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One of our friends wants to get her husband an air rifle for Christmas. Mainly to shoot squirrels with.
Budget is £ 200 - £300.
Assuming that he's not going to be shooting more than about 25 metres, I'd say go for a spring powered (break barrel) in .22 with a decent 4x40 on the top.
My dad had one for this purpose and, whilst the Weihrauch HW97k he had may be a bit out of the price range, it was a bloody good rifle for the money.
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You need to know if its a pcp or springer thats wanted.
Pcp will require an air tank which will take half the budget.
I have an AirArms S200 which is mind numbingly accurate, plus you can (easily) adjust the pressure if you feel the urge to make it very illegal. other models are available.
Can the pcp jobbies be charged with a compressor or do you need a bottle?
AA S200 is a cracker of a rifle. Get it set to 11ftlb with AA field pellets and it'll put pellet on pellet at 55 yards easily. Super quiet with AA's own moderator and you can get a 10 shot rotary magazine to fit, too.
Well worth the money - along with a 4-14x50 scope and a 300bar tank.
I started on a BSA Lightning (spring break barrel) and as soon as I had a go of a PCP that was it. AA S200 was easily better than the BSA Hornet I had after. Only got rid as the hammer spring in the S200 was giving way and shot placement was all over the place. Should have just got a new spring, but the lure of shiney took hold.
DON'T fiddle with hammer springs or valves without a chrono - over 12ftlb is a firearm and 5 year sentence - and the police can test with whatever pellet they want, not just the ones you use.
You can use high pressure stirrup pumps to charge PCP's, but it's like trying to pump a 700c road tyre to 90psi with a shock pump.
Get it set to 11ftlb with AA field pellets and it'll put pellet on pellet at 55 yards easily. Super quiet with AA's own moderator and you can get a 10 shot rotary magazine to fit, too.
You're not wrong there. When I was setting up the sights (with a rest for the gun) I could hit the little pushpins that were holding the target up at 40m.
10 shot mag is a great addition.
i always wanted one of the Air Arms Springers
http://www.air-arms.co.uk/?magento_products=spring-guns
Look the business and none of this fiddling about with aircharging etc
no idea what they are actually like though 🙂
Can the pcp jobbies be charged with a compressor or do you need a bottle?
Not with a domestic compressor which is usually 150psi max. Dive bottle is something like 2000psi.
Can't go wrong with a Weihrauch springer, second hand £200 ish.
DON'T fiddle with hammer springs or valves without a chrono
Very true (I do have one).
I used to have a Pro-Sport before I went rimfire. Very well made, very heavy, not as accurate as a PCP but very satisfying to use. Springers teach good technique (bit like learning to ride on a rigid before going to a full sus)i always wanted one of the Air Arms Springers
Pcp will require an air tank which will take half the budget.
Never had an issue using a hand pump instead of a tank, doesn't even take that long to get them up to 200 bar.
Got this tx200 for sale
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I never understand why not use a £13 live squirrel trap then shoot the poor thing point blank in the head with any old air gun? Less expensive, not cruel, more effective and still arguably fun for those that enjoy killing? Admittedly there is less to no chance of missing the shot/injuring the squirrel, but why would you want to miss the shot?
I rate the HW80 for target fun. Scoped or not.
At that price you couldnt really get better than a secondhand HW95k. Break barrel but with a fantastic trigger and accuracy potential.
i always wanted one of the Air Arms Springers, no idea what they are actually like though
Had 2. TX200 which was great but the best was the Pro-Elite. Superb rifle and was my go-to even with a Rapid 7 in the cupboard.
If it's going to be used infrequently I'd go for a springer. You can just pick it up, cock, load and shoot 🙂
why shoot the squirrels in the first place? Surely you have better things to spend your money on?
One of our friends wants to get her husband an air rifle for Christmas. Mainly to shoot squirrels with.
Budget is £ 200 - £300.
ideal christmas present - a weapon for killing animals. says something about the person i think
glad im not the only one who actually likes squirels...
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If you don't like it and do not understand the point of countryside management, maybe abstain from the conversation?
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As above, they're vermin and control them the same as rats.
Though as we've got terriers we tend not to need the air rifle.
cdoc - Member
If you don't like it...maybe abstain from the conversation?
That's how Trolls rolls, though.
why shoot the squirrels in the first place?
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why shoot the squirrels in the first place? Surely you have better things to spend your money on?
If everyone shot a grey squirrel, we'd probably have more red ones?
For occasional use, a spring, or possibly the BSA lightning with the gas ram would be spot on. Very accurate, and powerful enough. I'd hunt with one without hesitation.
I'd love a Rapid 7, or BSA R10, however I'm not sure I'd get the use out of it.
Maybe I'll keep watch for a 2nd hand S200 with a rotary mag!
