Re Black Bays, I've no issue with the snowflakes and the dot indices. However, the new ones which have a lollypop seconds hand whilst retaining the snowflake hour really bothers me to the point I couldn't buy one
The Breguet on the other hand is a lovely thing
Geeeez......I had to Google, but that Breguet 2057 is £16,400!
{wanders off to H Samuels}
New watch arrived today. I wanted another tool/beater watch. It’s nice and small. On a rubber strap which is really comfortable. I think this is my last cheap watch for a while, have my eye on a couple of more expensive watches so need to start saving.
And from a windowless room, lights out. Only light coming in was from the door frame. Taken from my iPhone with no flash on or any fancy nighttime settings. The lume is very easy to read in the dark.
I've always fancied a Nite, I like the tritium "lume" and they're much less mall-ninja/tacticool than a lot of other brands who use it.
Indeed, I quite like the Hawk, which now you've made me look at again...
have my eye on a couple of more expensive watches so need to start saving.
This is me, must resist - I'm £1009 away from a target!
Oris owners - did you get a warranty card with serial number etc on?
Ive just tried to register my Aquis for the 10 year warranty and the serial number off the movement isn’t cutting the mustard with Oris, neither are any of the numbers on the case. Am I missing some documentation? I’ll contact Jura/Sellors in the morning, but someone might have the answer 1st.
I'm a massive Breguet fan but I think they really dropped the ball with the date placement on the new Type series.
Cut off numbers is standard practice on these and I have no issues with it, but the date throws the whole balance of the dial off.
A real shame because the older versions are fab.
I think the Breitling AVI is still the pick of the lot looks wise though.
Gulp...
Yes. I saw that K57.
Quite nice.
That Breguet gets a big ‘NOPE’ from me as well. I don’t mind supplementary dials, but having them asymmetrical just looks like poor design, and it’s not necessary. Having the right-hand one the same size as the left, would then allow the 2 and 4 to be complete, not cut away. I have no problem with a 4.30 date window, my SPORK has it as do quite a lot of Seikos, which then allows a full set of numerals and/or batons, and a properly symmetrical dial.
I haven’t worn any of my other watches since April, I haven’t felt any need to because it fulfills everything I want a watch to do, and aesthetically I think it’s as good looking as pretty much any watch out there.
Personally, I think Seiko ought to reintroduce it, just with an up-to-date hacking movement. Although, the 4r15 is doing pretty well so far, since I set it on May 1st - it gradually lost time until around the middle of June, until it was 44 seconds slow, and now it’s gradually gaining and it’s currently 14 seconds fast.
I'm not really a watch person, but some of these on this thread are serisoulsy ugly... I appreciate they might have hand built cogs and what not, but I just don't see the attration on spending thousands of quid on something, which essentially, is no better than a ten quid Casio.
Me again.
Your suggestions from my previous post have resulted in some online browsing, including this.
https://shop.diywatch.club/products/monthly-combo-diy-watchmaking-kit-pilot-watch-with-date-sapphire-crystal-2-extra-strap-included-8215-or-8315-miyota-movement-available?variant=43671676879061
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Now I’m not kidding myself that this will make me a watchmaker, I don’t mind the idea of putting some parts together and like the look of both watches.
Price seems reasonable enough.
Does anybody have any experience with them, or any major pros/cons I’m missing?
My issue with the date window isn't just that it's at 4.30 although it would be better at 4, inline with the pusher or preferably 6. It's more that once again it's cutting off a numeral and then they've stuck the "swiss made" bit under/next to it.
The entire right-hand side is a mess.
I appreciate they might have hand built cogs and what not, but I just don’t see the attration on spending thousands of quid on something, which essentially, is no better than a ten quid Casio.
If you only want to know what the time is, the fair play get the cheap dumbed down computer and be happy with it, for sure it’ll give you much if not more of the output via the screen. Alternatively there’s a lifetime of learning and appreciation to be had regarding how manufacturers can design a self powered set of cogs, springs and wheels to do the same with such accuracy, notwithstanding some of the engineering and design that goes into other parts of the Watch. For example, I’m wearing a GMT now which has a mini clock complication above the six for a second time - a clock within a clock. It’s about 6.5mm across, and I find the fact that a tiny mechanical clock embedded within a mechanical clock yet not be a slave to it an absolute marvel.
Perhaps look back at some of Fudds dissasembly pics, or jump on the Watch Revival YouTube channel to watch Murray repair and clean up some watches he’s been sent.
I appreciate that not everybody is interested in that.
