[Closed] Vaping and driving

@mike Fines for vaping - happy to see a single instance where anyone has ever been fined a penny. "Sorry I thought it was allowed, I'll stop now". Also that speaks of the US whats the law everywhere else. They don't usually fine people when they have to divert the aircraft to kick you off like the squezy jet flight from Glasgow over the weekend

There are much more obnoxious (and flamable) gasses coning out of the other passengers

its really just steam and not smoke at all

Here’s a list of airlines that could confirm they are banned. If you do decide to travel with them rest assured you’re not breaking any law, although the airline staff may ask to look after them for you or deny you access to the plane.

Air China
Air Canada
All Nippon Airways
American
American West Airlines
British Airways
China Southern
Continental
Delta
EasyJet
Emirates
Iberia
Japan
KLM
Korean Air
Lufthansa
Malaysia Airlines
Northwest
Quantas
SAS
Saudi Airlines
Southwest
Thai airlines
United
US Airways
Virgin Atlantic
Reasons for bans range from airline to airline. Some had specific rules in place regarding e-cigarettes, allowing you to carry them on board but not be used.

I have no issues with people vaping.

However, if it's possible to vape with little or no smoke while on a plane, why can that not be done while driving? Is it some kind of fashion thing to produce lots of smoke (serious question)??

I thought this thread was going to be about this video:

see http://imgur.com/0LdwqeJ

Some vaporisors are a bit silly, letting off great plumes..
Mine is a normal one i use to stop smoking, it lets off less 'fog' than a cigarette does smoke, it's not thick and it disperses in about a second.

There does seem to be a trend in silly ones though, amongst some people, that let off massive clouds of the stuff.. I think that's what the op is referring to, and I'd agree that kind in a car is dangerous due to possibly impaired vision.

Partially really powerful device, partially the mixture used in it, some vaping liquid is designed to release a more dense vapour.

Taking on the [s]achingly predictable self-righteous, whiny bleating[/s] perfectly legitimate and understandable concerns of the [s]usual sanctimonious bedwetters[/s] concerned citizens of STW, I've now forsaken vaping in the car, and have instead switched to a crack pipe, which produces far less smoke

Is it some kind of fashion thing to produce lots of smoke

Yep. I believe they call themselves "cloud chasers". Some modify the device or concoct their own e-liquids to produce as much "smoke" as possible.

"Sorry I thought it was allowed, I'll stop now"

its really just steam and not smoke at all

Vaping is clearly better than smoking but this sort of sophist arguments/BS is right up there with the arguments about passive smoking and before that when folk were denying fags caused cancer.

Mine is a normal one i use to stop smoking,

I inject pure nicotine into my eyeballs first thing in the morning nowadays, so that for the rest of the day my behaviour doesn't cause anyone [s]to piddle their nickers with furious indignation[/s] offence.

With Gods help I will one day overcome this debilitating addiction.

Amen brothers and sisters

so that for the rest of the day my behaviour doesn't cause anyone to piss their nickers with furious indignation offence to anyone.

lol

Do you have one of the massive smoke pipes? Do you reckon obscuring your vision while driving is a good idea?
Or have you just not had your fix yet?

I am not entirely sure you have though i can see the argument. IMHO you have changed the method by which you are addicted to nicotine rather than you have "stopped".

And that's always been the surprising thing to me. People seem to switch to vaping and see it as having quit smoking. Yet they're still doing it many years later?

When I quit smoking, before e-cigs were available, the aim was to be able to live without the whole package. Smoking, nicoteine, the habit of holding something etc. It was bloody hard, but I had a sense of achievement for properly quitting. Staying on the e-cigs would always seem like a halfway house for me.

I'm not judging, as I may have have done the same if fancy vape cannons were available 10 years ago, but does seem odd.

Just to add an extra element in - I never ever used to smoke in the car, as cars that people smoke in are beyond mingin!!

But I'll happily vape away in the outside lane of the M60, like a Hamlet commercial from the 1970's, and my car then smells of cherry menthol, which is lovely

So stick that in your pipe, and..... oh....

Not judging either just not sure you can say you have "stopped"

With Gods help I will one day overcome this debilitating addiction

Its really up to you what you do but it is strange to see folk addicted to drugs acting in this way...accepting the problem is always the first step...we are here for you brother..you are in a safe place...let out your hurt...