If you don't like it and do not understand the point of countryside management, maybe abstain from the conversation?
brought up on farm and lived on a farm and its not countryside mangement nor am I a troll. We just have a diferent view point. BTW I have shot for my county - at paper targets 😉
+ 1 for Air Arms s200, had mine for years and still stays accurate. Last time I mentionned what I shot for the pot I got criticised so best not say....
Malvern Rider - Member
I never understand why not use a £13 live squirrel trap then shoot the poor thing point blank in the head with any old air gun? Less expensive, not cruel,
Just out of interest what would you consider to be cruel ?
If you don't like it and do not understand the point of countryside management, maybe abstain from the conversation?
...or find a football thread so you can post about how much you don't like "wendyball"
I've got a Umarex/Hammerli Airmagnum if you're in Acentral/East Scotland? Uses co2 carts, 2 off in holder, 2*10 pellet magazines, around 40 shots before the pressure drop is noticable, scope, bag and a couple of dozen carts if that's of any interest to you. c£250.
Pawsy_Bear - Member
If you don't like it and do not understand the point of countryside management, maybe abstain from the conversation?
brought up on farm and lived on a farm and its not countryside mangement nor am I a troll. We just have a diferent view point. BTW I have shot for my county - at paper targets
Greys are vermin, tree rats, they do a huge amount of damage to trees, as well as decimating nesting birds by raiding the nests for eggs.
I guess, though, that your farm didn't have a squirrel problem, they don't kill calves or chickens, or destroy arable crops.
I'll bet you'd be more than happy to see a hoard of brown rats killed if you had an infestation on your farm.
This thread has just given me an idea to add to my Christmas wishlist. Thanks!
Classic STW thread, £200-300 to spend and your recommending £500 guns lol
Get the best Weihrauch you can afford, 99s and a decent scope would be a good solid choice.
Asked the same question on here a couple of years ago when replacing a very old Original 35.
Tried loads - decided I still liked the simplicity of springers.
For quality, Weirauch, Air Arms & Walther were head and shoulders above everything else.
I like the option of open sights, so narrowed it down to a Weirauch 77 (heavy!) a Weirauch 99s (great value, smaller & lighter) or a Walther LGV.
After shooting them all I preferred the Walther.
But it was 400 quid, so I had the Original 35 rebuilt. 🙂
For a 65 year old rifle, it's still pretty bloody good.
The Weirauch 99s would be perfect for what you want.
Looked at Hatsan, Webley, BSA and SMK too.
The BSA's were nice enough, but not as good as the UK built BSA models from 30 years ago.
It was 2002 when i got mine. They've about doubled in price since!
Theres a mint TX200 with scope and pellets on airgun bbs for £300
And there are some Sub £300 Theobens
I have a TX200 and its a great rifle, but if I was looking for something just for vermin control I'd look at a pcp, a springer takes a bit more practice to shoot well, and live targets are not the best to learn on. All things being equal a pcp will give him cleaner kills..
BSA Lightning Tactical. Springer, but bang on 12ft/lb, single hole groups at 25 metres using Superdomes. (the short barrel is a bit pellet fussy) but my lad was scoring consistent headshots on bunnies out to 35-40 yards with his (mine) when he was 10 or 11.
For squirrel bashing I'd advocate a .177 and headshots only. They are desperately tough little bugggers, and won't be stopped cleanly with a body shot.
Just out of interest what would you consider to be cruel ?
Unnecessary pain and suffering. I'm not getting into the moral argument of 'sport' here, just plain and simple re squirrels on your land - why not use live traps and shoot point blank to be sure that the thing you wish to kill has virtually no chance of unnecessary pain and suffering compared to the variable-laden situation of trying for a clean head shot from a distance? No need for expensive guns or scopes, no chance of overshoot or a blinded/injured neighbours kid or pet. Way I see it is a win/win. Unless of course you want the 'sporting' chance of missing the shot, in which case I really have nothing to say - it speaks for itself.
Unnecessary pain and suffering. I'm not getting into the moral argument of 'sport' here, just plain and simple re squirrels on your land - why not use live traps and shoot point blank to be sure that the thing you wish to kill has virtually no chance of unnecessary pain and suffering compared to the variable-laden situation of trying for a clean head shot from a distance? No need for expensive guns or scopes, no chance of overshoot or a blinded/injured neighbours kid or pet. Way I see it is a win/win. Unless of course you want the 'sporting' chance of missing the shot, in which case I really have nothing to say - it speaks for itself.
Yeah, same goes for red deer, dunno why they don't use traps for them as well!
Trapping certainly has its place, however it is slow, tedious and not always as effective as you might first think.
Most trapped animals are not happy about their situation. They may be forced into a prolonged period of unnecessary stress as they may well be in the trap for some time.
While they are in there they make a lot of noise, alerting other animals who will develop a mistrust of the traps in the future, making capture far more difficult.
And then there is the issue of efficiency. A couple of guns can clear a good amount of land over a weekend, whereas to get the same results would require an awful lot of traps.
