialist' reforms that have benefitted the [i]majority[/i] of people in the UK. Trouble with the Tories, is they like being wealthy [i]minority[/i].
God help us if the Proles ever gain Enlightenment, eh? They might get ideas above their station...