FWIW when I smoked I considered it a hobby and would have reacted as you are.

They've had 7 or 8 call outs this year at work for false alarms in the bogs.

From people vaping on the crapper.
And that's only in the offices that they've finished updating (Shiny new detectors, that can detect the particulates in the steam), so probably only 50 or 60 crappers on the entire site. (There are ~14000 people on site).

No idea what it's going to get like when they finish updating the place.

They'll have to start sacking people again, like they did when they banned smoking in the buildings (mid 70s) and on site (late 90s).

Yep. I believe they call themselves "cloud chasers". Some modify the device or concoct their own e-liquids to produce as much "smoke" as possible.

I believe there is also now competitive vaping sometimes with considerable prize money on offer. Each to their own. 🙂

binners

But I'll happily vape away in the outside lane of the M60, like a Hamlet commercial from the 1970's, and my car then smells of cherry menthol, which is lovely

So stick that in your pipe, and..... oh....

[i]E-Cig explodes in drivers face causing twenty car pile up on the M60....... [/i]

Yeah, maybe don't use those things while driving.

Abso-bloody-lutely! Ban everything! And sack anyone who transgresses! In fact... lets reintroduce capital punishment for everything I don't like!

And... you've all got to get your hair cut like this....

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The addicts are getting tetchy 🙂

indeed objecting to drug addiction being fed in a dangerous way is very much like wanting to turn the country into North Korea

Christ how ranty would you be if you had not fed the addiction today 😯

Your rage spree would make dear leader look like a cuddly teddy bear 😉

Quick, Binners. Have a bang on your vape bazooka, it'll settle your nerves.

...or maybe stop you being quite so binary 😀

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. (There are ~14000 people on site).
No idea what it's going to get like when they finish updating the place.
They'll have to start sacking people again, like they did when they banned smoking in the buildings (mid 70s) and on site (late 90s).

E-Cig explodes in drivers face causing twenty car pile up on the M60.......

Yeah, maybe don't use those things while driving.

Accidents like this are rare when the devices are used properly and people pay attention to what they are doing with the batteries. A couple of the recent headlines about battery explosions have all been down to the user. For Example:

The lady in the pub in North Yorkshire that made the news, device plugged into a iPad charger, more powerful than the standard USB chargers in use and consequently the battery failed explosively.

Lad in the US with exploding batteries in his pocket, he had 2 18650 Lithium batteries loose in his pocket with keys and change, I don't really need to say much about that.

The lady in the pub in North Yorkshire that made the news, device plugged into a iPad charger, more powerful than the standard USB chargers in use and consequently the battery failed explosively.

Is that really her fault, tho?

The device should have had an overcharge protection circuit, and only draw the power it needs like every other piece of consumer electronics.

Petrochem? Or a place about that size in W Cumbria? The latter certainly has good reasons for you not shoving stuff in your gob in many areas

Not judging either just not sure you can say you have "stopped"

Well if you stopped smoking and taken up vaping, you have still stopped smoking. Whilst sharing some outward signs, they are very different. You can quibble over whether someone has given up nicotine, but quite a few vapers reduce the amount of nicotine in their juice to zero, so they have given up that as well.

The important thing to remember is that cigarettes contained lots of harmful byproducts when smoked, nicotine is quite a long way down the list.

End of the day - its a distraction just as smoking is.
Answer is NO
Quite simple really.
Eating an apple is illegal
Drinking something is illegal
Vaping should be

Looks like we have some Premier members who vape 😀

Eating an apple is illegal
Drinking something is illegal

Not specifically they are not, however there is a potential punishment of failing to drive with due care and attention. It is therefore a matter of how the individual activity affects your ability to drive reasonably and safely on the roads. The same law would apply to vaping.

Tell that to the woman who was prosecuted for eating an apple a few years back.
Whilst sat in stationary traffic due to an accident.
With her engine off.
Because the force concerned went to the letter of the law.
Another was fined for drinking from a bottle of water.
They changed it recently to include smoking - it should also include vaping - period.

Tell that to the woman who was prosecuted for eating an apple a few years back.

She was done for "failing to drive with due care and attention" as she was holding an apple, there is an important difference and one that would allow for someone who is vaping to be prosecuted if their vaping caused them to drive without due care and attention. I don't think a specific law was made about smoking, other than the ban on smoking while under 18s are in the car.

