have a gold star!
You taking the pish pal?
M'OAN THEN!
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have a gold star!
Don't mind if I do...
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Absolute nonsense.
The OP would be in agreement with me on this as he doesn't want to expose little Timmy to the sweary men. What if the poor little cherubs start copying? The kids didn't choose to enter this environment on their own, did they? The parents, for some strange reason, believe that taking them into and adult, sweary, alcohol drioven den of iniquity is a good education for them. 🙄
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.The parents, for some strange reason, believe that taking them into and adult, sweary, alcohol drioven den of iniquity is a good education for them.
The Pub should be the heart of the community. Stop taking kids to the pub and you deny them an important part of their heritage and education.
Let me get this right.
You went to a pub and took exception with some of the other customers, who are really nothing to do with the pub and just happened to be there whilst you were there.
You did precisely nothing about this. You didn't politely ask them to tone it down; didn't report it to the staff who could've intervened on your behalf to avoid you possibly getting into a confrontation; didn't think to move tables or for that matter change venues. You didn't even report it as you were leaving so that they could be aware that some customers were being upset and make amends in future.
Better yet, you were offended not for yourself but on behalf of other patrons; complete strangers who, presumably, weren't actually offended sufficiently to bother to complain themselves. So they did nothing either.
Now, from the comfort of your armchair you're proposing to leave a scathing review of an establishment due to an issue that they were potentially oblivious to; an issue which almost entirely wasn't their fault (they could have intervened but then, if no-one has complained, should they risk making a fuss?) based on the behaviour of other customers, when [i]you've not even given that establishment any opportunity or even cause to deal with your silent complaint?[/i]
Seriously, why would you even be considering this? What do you hope to gain? If you're that keen to protect someone else's kids' delicate ears from nasty shouty men, write to the bloody pub and ask them to sort it out.
write to the bloody pub and ask them to sort it out.
In the form of an on-line review? 😛
Cougar - three letters explains the OP perfectly.
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Perhaps some simple tests to determine what [i]kind[/i] of pub you are in?
[b]Food:[/b]
A) full menu of cooked food and a kids menu with colouring pens.
B) sandwiches or pies
C) just crisps, pickled eggs, pork scratchings or peanuts from a cardboard display featuring a girl with her knockers out.
[b]Architectural features:[/b]
A) garden with swings and slides, indoor kids play area or soft play, toilets with baby change
B) wooden beams and shit; some old tankards, beer labels, brass or naff artwork scattered about.
C) flat roof or portacabin, chicken wire on the windows, sticky carpet, blue light in toilet
[b]Drink selection:[/b]
A) beer, lager, wine, tea, coffee, large selection of soft drinks and Fruit Shoots, J2O etc
B) wide selection of alcohol, few soft drinks on a draught gun
C) lager or value spirits
[b]Entertainment:[/b]
A) grabber machine containing soft toys, TV showing kids channel
B) fruit machine, jukebox, quiz night, darts, pool, TV showing sport
C) fighting
[b]Clientele:[/b]
A) family groups with kids
B) adults socialising, getting drunk and having a laugh
C) angry men with prison tattoos, knickerless 60 year old women dressed from teenagers wardrobe, random old bloke mumbling incomprehensibly.
[b]Result:[/b]
Mostly A's: family pub. Don't swear.
Mostly B's: swearing fine provided there are no young kids about.
Mostly C's: swearing compulsory.
random old bloke mumbling incomprehensibly.
OI!! I resemble that remark
What do you hope to gain?
The world feeling the full force of my righteous indignation, for its failure to live up to my very exacting standards, through the much feared medium of the [url= http://www.theladbible.com/articles/some-of-the-complaints-people-have-about-their-holiday-are-just-ridiculous ]internet review[/url] (second only to the online petition for striking fear into the very souls of its recipricants). That's what! You fool!
traditional family pubs
Isn't that one of those things like military intelligence? A palindrome or tautology or something?
Pubs are super-depressing when they are nearly empty.
GrahamS wins 'Post of the Year' award.