@countzero - you’ve officially won the “how many times can I get the word SPORK into a singletrack thread completion 😀 😉
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I just don’t see the attration on spending thousands of quid on something, which essentially, is no better than a ten quid Casio
And in most cases, worse at timekeeping 🙃
It's like a lot of discretionary purchasing - uneccesary and difficult to justify on purely functional grounds. You'll never convince a MaccyD's fanbois there's merit in a £500 plate Michelin star meal or a pair of handmade made to measure shoes offers anything vs Clark's latest offering etc.
Not everything is boiled down to the cheapest reasonable function.
That Breguet 2057 is not my favourite watch. It's not even my favourite Breguet. When I saw the 2057 online I wasn't that fussed, and only asked to see it out of curiosity (as I was actually keen on a Hanhart 417 ES, as mentioned above). The point is, you simply cannot account for the wearing experience and handling of these pieces. Sure, the price is crazy but you'd also be crazy to pay full price - negotiate or wait and buy 2nd hand. On the wrist, the date is not intrusive. The chrono action is superb (and I have tried many, including the usual 'heavy hitter' suspects). The crown is a joy to turn. The movement is a work of art. It's the whole package, which simply cannot be judged on a screen. I'm not getting this watch, or even thinking of getting it, but before you sh1t all over Breguet, head down to 10, New Bond Street, W1S 3SP London, and actually slap one on yer wrist (and get a complimentary coffee). They, and other high end boutiques, know most people through the door are tyre kickers, but watches at this level are affairs of the heart, and you never know when you'll fall in love.
I like cw, and having had a c60 pro bronze I liked a lot about it. It was big and heavy though so I'd want a smaller one in future, no idea what size that new one is, mine was 43mm.
And seeing as you (didn't) ask, here are two Breguets I'd actually love to see in person. Owning is out of the question, short of me living in the street, but to wear one for a day...
5367PT (off-centred dial is slightly jarring but typical of the maison, the dial colour and texture are sublime)
3795PT - a perp. cal. is a genuinely useful, if extravagant, complication. I usually prefer window'd, rather than pointer, indicators but still, imagine being sat at your desk with a loupe and whiling away the hours....
I will now waste the next part of my day thinking what my ultimate watches would be (not like I haven't done this exercise a hundred times, but still, it shifts!)
@Neilveil Its a 42, details here.
I must admit I'm very tempted, but promised myself I wouldn't spend my funds until I'd got to my next watch of desire because obviously it then gets further out of reach. Plus also I'm a bit odd in the way I think, in that owning another CW detracts somehow from the Compressor that Mrs K bought for my 50th.
But this in a collection of 5 would sit nicely indeed.
Oris owners – did you get a warranty card with serial number etc on?
@Blazin-saddles - yep. Warranty card with all the relevant numbers on it. Put serial number into Oris site & it came straight back with correct model, date of sale & sellers name/address.
I love the movement shots of the Breguet - stylish and very attractive.
...but I don't like the faces.
As you say "affairs of the heart" and we are all different. I hope you get your "ultimate watch" one day :o)
I'm a bit of a lost cause - I'm still wearing my Seiko 'King Samurai' and loving every minute so far!
OK, here we go!
Daily wear (ha ha), last gen. platinum day-date on a leather strap. Imagine on a brown leather strap, with the smooth rather than (current gen.) fluted bezel, it's a super under-the-radar option.
For when the radar signature is less of an issue, a PP 5236P or VC 5000T
can't link ( 
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And the something-for-the-weekend-sir, pink gold JLC Reverso with black lacquer dial. Seen in person, stunning. The chrono version's dial is less appealing, and the case is truly huge.
Plus G-Shock for MTB, obvs.
Which G-Shock?
@ElShalimo - DW-5040PG-1. I have one that looks similar but isn't the anniversary model. I like the steel/titanium squares too but prefer to keep it light, to avoid wrist implosion during inevitable crashes!
@JAG, thanks and I'm glad you're loving yours too! I'm 43 and am content to daily my Oris for the time being. Once I get more sedentary I am tempted to trade in the whole collection for something ultimate-ish. I'm passing through Philadelphia later this year, where Watchbox HQ is located. I'm not taking my collection obvs (death by duty) but will see what can eventually be done via one of their European portals.
Really must do some work.... (officially I'm on hols though, Bastille Day, though I've never quite understood what is being celebrated!)
The 40th anniversary clear remix watches went on UK sale yesterday
They're intriguing as there's not much to see !!
The 40th anniversary clear remix watches
I wouldn't, they "yellow" after a year or so.
The £100 5610u is a great choice, multi band, solar and can display the date in UK rather than US mode. If you fancy something a little more retro / tough looking a G9400-1-CR is a great tough solar multi band watch also.
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OK, here we go!Daily wear (ha ha), last gen. platinum day-date on a leather strap. Imagine on a brown leather strap, with the smooth rather than (current gen.) fluted bezel, it’s a super under-the-radar option.
