[Closed] Weight loss - 5.2kg in one week!

Don Simon +1

Mol - I'd have to give you some tough love to get you to where you state you want to be. If you really fell disgusted, you need to try harder and stop hiding behind excuses!! Seriously now.

Regarding the 'I know this person... I know that person...' we know **** all about what goes on in peoples own homes, what they eat at night, even our closest colleagues... infact I bet most of us don't even know what our partners truly eat on a daily basis.

Edit: Oh, and emsz +1

What did you love that you had to give up to be so skinny?

You see, for me - you're looking at this the wrong way
if you can do it, eat less, don't stress too much about the types of food etc.

infact I bet most of us don't even know what our partners truly eat on a daily basis.

+1

unless you're watching them 24hours a day, humans be humans and humans are sneaky sugar craving creatures that will hide their treats from the partner that's trying to control their weight. its done with the best intentions but it really doesn't take much to foster a 'secret eating' culture away from your partner.

its time to decide if you want to be 85kg and not give up the stuff you love, or be 75kg and be a bit better and denying yourself treats...

Obvious statement #1

Erm ...I grew up!

So you are saying you don't want those things any more? If so, that's great for you. I do. Maybe I'm still a child, you can look down on me for that, but that's what it is. I LOVE a latte and a cake. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.

Yeti - tough love - right.. except you're not my Mum, so that doesn't really make sense.

I do deny myself a lot. Not enough, apparently.

I'm not looking for sympathy or making excuses - just trying to explain how the world looks from the fat side. Because many of you don't seem to have any idea or experience.

unless you're watching them 24hours a day, humans be humans and humans are sneaky sugar craving creatures

Wait - so you're saying we don't know our partners? Or that people we think we know are in fact lying cheating weasels and we can't trust what they say? Holy shit STW those are some new depths you are sinking to, really.

if you can do it, eat less, don't stress too much about the types of food etc.

Obvious statement #2. Do you honestly think I hadn't tried it? And do you think half starving myself caused stress or not?

I'm going to overlook emsz's impication that I'm a baby or childish because I like sweet things.

Why doesn't it make sense? You need treating harshly to help you in the long run... I fear I'd make you cry.

You're not even fat really, are you? Bleating on about how it feels from the fat side... give me a break.

Also... don't be such a fool that you think you know everything your wife does. I'm not saying she does... but people do cheat on each other. People do lie. People who are addicted to something can be deceptive. FFS we're not just talking about you!

If I were you Molly, I'd just get on with things and forget about weight and diets - 86kg is hardly in the biffer league and it's hardly likely to trouble you health wise

Life's too short and all that

Well there's the thing.

My dream is to do well at MTB races. Not easy when you weigh 15kg more than everyone else is it?

Why doesn't it make sense? You need treating harshly to help you in the long run.

Because you are not my fat camp supervisor or my mum, you don't cook for me, all you can effectively do is berate me.

Plus you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that everyone responds to the drill sargeant treatment.

[i]I LOVE[s] a latte and a cake[/s] [b]cigarettes[/b]. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.[/i]

none of us are perfect Molly. Your not fat. I bet you don't even have a belly!!

Edit: Do I want those sweet things, honestly? no. I last had stuff like that when I was about 14, after that I had some issues that were taking up a lot of my time, and when I had time again to think about them, I just walk past them, in the same way that I don't want feel the need to put I dunno, ready meals or whiskey (yuck) in my basket.

none of us are perfect Molly

Glad we are making progress with this thread 🙂

People who are addicted to something can be deceptive. FFS we're not just talking about you!

You've made this scenario in your head of the cheating fattie sneaking around at night helping themselves to food that no-one else in the house knows is there, and from what you say you seem to be implying that that happens all the time, and is the main reason there are still fat people who are seen to eat little, despite what people who've known them say.

That is a possibility, but there's no reason to assume it happens in the majority of cases is ther?

Plus you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that everyone responds to the drill sargeant treatment.

Awww there there Molly have a cuddle.

You slim yet?

My dream is to do well at MTB races. Not easy when you weigh 15kg more than everyone else is it?

Find another dream
I dreamt of being a top flight motorcycle racer and had the talent to back it up
Sadly my dad didn't have 2 ha'pennys to scratch his arse with so it didn't happen

Find another dream

Some motivator you are. Not seen enough Disney movies?

All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race. Hardly out of the question for a fit cyclist is it?

Put it another way - drop it fattie, you're shit, get used to it.

molly, saying i dont know what its like from the fat side is rubbish, this time last year i was 90kg, and i've been heavier in the past.