I've had a bad start to the day and this thread has made me chuckle. Please keep the good work up!
in the bar of my local i have been known to up the sweariness a notch if someone comes in with a small child that's noisy or otherwise annoying me.
that's in the bar, and i don't think that's a place for kids to be, but i'm old-fashioned and curmudgeonly like that.
mate's kids, or ones that are quiet, don't bother me at all, so long as they're kept on a lead, and don't pee on the door frame.
The parents, for some strange reason, believe that taking them into and adult, sweary, alcohol drioven den of iniquity is a good education for them.
What better way of explaining why daddy is such a c**t?
There's no such thing as vile language. It's just language. Prudes are very really though.
in the bar of my local i have been known to up the sweariness a notch if someone comes in with a small child that's noisy or otherwise annoying me.
Wow, you must be a VERY important person, can I have your autograph?
It's just language. Prudes are very really though.
Noisy swearers are also just as but. 😆
Cougar, I'm afraid your imagination has gotten the better of you (although I am impressed by the time you must have dedicated to write your post). For the ninth time I should point out I have not posted a review - hence why I asked the question. I hope that makes sense.
This thread can be explained like this:
a) The OP asks a genuine question
b) The forum reacts with nothing less than fury, accusing the OP of gross over-reaction (for something he hasn't actually done), when in reality it is the repliers who are acting somewhat hysterically
c) Cougar enters the discussion
d) Exit Badnewz, pursued by a pack of STW Bears 8)
yes.. I was incandescent with rage 😆
did you get an answer to your query badnewz?
b) The forum reacts with nothing less than fury, accusing the OP of gross over-reaction (for something he hasn't actually done), when in reality it is the repliers who are acting somewhat hysterically
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The forum reacts with nothing less than fury
You're definitely confusing fury and mockery there 😀
You're definitely confusing fury and mockery there
Intelligent mockery, it's intelligent mockery young man.
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I must say I like the people who are saying you should have a word with the landlord there and then.
The most likely result of that is getting filled in by the sweary blokes in pretty short order.
Can you really review pubs? Wow - usually just one step through the door is enough to do all the 'reviewing' you need.
GrahamS has posted the best reply, but I would also add:
"Does resident bar-proper-upper have LOVE and HAT crudely tattooed across his knuckles - the E having been on a now suspiciously absent finger"?
did you get an answer to your query badnewz?
Indeed I did. I shall not be posting a bad review, so the world will not end. But I will speak to the landlord next time I'm there.
I wonder if, what with the OP's delicate sensibilities and all that, perhaps it was these guys that he saw in the pub but confused them with a marauding gang of sweary violent hooligans?
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A cautionary tale about telling someone politely to mind their langauge.
A village pub in Hampton In Arden, restaurant attached and a few bar meals, caters a lot for locals in the front bar and a lounge bar which is usually full of people visiting the NEC or similar. Four of us in total, two couples, and at the table behind me are two younger couples, late twenties, early thirties.
One of the lads was loud. He'd obviously had a few and was getting louder, and was the sort of bloke who seemed to slip profanity into every sentence. He managed to use the f word at the top of his voice and drew a few disapproving glances from other folk in the bar. The second time he managed to bray the word at the top of his voice, I turned and said."Language fella! That's the second time you've shouted that."
Nothing could have prepared me for the reaction I got. I've been a cop for the best part of 30 years, so I've told folk to stop swearing a few times, and know how it can sometimes pan out, but this was like nothing I've ever seen. He apologised. Instantly and heartfelt, not just to me but to Mrs Scape and my sister. His mate apologised as well, so I said that was OK, we all get carried away, and to think nothing of it. Could I get the **** to shut up though? Could I ****! He kept on and ****ing on, grovelling, and when we moved to get out of the draught by the door he stopped off at our table on his way to and from the toilet to apologise again.
Silly ****er.
You went to a pub and took exception with some of the other customers, who are really nothing to do with the pub and just happened to be there whilst you were there.You did precisely nothing about this. You didn't politely ask them to tone it down; didn't report it to the staff who could've intervened on your behalf to avoid you possibly getting into a confrontation; didn't think to move tables or for that matter change venues. You didn't even report it as you were leaving so that they could be aware that some customers were being upset and make amends in future.
