[Closed] violence

Oh dear, has the contentious 'Modern classics' thread turned nasty 🙁

Who threatened who? and why

Link?

PP threatened me because he misinterpreted something I said! On the pavement thread, in reference to the fact I said if I felt at risk from a cyclist on the pavement I'd push them off. Admittedly I worded it badly.

Made me chuckle actually, the wording was excellent:

And I'd very happily get up and batter 7 shades of s**t out of you if you did it to me, pal.

I don't think you would though. That's internet bravado, nothing more

I'm not a violent person, and don't really see it solving anything frankly.

Lots of people on here seem to think the answer to anti-social behaviour amongst young people is to beat them up. 🙄

Njees post
'I just don't see how you can make any progress on the pavement, and having ridden thousands of miles on the roads of Surrey I don't really see what the problem is!

I'd very happily push a cyclist off if I was walking along the pavement and they came too close, strikes me as very similar to the whole thing about smacking cars that get too close. If they're close enough to shove, they're too close. Simples'

I do not think the use of the words very happily helped your post much do you njee?

Mark

It does solve some things, but I think I'm too old for it now.
S'funny when I went into the hospital to get my busted hand looked at the doc said "Punched someone?". Nope, crashed my mountain bike. I was much more proud that I'd done it that way.

Who was that, and where??

Have I missed a good fight? Boo!

Violence is acceptable when no other course of action is available or appropriate.

I jolly well have not had a good pagga in ages, but I've had me fair share of scraps.

Acceptable? Depends on the circumstances. If someone is about to attack you, or has already done so, then it's perfectly acceptable to lay them out, if possible. I've been attacked with an iron bar, baseball bat, lumps of wood, bricks, and knives. Fortunately, because I can be a bit of a mentalist when confronted by the threat of extreme violence, I've always managed to get straight in there, and have avoided serious injury.

Good question, actually. I have been involved in some pretty nasty incidents, in me time. So violence has been a part of my life. As a more mature adult, I now seek to avoid violent confrontation, and can usually use me big gob to talk me way out of trouble. But I'm still prepared for the eventuality. Recently, some berk was having a pop from his car at me, and I'm looking around for something to hit him with, if necessary. Me or them? Them, every time. Self preservation rules.

I must say, there have been moments when I've become quite detached from what is 'acceptable' behaviour, but only after extreme provocation. At the time, I don't think of the damage I may be causing someone else, I'm only inertested in rendering my adversary incapable of hurting me. Normal emotions don't apply here; if I have to smash them round the head with something, to stop them, then I will, and I won't hesitate. I'm not about to spare them injury, because violence is 'unacceptable'. Fortunately, I've not killed anyone, or caused permanent disability.

Regrets/remorse? I've put one or two people in hospital, because that's what it's taken to get them to stop attacking me. I feel no remorse towards them, as they fully intended to harm me.

Life is overwhelmingly pretty peaceful though. Violence is only necessary and acceptable on extreme occasions.

pp is a right softy

It all depends. If they are Lycra wearing lawyers with 29r singlespeed bikes then violence is not only justified but your duty!

I would expect the people most liable to make keyboard threats are those least able to fulfill them IRL.
Every 'real hard barsteward' I have known/met has always been the 'quiet guy who didn't feel the need to boast about it' type - the 'look at me I'm tough I am' types are the first to turn turtle when anything kicks off, usually of less than average height, work in a job where no real physical effort is required and fully equipped with body-accessories like celtic tatoos and wierd piercings......

...and if anyone disagrees with that I'll sort the muthas big time innit.

Only as the absolute last resort.
I think the quote goes something like - "Better to be judged by 12 people than carried by 6"

surely it's "seven [b]bells[/b]" (old ladies only) or "[b]ten[/b] shades of shit" ??

PP - hang your head

seven shades is a 70% moderation of a beating as required by the situation. if someone only annoyed you a little bit they'd probably get away with just one shade. that would be something like accidentally standing on your toe.

ah, thanks flatboy - hadn't realised it was a sliding tariff

*skips to the end*

I hate, [b]i mean really hate[/b], violence and people being threatening and confrontational in real life. I just cannot for the life of me understand how someone can go out, and either through their mentality or drink etc, kick someone in the head. Just does not compute.

