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What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?
I reckon he's an evil cyborg...so no..
What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?
Born in America.
Or having at least one parent who is a citizen. Also, being born in the U.S. is usually enough to have citizenship, even if your parents aren't citizens and aren't there legally, but if your parents are diplomats and not subject to U.S. legal jurisdiction, I think you can't claim birthright citizenship.
Whatever the case, Musk is ineligible without a constitutional amendment.
Whatever the case, Musk is ineligible without a constitutional amendment.
Only according to the rule book.
currently 47.3% to 51.1% in favour of the stuffed sausage
Well, that really does surprise me. I thought he would scrape in by winning the swing states, I'm shocked he's winning the popular vote.
On Musk... if he keeps supporting Trump as a non-politican, he has so much to gain. If he were a possible successor, Trump would turn on him. Not being eligible to be president works in his favour.
Trump has won. That battle is lost. Let trump try to carry out his simple answers to complex problems agenda. Let's see how that work out.
It's likely to have a terrible effect on Ukraine, Taiwan and Gazas futures. Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.
But...
Although the UK will be impacted by this Trump win, interest rates, growth etc it's not all bad. Far from it.
Would I sooner a magic switch and we have a Tory government here and Harris as President in the US? No, I wouldn't! It's far from ideal but unlike '16, there is hope at a national UK level.
At a macro level all bets are off but at a micro level, little will change in our lives. That's all that matters.
I'm disappointed but not very surprised.
In 2016 the Democrats chose a generally unpopular female candidate to run against Trump. They seem to have done the same this year. Kamala Harris was a very unpopular Vice-president.
In 2016 Hilary Clinton referred to Trump voters as "Deplorables", Biden referred to them as "Garbage" this year. Neither are likely to change people's minds, but they are very likely to motivate the people that they're insulting to get out and vote to teach them a lesson.
The Democrats have been spectacularly arrogant this year. However you cut it, it's been obvious for a few years that Biden is no longer up to it, and the Democrats have been hiding it - avoiding press scrutiny etc, only doing something about it when it was both unavoidable and far too late. At that point they chose a candidate who must have colluded in the cover up, and they wonder why they may not be trusted on key issues.
This is against a background of the Democrats in general being pretty rubbish at politics. They've allowed themselves to get boxed in on judicial nominations, something that is going to take decades to un-pick. They also, in Joe Biden, had a candidate who was reluctant to talk about abortion rights and women's health, when it was a key issue.
They've also been unlucky, inflation, the Ukraine war, and the Middle East. However IMV they've not helped themselves with their triangulation and prevarication on Gaza.
Against that background I can understand why people turned out to vote for Donald Trump. I don't think it helps to label all the people who did as stupid racists either.
Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.
So... No change then?
Oh well at least the Ukraine war will be over in January!!
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Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.So… No change then?
Yes, I believe there was pressure put on Israel by Biden, we are now likely to see what it's removal will mean.
Hang on - why isn't Trump questioning the outcome of this election?
See comment above. People don’t care about GDP if they don’t see the benefits of it. The GDP growth over the Biden administration has primarily benefitted the rich asset holding classes while working and middle class people have seen their cost of living massively impacted by inflation and stagnant wages. That’s why Trump’s primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP. He’s even suggested taking control of interest rates off the Fed. Obviously no one knows if he’ll deliver what he’s promised but the Democrats were only offering more of the same.
^^This^^
GDP that doesn't filter through to the plebs pockets is fundamentally meaningless to most voters, look at our own COL issues and focus on inflation... Then look at who Trumps biggest cheerleader has been in recent weeks... Ahem.
Especially Musk..
^^Indeed^^ champion of the working classes, definitely the sort of person you want to have the ear of the President if worker pay and conditions are your priority?
Of course this is tied up with various very American Myths about Work and Wealth and how it is "Earned" in their economy...
To me that is a fundamental dichotomy, voters who can't spot that deserve everything they get TBH. Unfortunately lots of people don't suffer from "TDS" and will also have to pay the price...
Trump was wise to their tactics this time around- hence why they had to try and assassinate him.
The huge irony is that every time they tried to Lawfare him out of existence, they made him stronger. After all, if that’s how they behave towards a former president- what chance would the plebs have when the democrat gestapo chose to ‘show me the man and I’ll show you the crime’ against them….
The lack of awareness was shocking. In comparison- and being a people person, Trump inherently knew there was more mileage in sparing Hilary than locking her up and throwing away the key.
He’s a sportsman who loves the game but respects the rules. Whereas the left just want to win at all costs (hence Trump derangement syndrome).
He’s a sportsman who loves the game but respects the rules. Whereas the left just want to win at all costs
Sorry what now?
Why are there so many thick trolling Putin bot ****s on here nowadays?
The only thing Trump respects is a bigger bully than him.
The Dems deposed a sitting president, installed their next puppet without any democratic processes and then wheeled her out to say “Trump is a threat to Democracy” all with a straight face.
They are corrupt liars through and through.
All of which ends up watering down anything Trump *did* do wrong- they went too far.
Now, there is no Fact Checker or Trusted Global News initiative that’s going to convince me (or clearly the average American) that ANYTHING they say is true ever again.
Now, there is no Fact Checker or Trusted Global News initiative that’s going to convince me (or clearly the average American) that ANYTHING they say is true ever again.
Which is fine. You do you. Meanwhile in the rest of the globe a generation of time will need to go by before we don't hear an american accent and think "there goes a fetid turd with unpleasant principles, best avoid".
there is no Fact Checker or Trusted Global News initiative that’s going to convince me (or clearly the average American) that ANYTHING they say is true ever again.