I LOVE a latte and a cake. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.

that LOVE is psychological, fuelled by the bodies physiological responses to sugar. i'm prety clued up on the physcological/emotional relationship with food thing.

Wait - so you're saying we don't know our partners? Or that people we think we know are in fact lying cheating weasels and we can't trust what they say? Holy shit STW those are some new depths you are sinking to, really.

pretty much what i'm saying :)that's a pretty extreme reaction to me suggesting that some people sneak food when they're in a relationship with someone on a diet though.....

for the record i was known as 'FatPhil' in school, i was 85kg when i was 11. i've worked in eating disorder units, i've lost and gained weight like a yoyo over the years, i also know what its like from the fat side.

that LOVE is psychological, fuelled by the bodies physiological responses to sugar. i'm prety clued up on the physcological/emotional relationship with food thing.

So it goes away, does it?

that's a pretty extreme reaction to me suggesting that some people sneak food when they're in a relationship with someone on a diet though

Saying that 'some people' do it is not news, is it? Some people like to staple their bollocks to the table.

You lot seem to be creating this world of vice, deceit and denial to explain people being other than skinny, and then placing me in it.

So I am arguing because I think you are over-simplifiying, missing some real reasons for things, and also because you are implicating me personally as a non-skinny person.

All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race

Good Luck.

you are implicating me personally as a non-skinny person.

You've pretty much put yourself forward as the fat face of the overweight. A load of us have said you're not even fat and now it sounds like you're trying to back down from your stand point. Is this the Welsh Defence?

[i]All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race.[/i]

just not badly enough compared to the others who are prepared to give up Latte and cake in order to chase their dreams.

Thats the Disney way, my lovely.

Put it another way - drop it fattie, you're shit, get used to it.

Well, I'd dearly love to be able to compete with those stick insects on the big road climbs
At 6' and 12st 8lbs - I have no chance, no point stressing about it.

I posted on the Life's Mottos thread yesterday

"Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out"

I truly believe that and try to live by it

You lot seem to be creating this world of vice, deceit and denial to explain people being other than skinny, and then placing me in it.

i think you're doing a pretty good job of putting yourself in it then assuming that was our intention, i've been talking from personal experience and the experiences of many of the people i've helped.

So it goes away, does it?

emsz - I'm loving your work on this thread. I'd offer to marry you if I wasn't heterosexual.

get me pissed buy my some chips, tuck it between your legs and we'll overlook it, ok hun?

Mind you, then you have tell your friends that the only **** you could get was a pity shag from a lezza...OK?

If people are interested in the primal/paleo lifestyle I'd recommend you head over to these sites to begin with

http://robbwolf.com/

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Being slim does not necessarily equate with being healthy and as has been mentioned by several people, diets based around grain tend to play a large role in weight gain; there is a reason farmers feed cattle grain to fatten them up.

When carbohydrates (simple/complex, they are all sugars) are eaten the body releases insulin.

Once insulin has stored all the sugars it can as glycogen in the liver and muscles, sugars are then converted into fats in the form of Palmitic acid.

Palmitic acid is then stitched to a glycerol molecule and packaged up with protein and cholesterol (Very low density lipoprotein) and sent off around the body where it is used as fuel or stored.

ANYWAY, Palmitic acid decreases our sensitivity to Leptin; this is the hormone that tell you when you are full.

When the hypothalamus becomes Leptin resistant the satiety signal that is normally sensed from ingested food is lost.

Eventually, this diet based around complex carbs,leads to insulin resistance, which in turn causes the release of cortisol which releases more sugar and we have the perfect storm for developing type 2 diabetes.

A chronic inflammatory state also plays a big role in cardiovascular disease.

Rather than bickering about whether it can help lose weight it also worth reading about the health benefits as moving forwards diets based around protein and fat may well be the way forward.

In any biology textbook you will fined reference to essential amino acids and essential fatty acids, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydates; that is what neoglucogenesis is for, we can make our own sugars.

Just got out of several hours of back 2 back meetings to find my thread on 4 pages. I haven't got time to read it now but has anyone actually answered my question or has this just turned into another diet discussion 🙄
Yes, I should have known better.

just not badly enough compared to the others who are prepared to give up Latte and cake in order to chase their dreams.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

Re the body image. It's because I've tried for so long to be skinnier and failed. That is why I hate it.

"Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out"

I agree. I should not be trying to be a good MTBer, I would have made a far better rugby player. It's a bit hard to get anywhere in it aged 36 with next to no playing experience though.

In cycling terms I'd be better off doing track cycling. Anyone got a track bike I can have?