On the web tho it is just funny.

The proper way seems to be to stamp on the head these days. Utterly, utterly vile.

Is it just me wondering if [b]RudeBoy[/b] invites violence on himself ??

Isn't knocking "shades of sh1t" out of someone a racialist thing?

violence is OK in self defence of violence IMO

My son was being picked on at school with two boys in his class, pulling his bag, trying to trip him up,name calling etc. He did not want us to speak to the school so I told him the only way he would sort it would be to sort the boys out (go for the big one) next day in school he gets a plastic bottle thrown at him, so he punched the big guy a couple of times and got caught by the headmaster. I got called to the school and told the headmaster that I had told him to do it and he said(unofficially)it was probably the best way forward. He got his detention next day as he was already told he was getting that before I went down (fair enough).And the two in his class never even looked at him the wrong way after that.

That pavement riding thread is a gem. I do like what PP is doing with the PeterPompous character. It's almost as good as Borat.

I have never got into an altercation with anyone weak and defenceless enough that violence appeared to be a safe way of resolving the situation. 🙂

It is never worth it IMO. It's OK I suppose for wee men to exchange a few punches, cuts and bruises are not a big deal and you need to stand up for yourself if you're just a wee fellow. Us heavyweights, though, need to be more circumspect. The consequences can be severe, for you, him or the pair of ye. It's an absolute last resort, which getting pushed off your bike by a stranger doesn't come close to meeting. There's really nothing at stake here.

Reports like this seem to appear quite regularly in my local paper.
This kind of thing seems to come from a different [b]species[/b] to most of the people I've met in my life.
(not pleasant reading)
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/brett/Two-people-seen-kicking-Brett.5254905.jp

I know what you mean Dez. 😐

PP threatened me because he misinterpreted something I said

No, I didn't.
You said you'd happily push someone off, which no matter what you think they've done/have done is YOU starting it. AND you said you'd actually done it, IIRC
As SFB said, I'm a right softy, but when bullied, I bite back.
I've got into 2 fights in my life, one of which I shat myself and avoided confrontation for nearly a week, then when I could no longer and the first punch was thrown at me, I gave him a right good belting.

You attitude stinks, (as you might think mine does) but you can't go chucking your weight around and expect everyone to roll over and accept it

Having been on the end of an unprovoked kicking as a teenager (fractured skull, the works) I'd say violence was unacceptable. Often it takes the bigger man to just walk away.

And as for getting all stroppy over the web on a forum, jeessuuss - life's too short and there's a whole, proper world out there. If it gets to the point where you're threatening to dish out beatings it's time to put the keyboard down and get outside and take a ride IMO.

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Violence is acceptable when no other course of action is available [b]or appropriate[/b]

It's your interpretation of "appropriate" which disturbs me RB. Your freakishly leftist ideollogy springs to mind. You are infact a product of your miserable surroundings, to which you "enrich" even more.

I'm sure you've been beaten up before, maybe when you haven't managed to find something to hit your opponent with. Shame I wan't there to witness it and throw you a hanky when you're crying like a pussy. You really are an idiot.

I'd say violence was unacceptable. Often it takes the bigger man to just walk away.

Very true, it generally is, and it often does. I've been laughed at for walking away.

It's all hypothetical anyway
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you need to stand up for yourself if you're just a wee fellow

You certainly do! Most of the do's I've had, have been with blokes a fair bit bigger than myself. I spose they think, 'oh, he's only a little C, I'll be able to have him'. Sad, really. I think it's got very little to do with someone's size, how violent they can be. Aggression is a trait inherent to all of us. In some, it's more apparent than in others, and maybe requires less provocation. I admit, I need less provocation than most.

something that I hesitate to admit to, but is relevant to this discussion, is that I actually [i]enjoy[/i] violence. A proper adrenaline rush, that I doubt I'd get through any 'extreme' sport. There's nothing quite like that moment, when faced with some C coming at you with a weapon, and you've got to sort it out. Knowing all the time, that serious injury or even Death is in fact a possibility.