It is also worth remembering that any competent hunter should never take a shot that might be deemed as risky, in that they cannot guarantee a clean kill.
Tbh, I rather like the little sods. Shame they cause so many problems for woodlands and nesting birds.
The gold fiches or woodpeckers don't even bother nesting around here any more, unfortunately.
I'll say it, cos no one ever dares.
Its also enjoyable.
I await the flames.
And then there is the issue of efficiency. A couple of guns can clear a good amount of land over a weekend, whereas to get the same results would require an awful lot of traps.
True dat, especially with a couple of shotguns and some drey poles, great sport 8)
cdoc thanks for the response, you make some valid points. If live trapping isn't suitable then spring traps could be considered.
A lot of it depends on the local population of squirrels one is attempting to control (just a garden or woodland?) and the location, ie not using spring traps within 10km of red squirrel populations. There is comprehensive guide to squirrel control here:
Some amazing work going on in Northumberland with knocking back the greys to protect the Reds.
Ps, squirrel does make good eating, very nice.
Its also enjoyable.
How can shooting animals be enjoyable?? 😉
I remember coming in from school & going up to the disused quarry near where we lived with my BSA Airsporter (still got it within reach, 44 years later) & shooting rats that were feeding on rotting grain & spuds the farmers used to dump there, IIRC my record was 22 rats in one sitting.
I had the Original 35 rebuilt
Good choice. Spent my life savings on a HW35 at 10yrs old, had it now for 32 years. Did a self fitted rebuild once.... seemed to have a lot more punch after that 😉 Always used the open sight but fitted a 4 x 40 scope a couple of years back which makes it a completely different tool.
Also picked up a mint second hand Airarms S410 recently for £300 so a bit of a bargain. Fast & quiet with a 10 shot mag and super accurate. Not saying you can't get the accuracy with a springer but much easier to do so with a pcp. Also you could never get 10 shots in as many seconds with a springer which you can with a pcp.
Tbh, I rather like the little sods
So do I actually, they're more suited to living in the UK than the little red ones (who haven't always been here).
Good luck with the squirrel shoot, nothing but a menace. Try eating them bit fiddly to skin but taste like chicken/rabbit. AA 200 is my choice 10 years trouble free shooting.
Stick um in the microwave for a few secs. Loosens the skin apparently.
Its also enjoyable.
I'd agree with that!
Air Arms TX200 is still quite an expensive rifle. Go for a BSA Lightning. very accurate, cheap, simple, bang on the legal limit and you can get fancy plastic stocks (not used one) and gas ram instead of sing (very good) if you want to go a bit more upmarket. Pre charged is great, but you've got t know you're going to do it properly before taking the plunge in my opinion.
Bought an air rifle earlier in the year for shooting crows and magpies. Looked around online and, as always, lots of different opinions on which is best. I ended up going down to the local gun shop and spent a good 2 hours in there talking to the staff and got to try out practically all the ones on offer. Eventually settled on the Weihrauch HW80 based on simplicity, robustness and because it simply felt the most comfortable to use.
Not much help if you want it to be a surprise on Christmas morning though...
Alternative to shooting them?
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Thread resurrection,
After my ageing feinwerbau went off and shot my bedroom window 😳 its about time i changed and got a safe springer. any other suggestions or does anyone have an under lever for sale in the gloucestershire area.
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@vern you could try allsports in Gloucester. they used to sell 2nd hand, good quality guns. http://www.allsportsguns.co.uk/index.html
Normally lots in stock
as long as he's shooting grey squirrels only then its all good. grey squirrels are not indigenous to our country and are far more vicious towards the lovely wee red fellaes. as for rifle recommendation my vote goes for a .177 Air Arms s200. had one myself until recently and I couldn't fault it, superb gun and super accurate once dialled in with the right pellets.
V666ern give rob a call at http://www.rbsporting.co.uk in Ross. Loads of second hand air rifles, I got a good deal on an excellent W77k there recently.
well that didnt take long, thanks for all of the recomendations but i've just been into my LGS(?) wilsthire road and gun and am now the owner of a stoeger atac...my god how tech has moved on - but pellets £13 quid a tin!?
Had to keep reminding myself its for vermin and in the back garden otherwise those PCC's were NICE
anyone interested in a BSA R10, have nice one going. email in profile.
You don't have to spend £13, there are lots and lots of cheaper options out there (Bisley practice for £4.50 for example)
You don't have to spend £13, there are lots and lots of cheaper options out there
500 tin Eley Wasp also £4.50 all i ever use in my springer.
Air arms pellets for me in the worlds fussiest rifle
My HW100 will shoot anything and is spot on every time but I also have a Hatsan AT44 that can't even manage two inch groups on anything other than H&N Field Target Trophy (which are around £12 a tin!!).
Is it me or is there something..nice, about a newly opened tin of pellets.