Lush! And I totally agree about bringing it under the radar somewhat - you know what you're wearing, and someone who knows their watches might clock it, but otherwise you're (hopefully) not screaming "rob me!"
A question if I may - what's the name for the style of date complication on Gaidong's PP e.g. it appears not to be a date "wheel"?
@Kryton, very much <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> my PP, just a distant dream (though have seen in the metal). The complication is a perpetual calendar, so assuming it was constantly wound and didn't need servicing (ha ha ha), it would tell you the correct day, month and year until 2100.
Kryton, I agree with all you say except sometimes you can go into debt on the fund (but not in real banking) to get THE watch if a deal comes along. I'm going to be in debt to the fund for the zenith for serval years!
Well there will be no Oris Coulson to show unfortunately.
Whole thing smelt somewhat fishy but I'll leave it at that. Probably was too good to be true.
Looks like a Swatch anyway 😂
What was the reason?
@Kryton, very much <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>not</span> my PP, just a distant dream (though have seen in the metal). The complication is a perpetual calendar, so assuming it was constantly wound and didn’t need servicing (ha ha ha), it would tell you the correct day, month and year until 2100.
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Sorry yes I know what it is, what I’m asking is what’s it called where’s a normal date say at 3 or 6 would be provided by a circular “date wheel”, that type of data window isn’t? So what’s the general mechanism / complication known as? A ?????? Type of Date complication for example if I had to ask for it, whereas I don’t know what ??????? is.
@wait4me, I'm sorry to hear that. Iif you were happy to wear a Coulson (carbon and red) then I reckon a great buy would be the gold-capped Aquis (green or blue), with the Cal. 400. A proper 'Bluesy' for the common man! (not calling you common [!] but Rolex bluesy is about 4 times the price and I reckon one could negotiate pretty hard for the Oris)
Officially the watch failed quality control before being sent. I questioned what problem was and said I'd be prepared to wait if they were going to go back to Oris with it. The said that they're now sold out. Will be keeping an eye out to see if they relist one.
To be honest I'm fairly happy with what I've got at present and only went for the Coulson as it was (or wasn't) such a crazy bargain.
Nice looking watch that Aquis but I've got the blue black bay 58 for my blue diver
@Kryton, sorry, I didn't see your response yesterday. Yes, they're still date wheels but mini ones, and concentric. I don't know if there's a proper name for it but I much prefer this to pointer day, month etc. Although for some reason I like pointer date!
Anyone got any experience of Baltic watches (apologies if I've missed an earlier post)? Looking for my first mechanical/automatic and the Aquascaphe Titanium is on the list as something a bit different but not too horrifically expensive. I've read some stuff about the Miyota calibre maybe being a bit below par for a 700 Euro outlay.
Numerous Seiko's also being considered along with pushing the budget out a bit for something like a Farer Aquamatic to get a Swiss movement. Probably not really looking to go over the £1k mark just in case I find I just don't wear it and the Apple Watch stays glued to the wrist.
What about a Chris Ward C60 Trident?
Swiss movement, well made and well under £1k (though there are some pretty decent Japanese movements too)
https://www.christopherward.com/sale/c60-trident-pro-600/S60-38ADA3-S0KK0-HK.html
https://www.christopherward.com/watches/c60-trident-pro-300/C60-42ADA31S0KK0-HKR.html
PS - the Apple Watch goes on your other wrist.
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Oris owners – did you get a warranty card with serial number etc on?@Blazin-saddles – yep. Warranty card with all the relevant numbers on it. Put serial number into Oris site & it came straight back with correct model, date of sale & sellers name/address.
Thanks, it appears I'm missing the entire retail storage box, instructions, warranty card and paperwork. I've put a call into Jura and they seemed keen to sort, so I'll see what happens.
Thanks for the CW tip @igm, some nice stuff that I hadn't really considered. Not sure the brand, err...speaks to me like some others but I'll take a second look.
Part of the reason for a mechanical watch is to feel a little less connected to the internet of things all the time (pun sort of intended). There will be no "double wristing".
@Kato I prefer omniwristed, possibly multiwristed.
The Apple Watch is a phone, complete with credit cards, messages and Strava. It means I don’t need a phone or credit cards or a Garmin out on a ride.
I’m trying to find a decent display to use on it that doesn’t include the time.
@onegearnoidea - if you want something a little more interesting movement-wise then how about COSC for less than £950?
https://www.christopherward.com/c65-dartmouth-series-2/C65-41A3H3-S0BB0-RB.html
I want to like Christopher Ward…..just cant. They need to stick to a logo/crest and live with it. Keeps changing every few years.
I do love the Oris Aquis blue though, bought GF one for Xmas (yep I shop early!!). Benefit of being a skinny cyclist is that we have similar wrist sizes! She’s never had a good watch so I thought I’d treat her.