I accept this is not 'normal', and am looking at ways to address this 'fault'. But I've accepted that it's part of who I am. Probbly a good thing that I'm only a 'wee man'; if I were a big bastard, I've no doubt some incidents wooduv turned out a lot worse.

DezB's article is tragic - not sure I would intervene with an arguing couple.

is enfht the new labrat?

I do like what PP is doing with the PeterPompous character

I just tell it like I see it. Plain speaking Midlander, it's just the way I am.
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Having said that, I was possibly a bit OTT. Hey-ho, thems the breaks.
But I stand by the sentiment of what I said, push me off my bike like that and you're not getting away with it one way or another, or you'll do it again and again until you hurt someone....

See, the OP doesn't see the threat of his own violence and thinks my threat makes HIM the martyr. Surely that's the very definition of pompous?
"You're on the pavement so I can push you off because I'M RIGHT"

Then proceeds to start another thread (possibly) because I said I wasn't going back to the first one.
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Dunno weather I'll come back to this troll thread, it might be fun to meet troll with troll for a while, I might get bored.....
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Shall we agree to disagree on this one and let it drop?
(Can you see where I'm going with this now)
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i think most of it can be let drop. not this, though:

There's nothing quite like that moment, when faced with some C coming at you with a weapon, and you've got to sort it out. Knowing all the time, that serious injury or even Death is in fact a possibility.

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As a more mature adult, I now seek to avoid violent confrontation, and can usually use me big gob to talk me way out of trouble.

Didn't your big gob get you into those violent confrontations? If your entries on STW are a reference, I'd bet it did!

Love the "more mature adult" quote! Vey funny 😆 Getting there slowly!

Seriously Rudeboy, I have read a lot of your stuff and I think you have some issues you would benefit from addressing. I know you have a positive side and you really need to focus on this.

I don't think political ideology has anything to do with this, but your surroundings do. I recommend you get yourself out of London. Avoid any large conurbations, go live in a place where people are more inclinded towards being personable, rather than wanting to beat "seven bells" out of one another at the slightest provocation!

Aight. That is when a brother pull his ten.

cynic-al:

DezB's article is tragic - not sure I would intervene with an arguing couple.

Indeed. My dad did ages ago and ended up having to beat a hasty retreat. Got a stiletto heel to the hand which looked well nasty.

38yrs and never punched another person, unless you count the time some yobs kept driving by and shouting insults at us, the third time they did it i let them drive into my fist...i guess heads out the window and 30mph into a fist hurt a little, they didn't do t again. lol

Like Deja vu all over again!
Wasn't this one covered some weeks ago when someone got pushed off whilst riding on a footpath?

It was roger!

RudeBoy is just a shouty little bloke. I've seem him in action....

He could make a nasty mess of my knees, mind....

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Sponge; I spose it's because i won't meekly back down, and give as good as I get, that may have escalated situations in the past. I've identified that many of them have stemmed from the fact that I've publicly humiliated people, to the point of violence. Yes, I am a little stirrer. But that's just words. If it stays at words, I'll walk away. I'll only get violent if someone is getting violent with me.

I accept that I do have some 'issues', regarding my aggressive nature, and I am taking steps to address them. Small steps. I'm nowhere near as bad as I used to be. TBH, considering what a wee feller I actually am, it's pretty baffling how I've managed to avoid really serious injury so far! But there's always that one time. Which I'd like to avoid; for the sake of my loved ones, if nothing else.

My surroundings? Well, I agree that they play a part, yes. I am considering moving to a quieter part of London. But the actual risk of violent confrontation is everywhere, not just in the rough parts. I'm sure here are horrific things that happen in quiet little villages.

My experience of where I live is overall positive. I'm confident and outgoing, and can get along with all sorts. I don't feel 'threatened' when out and about, but am sensible enough to be able to recognise potential danger, and take steps to avoid it.

The enjoyment of violence is something I'd like to explore, but there aren't a lot of resources that can help with this, I've found. If you say to someone 'I enjoy violence', they often look at you like you're a psychopath. I'm sure that many people secretly harbour at least violent urges. Take enfht, for example; he seems to have taken an intense dislike to me, and takes any opportunity to try and wind me up, to get a reaction. He must enjoy the confrontation. I'd say he has issues he may not even be aware of, just from some of the comments he makes on here. The above comments have an undercurrent of anger and resentment, which is quite irrational, I feel. I'm more concerned for his state of mind, than I am offended by anything he says.