Better yet, you were offended not for yourself but on behalf of other patrons; complete strangers who, presumably, weren't actually offended sufficiently to bother to complain themselves. So they did nothing either.
Now, from the comfort of your armchair you're proposing to leave a scathing review of an establishment due to an issue that they were potentially oblivious to; an issue which almost entirely wasn't their fault (they could have intervened but then, if no-one has complained, should they risk making a fuss?) based on the behaviour of other customers, when you've not even given that establishment any opportunity or even cause to deal with your silent complaint?
Seriously, why would you even be considering this? What do you hope to gain? If you're that keen to protect someone else's kids' delicate ears from nasty shouty men, write to the bloody pub and ask them to sort it out.
^^This.
Man goes in East London pub, where East London men converse in the manner traditional East London geezers(note, very different to the new skinny jean'd Shoreditch types who start every sentence with "so".). Man is shocked at this.
Recommendation: Don't go to East London boozers if you don't like it.
Old mate of mine has a pub off Old Street - nicely done up, interesting mix of city boys and locals. All part of the charm. There's some interesting conversations at times, I love it. Much better than some sanitised hipster craft beer wannabe place or chain pub.
For the ninth time I should point out I have not posted a review - hence why I asked the question. I hope that makes sense.
I know you haven't, I was more perplexed as to why you'd even entertain the idea.
c) Cougar enters the discussion
I'm also somewhat confused as to why I get singled out on a three-page thread.
I must say I like the people who are saying you should have a word with the landlord there and then.The most likely result of that is getting filled in by the sweary blokes in pretty short order.
How would they know, unless you were the only other person in there? (And if you were, just change tables.) Just mention it when you're next ordering a drink.
Man goes in East London pub, where East London men converse in the manner traditional East London geezers
Have you actually been to Old Street? All the East London geezers live in Essex these days!
I'm also somewhat confused as to why I get singled out on a three-page thread.
perhaps it's your maffs skillz
was it the Masque Haunt?
Old mate of mine has a pub off Old Street - nicely done up, interesting mix of city boys and locals. All part of the charm. There's some interesting conversations at times, I love it. Much better than some sanitised hipster craft beer wannabe place or chain pub.
Ooo nice dig at hipster bars, we swear in them too, and where they serve nice bear. Just we don't tend to be southerners 😉
They have hipsters in australia?
Have you actually been to Old Street? All the East London geezers live in Essex these days!
Many, many times over the years. Spent years living in Bow & working in the Truman Brewery complex and so was frequently in that area as I had mates & clients all along Old St.
There was also an awesome old villains pub on Whitechapel High Street. Forget the name of the place but was full of real old 70's Jack The Hat types in suits, gold chains and smoking inside well after the smoking ban. Back up in the Smoke next week for work, must see if it's still there.
lol really wrecker never been to Brunswick then...
They have bears in australia?
Ooo nice dig at hipster bars, we swear in them too, and where they serve nice bear.
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Man goes in East London pub, where East London men converse in the manner traditional East London geezers
My grandfather was born and bread in the East End, he was a docker. Never once heard him swear.
ah another one who hasn't been
only 100 to try before you try that one again
https://www.boozebud.com.au/hottest100?gclid=CjwKEAiAo7C2BRDgqODGq5r38DsSJAAv7dTP5BKI0tizuk56to5hOkqrlpI59BgOCvXO-EMt0RJTmxoCI7jw_wcB
lol really wrecker never been to Brunswick then...
Hell no! Best avoided then?
Good Beer, good food, good fun, what you scared of just a few fixies and man buns
There was also an awesome old villains pub on Whitechapel High Street. Forget the name of the place but was full of real old 70's Jack The Hat types in suits, gold chains and smoking inside well after the smoking ban. Back up in the Smoke next week for work, must see if it's still there.
It'll have been bought by these guys....
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I bet the service in every bar and coffeeshop is amazing with all those hipsters to choose from!
Indeed I did. I shall not be posting a bad review, so the world will not end. But I will speak to the landlord next time I'm there.
