But if "obesity costs rather a lot", and "we, as in society should be trying to act in the best way for all", then isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number ?
[i]How have you managed to get rid of all your tags[/i]
imo, tags are not there to convey abuse, anonymously.
Furthermore, its pretty low of people to try to use them in that fashion.
Its certainly not why they are made available on here.
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MTG - I used to put that argument forward for smoking. The problem is that we need people who are 60+ to start dieing now... not the 20 somethings who need to be alive supporting me long into my old age.
Solo... I get quite a few negative tags... I like knowing that I've annoyed someone 🙂
[i]But if "obesity costs rather a lot", and "we, as in society should be trying to act in the best way for all", then isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number[/i]
Paying a pension for 9 years is a piffling outlay compared to the cost to the NHS to treat what has now been given the status of a [i]disease[/i] over what could be a lifetime.
Albeit a shortened one.
isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number ?
A management consultancy did a study in the Czech republic that showed exactly that - people should be encouraged to smoke as it reduced the overall financial burden...
[url= http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Philip-Morris-Czech-Study.htm ]Based on up-to-date reliable data and consideration of all relevant contributing factors, the effect of smoking on the public finance balance in the Czech Republic in 1999 was positive, estimated at +5,815 mil. CZK.[/url]
The fact that it was paid for by Philip Morris should not be seen as in anyway biasing the report...
[i]I like knowing that I've annoyed someone[/i]
Thats soooo far off my strangeness radar, I can't even begin to understand that.
Either way. If you've got a beef with someone. Grow a pair large enough to say so by posting.
Not by adding silly tags.
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I've heard that smokers contribute more in tax than they cost in treatment before they die, although that was on an episode of Yes Minister, so may not be entirely accurate.
I dunno, I'm just guessing that the same could be true for lardies.
Reading a book at the moment called racing weight
One of the chapters talks about how people who start exercise regimes simply to lose weight and never move beyond that reason for exercising are doomed to fail.
Basically weight loss through exercise is only really sustainable if it is a side effect. Eg I like cycling and as a result (along with other things) my weight is well under control.
Seems to me helping kids (& adults) enjoy exercise / sport, rather than them seeing it purely as calorie burning, is a key factor.
That said he also points out that the 'food in' part of the equation is the most critical. So easy to over do it unless you are putting in 20+ exercise hours a week
[i]I dunno, I'm just guessing that the same could be true for lardies[/i]
Sugar tax.
Tax sugar as we do tobacco, for similar reasons.
Then I'd expect the
"let them eat cake as they will sooner die and stop costing"
theory to hold. Perhaps.
Taz - who's that by?
This sugar tax... what about all our lovely supplements for helping us ride silly distances?
That said he also points out that the 'food in' part of the equation is the most critical. So easy to over do it unless you are putting in 20+ exercise hours a week
This really cannot be overstated. It really is 85% diet.
@TSY
[url= http://goo.gl/Gd94X ]Racing Weight - Matt Fitzgerald.[/url]
I thought it was 80%
I always like to overestimate.
...oh and can we drop the sugar tax thing.
Using some made up figures, a pensioner gets £100 a week and lives 10 years past retirement age.
That's cost the taxpayer £50000 in pension.
A salad dodger costs only £20000 in NHS treatment before they have they're final heart attack, well before they are eligible for a pension.
As a tax payer, that sounds like the better deal to me.
How about making the up esculator go down, but slow enough so you can walk up against it 😆 but then it'd be cheaper just to put in stairs 😳
Dunno, if it's been said, but low fat food is not necessarily healthy.
Thanks Jamie - is it iDiet by another name? Will it help me in 4 weeks?
Compulsory Sumo wrestling training to world class level for anyone who is obese.
My idea, which is flawed in so many ways, is to only make clothes sizes go up so far. So if you are obese you can't go to Jacamo etc, you have to wear either what you can make or a bin liner.
I wouldn't last a second in a sumo ring.