The thing is, to be honest with yourself. PP has been, and has expressed honest onions. The PP I know is a lovely, kind, caring person. His wife woon't have married him if he weren't. But he, like everyone, has violent instincts, which he is aware of, and knows can be triggered by violent behaviour from someone else. Njee, I believe, is not actually serious about pushing someone off; if they were, they wooduv probbly done that already, and have faced the consequences. Forum posturing, methinks.

I used to be in the Paras, now not violent at all!

he seems to have taken an intense dislike to me, and takes any opportunity to try and wind me up, to get a reaction. He must enjoy the confrontation. I'd say he has issues he may not even be aware of, just from some of the comments he makes on here. The above comments have an undercurrent of anger and resentment, which is quite irrational, I feel

Oh so I'm the one with issues. hahaha. You interpet it as irrational because you're blind to your own stupidity. I'm not trying to wind you up, I'm judging you. Couldn't care less how you take it. Glad you picked up on the undercurrent of anger and resentment towards you, you're not completley blind afterall 😉

Here you go, mate:

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What's you're normal going rate on those?

I'm sure there are horrific things that happen in quiet little villages.

'Tis true, the queue at the PO here gets proper lairy on a Thursday morning and look out when the WI spill out of the village hall, all hell can break loose 😉

No.
I was the sort of kid everyone on here hates, troublesome, violent the lot. Though I blame society LOL well my little bit of it anyway. Singleparent family in the early sixties even my teachers refered to me as a Barstard child (not because of my behaviour, because of my mums status)Lived in a rough part of London and knifecrime in schools was very common then. Teacher used to make us box each other to settle playground incidents.
A short spell in the forces put it all into perspective, in the way seeing the consequences of violence does!
So I'm now the opposite of the kid I was, though I'm not at all PC apart from my attitude to violence on film for example, anyone who thinks lets say Fightclub is cool is a total merchant banker IMO.

Good for you oldgit! We should all aim to put violence to bed. Easier said than done for some and in certain situations. Self-defence as a last resort is the only acceptable time to get rough, but if you learn ways to manage anger (both your potential assailant's and your own), a punch up can usually be avoided. Assertiveness training is the starting point. Reading other people, knowing what to say (and when) is not always easy however.

Those that enjoy violence really do need medical help!

Its the internet. no one on here would threaten another face to face. Once you realise its an internet forum you'll stop taking yourself and others too seriously online.

All this.. Yeah... but... what if someone HACKED your favourite website??

I can't be arsed to get into a slagging match with PP on this, it's the exact reason you can't have any meaningful conversation on a forum without it going off on a tangent. I said something, which I stand by, although I admit I didn't word it well and you get some adrenaline charged fellow like PP telling me he'd kill me. Where's the love people!? Then you have the audacity to say it's internet bravado and my:

'attitude stinks' (as you might think mine does) but you can't go chucking your weight around and expect everyone to roll over and accept it '

FFS, grow up, that's what you did, I didn't throw my weight around at all, I expressed what I'd do in a hypothetical situation, you made a direct threat on a specific individual.

I got punched once by some drunk chap who thought I was someone else, never thrown a punch in my life, I tend to avoid confrontation, it's much easier.

I expressed what I'd do in a hypothetical situation, you made a direct threat on a specific individual

I think that's what you both did isn't it - he said he'd batter you IF you pushed him off

(mind, I haven't read the thread 🙂 )

So, truth is, you'd probbly not actually push someone off their bike, would you?

See, the reality is, that if you did, they might be someone like me. Only much bigger. And maybe a lot more violent.

Just out of inertest, who would you push off their bike? Someone your own size? Smaller, Female? Child?

I know you woon't do it to someone bigger than you...

It was the use of "pal" that turned Poddy's hypothetical situation into a tense Mexican stand-off. 🙂

I have never got into an altercation with anyone weak and defenceless enough that violence appeared to be a safe way of resolving the situation.

class!

