So, need to obtain said dishwasher asap as have a gaggle arriving for xmas and its the last bit of the kitchen rejig to sort.
Was leaning towards a Meile as our fridge freezer has been ace ( as ace as a white good can be!) .
Hear Bosch are good on a budget, but any suggestions appreciated. Budget up to 6-700 .
Cheers,
:o)
Not looked that recently, but BOSCH got crap reviews when we looked. Why spend so much on something that wont do a better job than a £300 one?
Had our Bosch one, 8 years, absolutely no issues. We only bought it to match the other white goods. 😳
I don't think at your budget there will be much in it.
Quite happy to spend as little as possible if it does the job properly funkydunc. Leaves more money for bikes!
Bosch one with the tray at the top for cutlery, far better than the cutlery box thing. Our Bosch is magic, brilliant at cleaning and practically silent, I love it.
Miele are great but very expensive.
I got a s/h one for £70 off fleabay, was lucky to get it for that much mind.
Bosch. All our appliances are Bosch, and they've been great.
On my experience, cheap out & save money. Last house had a Zanussi that has no problems in the five years up to sale; now have a £200 Beko for four years (yes; aware of electrical fire problem on some models & no; this wasn't one). Avoid Fisher & Paykel unless you like tinkering & expensive parts.
Bosch here too but for 300 quid and i was impressed with how quiet it is compared to my parents very expensive built in howdens ( what every they use) dishwasher. You cant sit and have a conversation in theirkitchen when theirs is on although the fact its built in may mean the vibrations are echoing through the wood.
My parents previous zanussi was bought when i was in primary 2. So about 1993- they pnly got rid of ot 2 years ago for the noisy integrated thing- never had a thing go wrong with it.
AEG. Has been and is fantastic for eight years now.
Bosch, tis awesome! Used virtually every day for 6 years so far. Super hot and cleans/drys brilliant.
Bosch and plumb it into the hot feed.
Depending on whats heating your hot water surely.
Bosch here got it for about £350 on a deal I forget where but Hotdeals Uk often has them.
It's far far better than the Hotpoint it replaced which was only about £50 cheaper that needed so much attention to make sure it cleaned the dishes well it was a right pain.
I've fit literally hundreds over the years, if you can afford it go for Miele, Neff/Siemens are also very good but a little easier on the wallet (last two jobs both had Siemens) after that I would go for Bosch.
Also a Bosch one, our second in 15 years. First one only lasted 5 years (it was repairable but I was abroad working, and my wife just bought another one). This one has done 10 years and works fine.
Built my kitchen 11 years ago and payed £385 for a mid/high end Bosch.... still working perfectly sometimes twice a day, bargain!
My love affair with Miele ended yonks ago. Their older products, ie the ones I had in my other life, were great but the newer ones are shoddy.
As an example, within 2 years an engineer had to come out to my Miele fridge/freezer and after 3 years the Miele washing machine broke down. Well, considering I live on my own it certainly wasn't from overuse!
Their products are noticeably less solid and I wouldn't buy again.
So, for my small size dishwasher, I ended up with Siemans due to lack of choice. It's OK but very lightweight and feels bargain basement although it wasn't.
Cheers all!
Depending on whats heating your hot water surely.
There's 2 bits to this
1. The dishwasher will clean much better with the hot feed; and
2. It's not going to cost any more however you heat your water and for mains gas and oil users it's going to be cheaper - even if it only takes advantage of the hot water when you've heated a tank for other reasons.
Stove + solar here means it's cheaper and better.
philbert is spot on. I fit Kitchens for a living too, Miele are the best by a margin, followed by Siemens and Bosch, Beko, Indesit etc. will wash pots but that's about your lot.
Do NOT plumb to hot either, not recommended by manufacturers and despite what people think, it's more expensive to run this way.
Bosch for us. Eight years in and still doing its thing *touches wood*
I bought the cheapest Baumatic (integrated) Its only just broken now after 8 years of hard use ......
We bought a Miele to replace our busted Bosch at the beginning of the year. Huge difference in cleaning and I'm hoping that it goes as well as our Miele washer-dryer (12 years in and absolutely no problems).
Do NOT plumb to hot either, not recommended by manufacturers and despite what people think, it's more expensive to run this way.
Ours can be plumbed to either feed. Why do you think it's more expensive to run?
IKEA - better priced and comes in a narrow version too 😉
Don't buy AEG...a once great brand ruined by Electrolux. We have had one for about 4 years, and it's total junk. We had them for 15 years previous and they were great.