So basically we can just disregard you from here on then.
The Dems deposed a sitting president, installed their next puppet without any democratic processes and then wheeled her out to say “Trump is a threat to Democracy” all with a straight face.
thats nonsense though, he wasnt deposed as president, he still is president, they just replaced him as candidate to be the next president.
Other than Trump being a threat to demorcracy (theres actual recording of him trying to force the Raffensberger0 Georgis secretary of state, to find 10000 votes because he refused to accept defeat) He has spread countless lies about the last election being fraudulent
he then incited a mob to attack the Capitol building
Hes also threatened to have shot and or imprisoned his political opponents
the question is why are you lying crosshair, is it because you are trying to justify supporting an adjudicated rapist who was best friends with epstein?
The Dems deposed a sitting president, installed their next puppet without any democratic processes
Harris has never been President. Biden is still POTUS for the rest of ‘24.
And yet the Dems fought the nastier fight.
The facade is over. The left’s inherent bitterness and insecurity shon so bright it was impossible to miss.
As I alluded to earlier- I actually don’t think the average American or Brit has moved anywhere (politically) but our Globalist-run rigged media and political class have gone so far hard-left that the people have had enough.
Populism was what democracy was called until the left rigged the system….
our Globalist-run rigged media and political class have gone so far hard-left that the people have had enough
Which USA media outlet is “hard-left”? Which politician with any grasp on power in the USA is “hard-left”?
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The Dems deposed a sitting president, installed their next puppet without any democratic processes and then wheeled her out to say “Trump is a threat to Democracy” all with a straight face.
I think you need to go and check who the current president is. Once back you can see that Harris was put on the bill to be the next president and the people given the choice to vote for her or not - seems pretty democratic
He’s a sportsman who loves the game but respects the rules. Whereas the left just want to win at all costs
This is total and complete bollocks of the highest order. The left in the US are not particularly scrupulous but Trump is playing a different game to the left. Trump is playing a game where you manipulate as many people as possible by saying anything at all without basis in fact, so that you can gain as much power as possible and line your own pockets. That's all he does. The left are at least trying to run a country and do what needs doing. Trump doesn't care about anyone other than himself - not the public, not Ukraine, not those in need - no-one.
Yeah you’re all right. When I see Biden drooling on the beach, I remember he is *obviously* still ruler of the free world.
My bad.
hence why they had to try and assassinate him.
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Can someone, anyone, please explain, in layman's terms, who exactly the 'left' are, as alluded to in the post above? I'm confuzzled
As Musk said in his Rogan interview- the media has gone 70/30 left to at most 95/5. And left in 2024 would have been Extreme Far Left in 2000…
Which makes Trumps victory all the more impressive. They couldn’t lock him up, couldn’t kill him and then couldn’t brainwash enough people against him to win.
He’s a very impressive guy.
Which USA media outlet has gone “Extreme Far Left”… point one out, and explain what is “far-left” about them to help us understand.
I do actually think right/left is dead as a concept. Hence the coalition between Trump Tulsi, Musk and RFK etc.
It’s more to do with those who want to be free and those who want to be DEI re-programmed globalist pawns.
As I say- Trump was a darling of the old left until 2016….
I do actually think right/left is dead as a concept.
You brought it up.
Stop responding to the obvious troll FFS.
Why is someone who supports Trump an obvious troll? Approximately half of US voters do, are they all trolls?
I don't know but I have heard it said that the way what some call "the palace coup" was carried out didn't go down well with much of the American public.
Many saw it as an Democrat establishment stitch up in a similar way to how Hillary Clinton was chosen as a candidate.
…as shorthand to refer to the disgusting liberal elite propaganda machine.
Why is someone who supports Trump an obvious troll? Approximately half of US voters do, are they all trolls?
He's a troll because he says something
Has it disproved
So he can ignores it and then just says something else that's not true....
He’s a very impressive guy.
TBH I do like an 'all in' troll, no halfway measures, really commit to the bit.
To be fair- I have only popped back to see what the ‘other side’ is thinking about things. But I don’t think it’s trolling. More trying to help provide balance and keep a few of you from disappearing up your own Jacksies.
I’ve been guilty as anyone of retreating into my own echo chamber and consuming stuff favourable to my desired outcome during the build up tot today so coming here felt like a bit of a reality check.
But…. turns out I was right all along lol
“No, this is people saying: We matter. Our voices matter. Our communities matter. Our families matter. We are not deplorables, we are not idiots, we are not rednecks. We are citizens and we matter. The only question now is whether the complacent establishment will double down on its mockery of working people and damn them for falling for demagogic trickery all over again, or listen to them for a change. I hope it's the latter. But something tells me it won't be.”
Nail on head Brendan O’Neil. Nail on head.
He’s a troll because he says something
Has it disproved
So he can ignores it and then just says something else that’s not true….
So s/he's a troll because they refuse to accept a counterargument?
Tbh the Democrat establishment stitch-up claim is a fairly valid point imo, it is the second time this morning that I have heard it offered as an explanation for Harris alienating some voters.
It is nice to see comments from a completely different perspective instead of relying solely on the echo chamber narrative. Maybe we might learn something?
Trump really is impressive. His stamina attending rallies podcasts and interviews has been incredible. No days off for him. He did four yesterday alone.
Rogan remarked that he wandered in, did the whole 3hrs and wandered off again without so much as a pee break!
I hope I’m anywhere near as fit and cognisant as him at that age.
A reminder that the US Democratic Party sits about where the Tories are in the UK. They are not left by any stretch of the imagination.