So, truth is, you'd probbly not actually push someone off their bike, would you?

I have done, if you'd read the thread, admittedly I knew the chap, he was bigger than me, if that matters, we both moved out of each others way at the last minute, he braked, I pushed him in the chest, I was unscathed, he fell off. I strongly suspect that most people would do exactly the same, the pedestrian has the advantage that they're firmly planted whilst the cyclist is most likely unbalanced.

I have done

No, according to you, you 'put your hands up to stop him crashing into you'. As far as I can tell. So, you din't actually deliberately push him off, did you? It was just an instinctive defensive reaction. Fair enough. But you started off by having people think you would deliberately push someone off their bike, simply for riding on the pavement. Which you probbly woon't, let's be honest.

Here's the confusing bit:

I'd very happily push a cyclist off if I was walking along the pavement and they came too close, strikes me as very similar to the whole thing about smacking cars that get too close. If they're close enough to shove, they're too close. Simples.

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Dear God, this was my original point, it was an act of self defence, I pushed him off. That's what I said I would do.

I wouldn't push someone off simply for riding on the pavement, you're right. They may be PP and I'll get 7 shades of sh1t kicked out of me 🙂

Where is this pavement thread? Should be a riveting read

Too true spongebob, though I keep myself in check by over indulging in caramel slices, makes the world a nicer place if not a bit of a queezy one.

nickc - Member
Where is this pavement thread? Should be a riveting read

The two threads appear to have become one

Found it, it was a bit dull TBH.

Did you spill my pint?

Yeah, so what if I did? What you gonna do about it? Naahfink, you ponce!

Pick a window; you're leaving!

Caahhm on then! Ahhll 'ave the faaahkin' lot of yer!!

I got punched once by some drunk chap who thought I was someone else, never thrown a punch in my life, I tend to avoid confrontation, it's much easier.

Got alot of respect for your viewpoint there. The only time I will flair up is if someone is putting me in physical danger. Verbal etc- easily diffuse or walk away from.

Well, the "gent" driving his car who turned left across me felt upset enough that I'd shouted "Oy!" to turn around and then drive nearly 2 miles via a completely different route before stopping me and telling me that:
a) I was a c***
b) that I shouldn't have said anything
c) that he was going to beat the shit out of me
d) why was I critisizing him when all cyclist break the law anyway
e) that I could take down his reg number and report him, but that would just mean that he'd know where I lived, so he could come round and beat the shit out of me
f) that he was going to beat the shit out of me
g) that he bet I was sorry now, wasn't I?
(at this point I said sorry, so unconvincingly that I really though he'd actually get out and beat the shit out of me)
h) that it was good that I'd said sorry, as it saved him getting out and beating the shit out of me
i) did an 11 point turn to go back in the direction he was originally going
What a lunchtime, and the day had been going so well to start with.

I've been threatened before, but I'm just quite a docile person, I tend to just ignore things at the time, then get annoyed by them later!

When you're on the internet?

Let's settle this on the runway...

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[i]Just out of inertest, who would you push off their bike?[/i]

Boris 'BJ' Johnson fo'sure.....

I used to be in a metal band called 7 Shades. It was ace.

Oh yeah, and violence is bad.

anyone who thinks lets say Fightclub is cool is a total merchant banker

Fight Club's got nothing to do with violence though.

aP - Member

Well, the "gent" driving his car who turned left across me felt upset enough that I'd shouted "Oy!" to turn around and then drive nearly 2 miles via a completely different route before stopping me and telling me that:
a) I was a c***
b) that I shouldn't have said anything
c) that he was going to beat the shit out of me
d) why was I critisizing him when all cyclist break the law anyway
e) that I could take down his reg number and report him, but that would just mean that he'd know where I lived, so he could come round and beat the shit out of me
f) that he was going to beat the shit out of me
g) that he bet I was sorry now, wasn't I?
(at this point I said sorry, so unconvincingly that I really though he'd actually get out and beat the shit out of me)
h) that it was good that I'd said sorry, as it saved him getting out and beating the shit out of me
i) did an 11 point turn to go back in the direction he was originally going
What a lunchtime, and the day had been going so well to start with.

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