samuri - Member
Mainly because they appear to be a bunch judgemental, arrogant **** who think they own the place. I don't want to be associated with a group of fairly useless middle managers with BMW's and AUDI's and 50 inch TV's, who have kids named Tarquin and Flossy, wear red trousers and buy authentic hand made furniture from 'farm sales'. I'm not like that so I resent the 'box' middle class.
Whilst surrounded by the people described above, we choose to drive modest, dirty, class-less cars with no external baubles.
I don't own any red trousers.
We have a CRT(!) TV
We buy things when we need them and we have quite a bit of stuff that was being thrown-out by friends and relatives.
Incidentally, the wealthiest, [i]old-money[/i] people I know are similar, albeit with much more in the way of assets and living in rambling piles rather than a suburban semi....
Maybe the survey was correct, but I don't really have the wealth to match the attitude....
I'm fine with working class because the ideals I would associate with working class (hard working, not afraid to get my hands dirty, support the masses etc) are ones that reflect my perception of myself.
I know people with similar views. These people are typically the first to try to maximise their
[i]tax efficiencies[/i]... 😉
I know people who would probably be considered "lower" class that act with more intelligence, better social graces and are more successful than so-called "upper" class people.
Wealth is not an indicator of intellect.
It's not that people, including myself, want to be associated with working class particularly (although the percieved ideals are another matter), it's that we don't want to be associated with the middle class.Mainly because they appear to be a bunch judgemental, arrogant **** who think they own the place. I don't want to be associated with a group of fairly useless middle managers with BMW's and AUDI's and 50 inch TV's, who have kids named Tarquin and Flossy, wear red trousers and buy authentic hand made furniture from 'farm sales'. I'm not like that so I resent the 'box' middle class.
So, no arrogance or judgemental prejudice there then...
I'm fine with working class because the ideals I would associate with working class (hard working, not afraid to get my hands dirty, support the masses etc) are ones that reflect my perception of myself.
So other classes are incapable of 'getting their hands dirty' and 'supporting the masses' then?
You're looking at it from the wrong angle
Am I? Really? 🙄
Apparently I'm traditional working class...
I am Elite 8)
bow down to my over-inflated London house value 😈
Snobbishness is rampant amongst the insecure.
Certainly in my experience, that is absolutely the case.
Class is irrelevant and used by lazy people to justify their poor life choices.
Very true
Wealth is not an indicator of intellect.
The snobby insecure lazy sorts would say otherwise.
Double post
What a daft survey.
Emergent service worker... actually, 'emergency service worker' is not such a bad description of my job (NHS).
That said, the poshest class of all is 'destitute aristocrat' - one cannot simply [i]buy[/i] that. 8)
Guessing we're all Proletariat really, apart from a select few....
Apparently I'm "comfortably well off and secure": a contributing factor to me being Established Middle Class. Just HTF do they know sh1t like this? Oh wait a sec, they don't ... it's just the usual BS spin.
"New Affluent Worker". 😀
Are [s]young [/s] 40-something
Come from a working class background
Own their own home
Two out of three right ain't bad I suppose.
Got some worryingly mental and unrepresentative results until I spotted the "after tax" caveat in the household income section.
Technically none of us are working right now, just reading this shit so where does a time thief fall into the class system?
[i]Am I? Really? [/i]
Yep, You were asking why I wanted to be put into a box and I said I didn't. Hence the wrong angle.
Really fella, chill out. You appear to be taking this way to seriously, make yourself a camomile tea or something.
Emergent Service Worker here. Clearly I listen to the wrong genre of music...
Emergent Service Worker here. Clearly I listen to the wrong genre of music...
Only a very high earner could appreciate such a thing as Jazz.
Snobbishness is rampant amongst the insecure.
Including it seems inverse snobbishness.
You were asking why I wanted to be put into a box and I said I didn't.
Erm, except that you did:
I'd like to be seen as working class but only because I'm a northerner.
😕
Really fella, chill out. You appear to be taking this way to seriously, make yourself a camomile tea or something.
I'm sorry, it's just that when people say one thing then claim they didn't, even though they actually did, I get a tad confused. 😳
Look! I put this in a box. If you too would like to be in a box, stick your photo in a quote.
I apologise unreservedly.
never mind
[i]Only a very high earner could appreciate such a thing as Jazz. [/i]
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Niiice.
According to the survey: Established middle class
What I believe myself to be: Working class
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According to the survey, I'm established middle class - but as soon as I take out the savings/share values it drops to Emergent Service Worker. Bit of an oversimplified survey, but then I guess I would always describe myself as middle class I reckon, so maybe not so wrong. Definitely not a class warrior or faux-working class pretender for sure. But then I was born in Essex.......
Emergent service workers ... 😯
class of '86.
Emergent service worker
What does listening to indie/rock got to do with class?
Stupid survey LOL
mudshark - MemberThe Beeb are pushing this one:
According to the map, I live in a borough of "Elites", which agrees with my [i]survey[/i] result, although I'd regard myself as educated, interested and fairly class-less.
It's a very simplistic survey that appears to demonstrate that 'class' doesn't really mean anything.
There are those who have enought money to live on and those who don't.
There are those who engage with the world and look outward and there those who don't.
Established middle class apparently. 😯
I realise this is likely to be a stupid question but a thought occurs to me.
It rated me as Technical Middle Class- probably because I own a property and my joint income with my g/f is over 65k pa.
But my g/f earns more than me and makes up over 50% of that income. And there's no way I would be able to afford the property I live in without my g/f- we are halves on the mortgage so technically I only half a house.
There's no way I'd be rated as Technical Middle Class if I answered the survey just for myself...so basically I am middle class because I have a g/f? And if you're single the 'route' to becoming middle class is much harder?
Probably I'm missing something here but does this not make it very flawed? The survey does specifically ask for 'joint' income etc.
I don't really buy that it's just a bit of fun as it looks like a serious piece of research that has cost money and has also been disseminated across the mass media today.
I don't really care what the survey says or anything but it seems pretty daft purely on that basis alone?
So on your own you'd have a different lifestyle compared to the one you now enjoy - hence different class.
Class isn't just something you're born with, it can change with education, interests, careers etc...
Technical middle class. What the hell does that mean? A load of bollo#*$ questions leading to an answer that doesnt make any sense! Twiddle!
Twoddle even!
Apparently the fact i like classical music go to the theatre and excercise makes me new affluent worker despite having the cheapest house option you can have and earning less than the national average wage...go me.
simply adding using social media makes me working class- does this count as social media - can using STW really be the difference in my class status and it lowers it... who knew you were all so common
Its ok i am an emergent service worker on my own - if i find someone else with my income i become elite - that the basis for the worst chat up line i'm sure!
My combination of having National Trust membership, an ok sort of joint income, knowing a software developer and a chief exec and owning an Elgar CD seems to make me 'Technical Middle Class'. It was Elite this morning, but something's obviously changed...
Still - it got a shed load of visits to the BBC website, gave their work experience boy a pat on the back for his web project and and wasted around 14 million working hours amongst the UK population today.
I'm Affluent Middle Class but feel as poor as a church mouse. I think it made me middle class because I said I listen to jazz ...
