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Europe is going the same way. Far right govts in Italy, Austria, Hungary. Far right parties on the brink of power in places like France and advancing rapidly in the UK, Germany and others. We’re just a few years behind the US, but the one thing we can guarantee is that liberal centrist parties across Europe will not learn the lessons in the same way that the Democrats have failed to.
That last bit I can agree with. The "non-right" parties have to stop offering a less extreme version of the right and start offering a proper vision of an alternative, fairer society.
you mean the economy that’s been outperforming every other g7 nation massively in the last three years?
See comment above. People don't care about GDP if they don't see the benefits of it. The GDP growth over the Biden administration has primarily benefitted the rich asset holding classes while working and middle class people have seen their cost of living massively impacted by inflation and stagnant wages. That's why Trump's primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP. He's even suggested taking control of interest rates off the Fed. Obviously no one knows if he'll deliver what he's promised but the Democrats were only offering more of the same.
How many of the states are actually counted? How much is the current picture due to exit polls? I am still harbouring the hope (in desperation) that exit polls might not reflect the women's vote, they may not want to reveal they voted for Harris to anyone.
I'm struggling to articulate how riled I am this morning. Xxxx trump, but more importantly xxxx every one of the people who voted for him...
Especially Musk..
That’s why Trump’s primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP
Trump promised sweeping tax cuts.... For the very richest
And tariffs that will send inflation through the roof
I think crisshairs point about podcasts is valid, you can become an 'expert' on something by listening to a 3hr rogan podcast , it's empowering even if your new knowledge absolute nonsense
7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)…what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?
My understanding is with the current results the way they are those remaining states (probably just enough for Harris to win) at currently heavily in favour of Trump in the votes counted thus far.
Are you sure about that?
Yeah. Vance will do the same extreme right stuff Trump will do, but without the general chaos and risk of provoking China into war along with it. At least that's my "hope", such as it is.
7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)…what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?
Is the right question.
Folk need to understand just how complicated US Elections are - in fact Farage talking to Ferrari on LBC pretty much said the same thing, to quote "they have a terrible system here..., they can't run elections that Americans can trust".
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I don't thinks it's based on exit polls. He has 266 declared wins so far with 270 needed to win. I think it's in the bag because he won most of the swing states
my OH was explaining to me yesterday that their FPTP system is worse than ours, so when a states seats are counted, the winner takes all the seats.
back in 2000 Apparently Al Gore had more votes than Bush, but Bush won some states that had a lot of seats, so that over ruled it.
Clutching at straws perhaps, but wouldnt the whole global outlook over the past 20 years have been different, if we hadnt had Bush?
ill be interested to see how many votes this boils down to (though it looks pretty clear cut actually)
My theory is its all just media noise. Trump wasnt off the front page for his previous tenure. Constant gaffs, criticism etc. But bad news is still news. Hardly a peep with Biden. Nothing of significance either way, other than stumbling down some steps a few times.
He didn't start any wars last time and he didn't crash any economies either.
The doom mongering propaganda has already started with ironically, nothing to back it up.
No wars is a good thing, right?
I don't have the numbers but apparently he is winning the popular vote as well.
No wars is a good thing, right?
That very much depends on how you deal with the wars that have already started.
Yeah, seem to be 7 results left to declare and between them all there are 53 'things'...Kamala needs 51 'things' to hit the 270. I suspect it would be a phenomenal result if this all fell into place and he was pipped at the post, but it isn't looking likely.
Does anyone know where I can watch The View on British TV/online? It’s going to be a cracker…
If Trump gives the Taliban $40billon of USA war machinery he’ll be doing twice as well as Biden did ?
Biden wasn’t some benign old granddad who escaped controversy- he was the globalists baby-sniffing war monger puppet of choice.
Apologies if this has already been covered else where, but seeing as Trump looks the likely winner, is he allowed to stand again in 2028? I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don't know if it's two terms in a lifetime or not.
Yeah. Vance will do the same extreme right stuff Trump will do, but without the general chaos
Personally I think Vance is far more dangerous than Trump, project 25 and the implications that go with it would be a scary prospect for the world. I can excuse Trump for actions based on lack of intelligence, Vance on the other hand has a brain and a plan to go with it.