You're going back? The pub must be nice - you should write a review.. 🙂
Hmmm
a Sweary Pub in Hertfordshire
Thatll be
The Wagon and Horses, Flamstead
as featured on Toughest Pubs in Britain
very good idlejon!
The forum reacts with nothing less than fury
You have a very vivid and creative imagination.
scapegoat - funny folk in Lion?
The Wagon and Horses, Flamstead
A right of passage for all lads of a certain age, growing up within a 1 hour radius, back in the days of the strippers with collection pots after the "show", scary looking lorry drivers and various other characters. Amazing place.
I'm also somewhat confused as to why I get singled out on a three-page thread.
pfft! no idea! you're not as important as me. 😉
teamhurtmore - Member
scapegoat - funny folk in Lion?
Indeed. Not a bad old spot if you know what to expect!
Was my local as a lad - dear old man "at rest" across the road.
Always knew if you were side or front bar in those days!! Only time I have seen a 180 live (old school mate) playing darts on Christmas Eve before midnight mass. Always good beer-infused vocals on C Eve!!
Parents lived in the Lodge overhanging the high street from when I was 18. Both long gone, but still call in when I'm down there. All my mates lived in Balsall Common, so I used to jump on the train and do all my drinking in the Railway over there, but sunday lunch pint was always in the Lion.
Front bar is full of bores now, sadly.
Lodge to the Manor? Know it well.
House opposite was haunted by three ghosts - two of which, only females saw. My bro was there once when mum and daughters all went quiet and watched something walk across the room!! The big dark shape upstairs scared me more!!
My bro was there once when mum and daughters all went quiet and watched something walk across the room!!
Blimey. I hope they left a suitably scathing comment on TripAdvisor?
I just thought it'd be worth ressurecting this thread after the experience I've just had in my local. Now my attitude on this subject has been pretty clear.
I'd nipped in to meet Mrs B for a couple of post work beers. Now My local is a great boozer, complete with pretty basic language, which I couldn't really care less about. It's a pub. What did you expect? But I've had issues before when the casual racism and sexism has got a bit much. And tonight it got far too much.
The news was on, and when Chris Rock made his Oscar speech, one of the more unreconstructed regulars, who congregate round the bar said 'oh STFU you *ing ****'. To use the approved parlance, at that point I saw my *ing arse! What followed is probably best referred to as 'a full and frank exchange of views', conducted, at volume, in words of 2 syllables or less. It got quite sweary. To say the least. Kaz behind the bar came out and calmed it down before it got too out of hand.
The upshot of this is that I've had it with my local. Despite loving the place. If they're happy to put up with this kind of thing, then I'll spend my money elsewhere thanks. But this isn't the first time*
So going back to the OP's dilemma: I don't mind swearing, but I object to blatant racism, so casually expressed, like it was 1970. So having had a stand up Barny at the bar i'm considering doing something quite bedwettery, and firing off an email to the brewery to ask them whether they want a pub that's going to end up with just a bunch of nasty, homophobic racists sat round the bar, loudly expressing their bigoted opinions, and driving everyone else out? The landlord doesn't seem arsed.
I can't work out if I've just contradicted my previous position, or reinforced it. I'm not very bright. And I'm certsinly no hard man. I just don't like homophobic racists.
I most definitely WON'T be writing a ****ing internet review! I'm not that STW! 😉
* Mrs Binners has already gone off the deep end on one occasion about their homophobia. She accused them of being, and I quote: "a bunch of ****ing bigots!'. And stormed out. Apparently the place went deadly quiet, then a voice piped up ....
'What's a bigot?'
You're so tough, binners, my gusset just melted.
Perhaps you could learn that a sentence which ends with a question mark is asking a question?
Apart from that one, obviously.
I'm definitely putting gusset melter on my business card 😀
I liked that place as well Binners, it had a worn-in relaxed charm about it but you did right.
Theres a place near me (not a pub)- if someone leaves a bad review (I and others have), an immediate glowing 5star review pops up!
I had a pub the c word was banned and a swear box on the bar quid a word to the air ambulance,lost a few of the football crowd gained a'lot more descent punters.
Barmaid / landlord is failing if not enforcing some decent maners imo especialy if they encourage familys and food.