Is that really her fault, tho?

The device should have had an overcharge protection circuit, and only draw the power it needs like every other piece of consumer electronics.

True, the device should have, but you can still damage batteries by using incorrect chargers even if the device has protection. You can find stories of iPhones being damaged because people plug them into an iPad charger "because it charges faster", I can damage my laptop battery by using a charger with a different output.

I would still say it was her fault. Protection doesn't mean we should ignore the warnings on devices that state "Use only with the supplied charger", to do so puts the onus on us should something happen.

Smoking was specifically added to the list of activities under which eating, drinking, etc are prosecuted.
I know what she was prosecuted for mefty - the fact was she wasn't even moving so not actually driving either. Therefore the "offence" wasn't an offence.
Where the "offence" she committed occurred was debated all over the national press.

As far as vaping is concerned - it definitely should be illegal to do in a vehicle.
Just think about the actual act of vaping - picking the device up, etc. Thats assuming it was on the seat - what if its in a pocket?
Its a distraction whatever way you look at it.

Everytime I see a vaper they look like they are sucking on a robot cock.

Arguing with addicts about their addiction, is not going to end well.

Perhaps what we need though are less people calling for things to be banned so we can all use our brains a little more?

Just think about the actual act of vaping - picking the device up, etc.

Didn't some of the quit smoking pharma companies do some nicotine inhaler sticks? no smoke at all afaik. How come those didn't take off as as vaping has?

no smoke at all afaik. How come those didn't take off as as vaping has?

Like most of the quit smoking aids back in the day, they all tasted like shit.

Now you can have any flavour, smoke, device you can choose.

You can find stories of iPhones being damaged because people plug them into an iPad charger "because it charges faster"

Can you?

I do that all the time and Apple explicitly say it is fine:

Your iPad comes with a USB power adapter. You can also use this adapter with your iPhone and iPod.
...
While these USB power adapters are designed for use with your iPad, you can charge all iPhone and iPod models by connecting them with either a Lightning to USB Cable or a 30-pin to USB cable.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202105

The only stories I've seen like that are from people using dodgy Chinese-clone chargers they got off eBay for a quid.

'vape' on a plane

Didn't they make a film about that?

You keep asserting that smoking has been outlawed, I can't find any reference to this other than if a under 18 is in the car when i search. There is an important reason not to have a highly prescriptive lists of don'ts, if the law is highly prescriptive there is a danger that individuals (and indeed the courts) will take the view if something is not on the list, it is ok. A more general approach, such as we have, gives much more room for the law to develop with the march of time and new innovations.

No mefty - I'm not actually.
Read what I've written not what you think I've written.
Smoking has been added as a descriptive to the same list as the likes of eating/drinking and therefore has specifically been named as a distraction liable to cause driving to fall below an acceptable standard.
I've not once said its illegal to smoke but it bloody well should be!
As should vaping and ANY OTHER activity causing you to require to use your hands thus lessening control of a vehicle.

I've not once said its illegal to smoke but it bloody well should be!
As should vaping and ANY OTHER activity causing you to require to use your hands thus lessening control of a vehicle.

In the same vein what about all the cars that come with touch screen 'infotainment' systems built into the car? menus for everything with sub menus and built in wifi all on a big screen in the middle of the dash,,
or is that a step too far for your Teutonic VankerWagons...
We should just ban everything, including Monday morning internet whining...

You said eating an apple while driving is illegal and then said smoking had been added to the same list. None of these activities are illegal - however, if they cause you to fail to drive without due care and attention, you can be prosecuted. There is an important semantic difference because the present law could be applied equally to vaping - the only difference is that at present vaping is not noted in the CPS guidance, but that has no force in law.

EDIT: it is also worth noting that the CPS guidance only talks about lighting a cigarette.

if the law is highly prescriptive there is a danger that individuals (and indeed the courts) will take the view if something is not on the list, it is ok.

Eating an apple was used as an example - due to the fact that there was very high profile press coverage of said prosecution where the force concerned pushed ahead with it despite advice to the contrary.
Ergo - case precedent and as such that can then and has been used to proffer other convictions since.

The list the police use is a "descriptive" - ie an act likely to cause the standard of driving to be lowered.
Eating is a descriptive.
Drinking is a descriptive.
Smoking is a descriptive. (to be smoking you HAD to have lit the bloody thing!)