Wouldn't be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.
is he allowed to stand again in 2028?
No(t yet)
Not unless he repeals the 22nd Amendment. But then I guess Obama would also be available.
I don't see him surviving the term, tbh, so it's not a relevant question.
If Trump gives the Taliban $40billon of USA war machinery he’ll be doing twice as well as Biden did ?
Given Trump boasted that the deal he had done with the Taliban couldnt be undone by Biden and was right I think he deserves the credit for handing them the kit.
Its only once it became apparent what a dumb idea it was that it miraculously didnt have anything to do with him.
I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not.
Its two terms full stop and is a constitutional amendment. So not impossible to change but hard.
seeing as Trump looks the likely winner, is he allowed to stand again in 2028? I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not.
As numerous right wing election winners have demonstrated already, those two term limits can be changed.
He has a 1 in 3 chance of being dead by then.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.
Just like believing tory leaders are slaves to the headbangers is a myth, I am not so sure there is a "Machiavellian" team of geniuses behind Trump ready to take over, I think it is him and everyone just holding onto his coat tails hoping to luck out from the chaos, in fact I suspect if they were capable of that, they would be the last to be appointed to team Trump.
Personally I think Vance is far more dangerous than Trump, project 25 and the implications that go with it would be a scary prospect for the world. I can excuse Trump for actions based on lack of intelligence, Vance on the other hand has a brain and a plan to go with it.
I reckon they'll get to the same point, just with more chaos and much higher risk of China making a move on Taiwan, or Ukraine collapsing.
my OH was explaining to me yesterday that their FPTP system is worse than ours, so when a states seats are counted, the winner takes all the seats.
Electoral College votes. Except in Nebraska (I think) where they split them (Harris 1, Trump 4)
PA still hasn't declared, and in theory Harris could still take it, but it's pretty unlikely. Same with Georgia as far as I can make out.
I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not
2 terms total, unless they get made president by order of succession.
Unless you have such a hold on the entire country that you can change the constitution.
As numerous right wing election winners have demonstrated already, those two term limits can be changed.
Complicated: they'd need to change the Constitution, and that's not an easy task. Of course, while they were at it they could remove the "born in the USA" bit, which would allow someone like Musk to run... so perhaps it's not 100% impossible.
Unless you have such a hold on the entire country that you can change the constitution.
Or ignore it.
No he can't unless he changes the constitution....
Wouldn’t be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.
My bet is 24 months, based on succession rules - that would give him 10 years to implement the Republic of Gilead (seems to be the goal of P2025)
There is a fair chance that he will have both Senate and Congress as well as the presidency. And he has complete control of the supreme court. He can do what the hell he wants.
He didn’t start any wars last time and he didn’t crash any economies either.
The doom mongering propaganda has already started with ironically, nothing to back it up.
No wars is a good thing, right?
He didn't need to, he managed to kill more Americans at home than has been lost fighting in all the wars since Vietnam. Just remember how the man responded to a crisis he didn't know anything about and didn't really care about. That's the man who's back in charge.
They don't need to change the constitution, they only need to change the (supreme court's) interpretation of the constitution.
What is a "natural-born" citizen anyway? Wasn't Musk born naturally?
I don’t have the numbers but apparently he is winning the popular vote as well.
BBC page has the vote split at the top - currently 47.3% to 51.1% in favour of the stuffed sausage.
He didn’t need to, he managed to kill more Americans at home than has been lost fighting in all the wars since Vietnam. Just remember how the man responded to a crisis he didn’t know anything about and didn’t really care about. That’s the man who’s back in charge.
I was given quite a bit of grief on here when I didn't quite manage to wish Trump well when he got a spot of covid himself and spent some time in hospital. Given what we now know about what his administration did for the covid response in the US and the potential death toll globally his election now is forecast to instigate......was I wrong? For the greater good, would a dead Trump in 2020 not have been a good thing? Hindsight and all that.
What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?
Born in America.
I was referring to term limits, but the interpretation of law must be backed up by similar rulings in international law.
International law has no bearing on US law or its constitution.
Wasn’t Musk born naturally?
Seems to have been assembled, badly