Jamie - is that a kind of fabric tax?
MTG - seriously - take a look at the Czech smoking study - it is beautiful - I particularly enjoy figure 1 which compares the costs and benefits of smoking, the top 3 benefits are:
1. Savings on housing for elderly
2. Pension and social expenses savings due to early mortality
3. Health care costs savings due to early mortality
Smoking really is good for a country... Proof right there - in numbers and everything...
[i]what about all our lovely supplements for helping us ride [b]silly[/b] distances[/i]
Errr. Yeah. Thats exactly what we humans evolved to do, wasn't it ?................
Not sure about you TSY, but the last time I checked, I was/is human.
Humans have evolved to do certain things well and other things not so well.
Heres a theory for you.
Ride as far as your body will comfortably let you, supplement free.
Then.........Stop.
Yeah, I know, its, RADICAL DUDE !.
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[i]I always like to overestimate[/i]
Thats Ok, George always liked to point out that he thought that people had overunderestimated him.
Public ridicule.
If more people pointed and laughed at fat people, they'd soon slim down a bit.
I wouldn't last a second in a sumo ring.
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Anyone for bodyfat measurements? 🙂
Aha !.
I've just spotted the tags donated by some hugely manly fellow.
In the imortal words of Forest.
[i]Muppett is, as Muppett does[/i]
And on that bombshell, if you are going to post tags claiming people are muppetts. Then [b]you[/b] are the muppett.
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*Oh my, did I laugh*
Graham - I don't think public ridicule is the answer.
Jamie - is that a kind of fabric tax?
Not really, but the warped logic is as a society we are normalising what is not normal or healthy. I am talking obesity here and the extreme levels thereof. XXXL clothes sizes, wider seats on transport, jumbo ambulances etc. OK, we are not on par with the USA yet, but I think there has to be a point where people are not accommodated if they are the size of a small elephant.
...and now I sound like a fatty hating loon 8)
Yeah, we don't agree with bodyfat measurements Darcy... there's too much inaccuracy in the system. 😀
TSY, it's for their own good. They'll thank me for it one day.
The measurement method works for me TSY.
*risking a report*
Ok, Darcy... as long as we all use the same method, I'm in.
Molly didn't want to try it yesterday!
[i]...oh and can we drop the sugar tax thing[/i]
What, just the mere thought of such a world bringing you out in a cold sweat ?.
Don't worry.
Its not a complete sugar embargo.....Oooo. Now theres an idea....
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[i]Ian - how do we go about making it of interest? I think some of the tv (freak) shows actually help.[/i]
Absolutely no idea! I have enough trouble understanding how bicycles work. People are a completely closed book to me 🙂
The measurement method works for me TSY.
We have a wiener!
It's probably best if I measure everybody. I've been calibrated. As for me, you can tell by looking I'm in the high thirties anyway.
Jamie if I hadn't just swallowed I'd have spat my tea all over my monitor, chapeau.
[i]The measurement method works for me[/i]
I'll stick with the rythm method if its all the same, ta.
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Simple (but harsh method)
Get rid of centrally funded health care.
Reduce income tax and/or national insurance.
With the extra income people are now free to buy their own health care...obese poeple would get charged more so either wouldnt bother (no worries, death beckons) or cough up more to pay for their blood pressure meds, diabetes treatment, heart attack rehab etc etc....
All the time a fat person is cosseted by the NHS and told they have a 'disease' by the government then they have very little incentive to take any personal responsibility.
It's very simple. Make most carbs illegal.
All the time a fat person is cosseted by the NHS and told they have a 'disease' by the government then they have very little incentive to take any personal responsibility.
so the NHS is to blame for people being fat 😯
tax clothes by weight
so the NHS is to blame for people being fat
No, it's the bread and pasta industries.
tax clothes by weight
I know i'm a chubber, but what if I were thin and wanted a suit of armour?
No, it's the bread and pasta industries.
Those doughy bastards!