We've had a Hot Point for 10 years that been trouble free & it's used nearly as much as the washing machine(there's 5 of us).It has a special pre-wash feature too.Boxer shaped,that shoves his fat 'ed in there whenever the door is opened.......
Miele
You were right first time. We've hammered a Miele dishwasher for around 10yrs now, no sign of any probs whatsoever.
eye watering price to pay at the outset, worth it in the long run.
Put this integrated one into our new kitchen 6 months back. Quiet, cleans well, are Smeg generally well regarded? Seemed cheap at £260 to me.
http://ao.com/product/DI60121-Smeg-Standard-Dishwasher-Silver-27177.aspx
Got a Miele washing machine that cost £700 odd, doesn't wash clothes any better than our old Hotpoint and when the door seal failed a new one was £120! The replacement appears to be a generic part too and I had to use a bead of silicone on the internal edge to stop it coming away. Meh. Wouldn't buy another one.
Been very happy with our Miele
Ours broke last week(Bosch) and I much prefer to be without it. Its more hassle to load and unload the thing than get everyone to do a bit and clean up.
We have a Miele - about 5 years old. It's pants. It will only really clean everything if you wash the dishes first. My parents now have a Siemans which they don't rate either.
Y'know I'm with IanW - my wife is mad keen on dishwashers but by the time you've pre-rinsed and loaded it up I'd rather just put the radio on and do it the old fashioned way. And then do the washing up.
Try the veal, etc.
Bosch and Miele both have a good rep and can last well but as above they are expensive. We are just on our third Indesit since 1997 so averaging 8 years a unit and around 200ukp per throw. They usually run a couple of times per day. In the end a combination of water, salt and muck is going to do any of them in so rather have a cheap one last 8 years than an expensive one.
Our Bosch broke a couple of weeks ago after only 3 years, I thought it'd have lasted longer as it's only cleaning fishes for two people.
Bosch / Siemens / Neff. All the same machines just badge engineered to a different price point. Utterly brilliant, robust and very quiet. The aqua-stop feed pipe thingy they have fitted would have saved us two months co-habitation with a noisy industrial dehumidifier.
Zbigniew + Süssmann. They're hand made in Zug Canton, Switzerland and use German stainless steel, not the Russian crap. You need to tell them what elevation your house is at so that they can calibrate the blades appropriately. Get the ZS-650b, with the right rinse aid (I use the eco version of Eckelbø, which isn't too expensive if you get it direct from the factory website at eckelboe.dk), it really makes the dishes come alive.
Surely you want the ZS-700c as the ZS-650b is just a compromise? 😉
Do NOT plumb to hot either, not recommended by manufacturers and despite what people think, it's more expensive to run this way
Kind of depends on two things
- whether the machine is designed for a hot feed
- how long the dead leg is from your hot water tank - modern dishwashers don't take much water. The risk is it take the cold from the pipe. And no more. The pipe is then full of hot water which cools down before the dishwasher needs more. .
Surely you want the ZS-700c as the ZS-650b is just a compromise?
I think if you were a vegan household and didn't have a lot of animal enzymes to break down, the ZS-700c would be excellent, but we eat a lot of meat, so our dishes are usually smeared with both animal and vegetable fat after use, and that meant the compromise was okay - it means the machine does well with both types, but isn't excellent with only one type.
Don't forget you need a fat dishwasher for winter dishes and the slim line for summer. Gets a better grip on the dirt.
I had a Bosch one a few years ago, Circa £250 at the time I think. Got rid when we had our kitchen done and got a built in one and got a. Electrolux or something. I really never thought I could get excited about dishwashers, I mean all they do is clean your dishes. Well this one is crap compared with the Bosch. Just doesn't work as well, is a bit more sensitive to the way you load it. Also the Bosch one had a feature where you could do a light load, so if you filled up the top tray it would only clean the top tray and use half the water. Getting an extension done next year and a Bosch one will be going back in.
On plumbing you don't even get a hot feed now, I didn't on the last two dishwashers as it clearly stated it is more efficient for the dishwasher to heat the water. They only use a small amount of water anyway and it's recycled within the machine rather than taking more and more hot water.
Geoffj on solar i agree but on oil combi i call crap on it being cheaper.
I dont heat water i dont need , my dishwasher does cool rinse so isnt heating all the water it uses, where as my combi would be