Any way, none of this is intended to make excuses or gain pity. I just have two points:

1) it is harder for some people than others
2) don't assume everyone who struggles to lose 10kg is in denial about how much junk food they stuff in their gobs.

Molly - how about just doing these sports for fun? Being teh best you can be? If that's first, great. If it's last... so what?

At 36 and being a devoted family man (respect is due) you're quite simply not going to be as good as you think you can be... without being more single minded and a fair bit more selfish.

IMO etc etc.

Molly - how about just doing these sports for fun? Being teh best you can be? If that's first, great. If it's last... so what?

Ask Bradley Wiggins.

😆 I did he said he's never made excuses not to train or to eat chocolate... he also said he's also a gifted athlete... not a delisuional computer programmer.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

So it's not fair? - so what?

I agree. I should not be trying to be a good MTBer, I would have made a far better rugby player. It's a bit hard to get anywhere in it aged 36 with next to no playing experience though.

Of course you should be trying to be a good MTBer [if that's what you want] just don't beat yourself up to this extent if it doesn't work out.

put it like this you saved about £4k in lightweight bike parts. maybe most weight weenies should try this diet as well before a £2k set of wheels.

[i]I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.[/i]

I know!! but to beat them you will have to won't you?!!?!!

God your worse than my brother!! LOL

I don't beat myself up that much in reality. Clearly not enough.

So it's not fair? - so what?

So nothing. See my two points above. This is just an example of point 1) , not a moan about my race results.

Mol - when did you last compete in a mtb race?

I've decided to become all introspective and declare that it's not fair! I've already got myself to a low bodyfat % and I'm still not as light as a TdF rider or top triathlete. I have nowhere to go, no belly to hide behind. I'm just a regular guy and now I'm depressed too.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

I'm just a regular guy and now I'm depressed too.

Maybe you have to ask yourself how they got into that winning position? What did they give up?

i'm guessing, on top of everything else.... TIME. Molly you're a dad, would you rather spend your time with your daughter or training to get on a podium? you made the choice to become a father, by the sounds of it you're a good dad, build a podium in the living room and your daughter can put you on it as #1 dad 🙂

*now thats a disney moment*

I don't beat myself up that much in reality.

Hopefully not

Just get on with doing things you need to do and like to do. family, work etc. and let the weight thing take care of itself if it's going to.
I obviously just get to see your online persona so it could all be a front but you seem to be in serious risk of destroying today in the hope of something better tomorrow, you will never reach that [unobtainable] goal as you'll constantly move the finish line.
Goals are good but they need to be attainable, yours at the moment clearly aren't so you need to re-evaluate them down.

I still eat what I want and as much as I want.

So.. lucky you eh? 🙂

Not really, just clear on what I want or more importantly what I don't want. It's easy. 😉

'Want' is an interesting term when it comes to food and fatties.

I eat as much as I 'want'. It roughly equates to the amount of food that I need to cover the energy I burn on a daily basis.

I guess that Molly 'wants' to eat more than he burns.

So why would that be?

Because otherwise you would be on the same side of the fence as Don and me.

Plus in the past you've argued how you want to eat chocolate bars, you want to drink coke, you want to eat cheesecake...

Plus in the past you've argued how you want to eat chocolate bars, you want to drink coke, you want to eat cheesecake

I do, yes. But why?

Because you have no self control and you don't really want to lose weight or do all these other things.
I think there's an element of fear going on here too. You've set a goal, let's say for a race, and are a bit scared of not getting it.
Yes it's been edited as I can't multitask 😳

Double post.

Because you have no self control

If I ate them it'd be no self control. Wanting them is innate.

That goes back to having a read of Allen Carr to understand these things. You want because you tell yourself you want. Train yourself not to want cheesecake and to want something else, something better, something more beneficial.
When I stopped smoking, I put a cigarette out and that was it, no looking back, no withdrawal, no craving, no wanting, just knowing that life without was better than life with.
It's still an element of controlling yourself and controlling what you think you need/want.
You have to want to lose weight more than you want cheesecake. Then there is no sacrifice, you're simply doing something that you want.

You want because you tell yourself you want.

Hmm.

I read something interesting the other day that said your gut actually forms part of your nervous system and is much more complex than people had previously thought. So eating sugar is much like putting drugs directly into your brain - even more so than we originally thought.

The problem is, my body currently needs the carbs to do the riding and running. It may be because I've trained it that way over the years, or it might be innate to my particular body type, but as previously noted if I don't eat the fast carbs I can't ride for shite.

So I'm trying cutting out sugar altogether, and having some bread or rice, or some maltodextrin if I start to feel tired. I'll let you know how it goes. Seemed to work well last week then I fell off the wagon again at the weekend.