Pubs were better when you had public and lounge bars tryin to keep every one happy is impossible.
....said Binners at the end of his 500 word internet review on STW.I most definitely WON'T be writing a ****ing internet review! I'm not that STW!
FWIW I applaud your stance and sincerely hope your pub flounce / stiffly worded brewery rebuke isn't as futile as I imagine it will be.
I know it'll be ultimately futile pp. Probably as futile as being sniffy on Tripadvisor. Complaining on the interweb is like shouting your disapproval into an empty shipping container, but I'm about to email the brewery now anyway
But I do feel better about having a right old barney with someone, and experiencing the novelty of actually occupying the moral high ground, for once. I quite enjoyed it. I might order myself a really high horse, like so many people on here have got. Our house has high ceilings so it'll fir nicely.
Its a real shame, because its a good pub. It could be a great pub. The landlady is lovely, and has laid on food for us after night rides, for example. But she's fighting a losing battle. They're now packing up and leaving. The problem? There are a bunch of regulars, who've been here since the dawn of time (not like us recent interlopers, from outside their obviously limited gene pool). They seem to be under the impression that the brewery runs the pub exclusively for their benefit, and they can do exactly what they like. This seems to involve recreating a really bad 70's sitcom. I ignore it most of the time, blank it out, but I've had heated exchanges before about their UKIP voting, anti-everything, prehistoric opinions in the past. I I completely lost it last night.
I know other people, who don't wear a high vis jacket, drive a white van, read the Sun, and think using the word **** is perfectly acceptable, won't go in there for this very reason.
I'm hoping, probably hopefully wishfully, that with the brewery now getting new people in, they might see it as a chance to address the issue of the place being treated as a personal drinking club for a bunch of unreconstructed bigots. I might get all 'campaigning' and start an internet petition. That'll show 'em! 😉
Internet Petition??
Gusset melted. 😉
Binners the brewery will go with who spends the most. Most of the views I hear in pubs conforms to what you would call backward bigotry from surprising people (to me anyway). You can't argue because mostly there to thick to understand, you just need to learn to enjoy their fear because thats what you are witnessing.
The terminally stupid talk loudest and drink the most. hic.
Well MT - you were right.
I just got this reply from the brewery
[i]Thank you for your email and apologies for not replying sooner as I have been on annual leave.
I have visited the pub and spoke to the landlord and landlady informing them of your complaint. They are of course very upset regarding the information in your email.
They have advised me their customers are not and have never been 'Bigots or racist' and would not allow any type of racist comments in the pub.
I am therefore satisfied with their answers.
Yours sincerely,
Blah, blah, blah[/i]
So there you have it. If your money is good then, as far as Thwaites brewery is concerned, you can sit at the bar in their pubs and refer to people with a slightly different skin tone to you as *ing ****s, *ing coons, and *ing ****'s, and homosexuals as *ing faggots, then pass comment on how we'd all be better off if they all "want *ing shooting" or "need *ing stringing up" or "send the ****ers home!" and thats all fine.
So going back to the OP, I can just imagine how much attention would be paid to an online review
Cheers!
So there you have it. If your money is good then, as far as Thwaites brewery is concerned, you can sit at the bar in their pubs and refer to people with a slightly different skin tone to you as *ing ****s, *ing coons, and *ing ****'s, and homosexuals as *ing faggots, then pass comment on how we'd all be better off if they all "want *ing shooting" or "need *ing stringing up" or "send the ****ers home!" and thats all fine.
Someone [i]really[/i] needs to have a look at the swear filter. As there is no way that **** is more offensive than ****.
I can just imagine how much attention would be paid to an online review
To be honest I think the OP is correct in that much - they'd probably take a public online review more seriously than a private email. Such is the nature of our social media age.
Gusset-melting internet petition time?
Dear Singletrack,
I am writing to review your swear filter, or obscura profanisimus, as I like to call it. It's not very ****ing good, is it?
Yours
Disgruntled of Biggleswade.
To be honest I think the OP is correct in that much - they'd probably take a public online review more seriously than a private email. Such is the nature of our social media age.
Finally...a use for the share button.
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Here's the 140 characters if anyone needs it:
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