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Forgive my ignorance, but in a divided country with such polarized views, is there scope for a democratic state such as California to seek independance?
No, they’ve bought into a narrative that says all their problems are caused by illegal immigrants and foreigners.
Yawn. Yes they're all racists. We get it. See my comment above though. Why are they racist or have sympathy with that narrative? Because the political system doesn't serve them. They see other people benefitting from either goverment largesse or economic growth while their own experience is higher prices, lower wages and ever increasing economic insecurity. People don't have room in their heads to worry about things like racism and other 'woke' issues when they can't afford to feed their families. That's why the Hispanic vote has flipped to Trump.
Anyway I'm out. I can see this thread/forum going down another sneering and patronising rabbit hole of 'look what the rednecks have done!' outrage. I bet everyone in Kamala Harris's campaign HQ is thinking the same right now. That's why they lost.
That's a pretty depressing thing to wake up to. Like @supernova, the only positive I can get from this is:
... that the rest of the world and particularly Europe stops following Americas lead and starts to do stuff for itself.
And yeah: the left needs to up its game. Stop playing so nice.
We voted Boris, they voted Trump. We are not so different.
We didn't vote for him twice though...
Well, that's a balanced and erudite outpouring.
You lefties are nothing but vacuous hate filled liars.
There are no lefties on here. Probably only a few on the entire forum, but not on this thread so far.
Oh the leader of the free world is doing an amazing speech here
The talking about the rocket was worrying to say the least .
TBH you can see his appeal to the un educated American man
dunno how complicated it really is....i expect plenty of 'folks' thought to themselves that they felt better off in 2018 and that was where the thinking ended.
The only thing Europe is getting closer too is not a love in with the UK.
Well, if Starmer needed any more potent reason to move closer to the EU, there it is.
You're joking aren't you? Just watch, he's going to follow in the wake of every PM before him and stick his nose as far up Trumps backside as he can tolerate. He has no choice, the UK always falls in line and does what it's told.
What fantastic news to wake up to. Great result for Donny, his country and the world.
MAGA MAGA MAGA
Off for a celebratory bike ride.
It’s a real shame too that the American system allows $16bn dollars to be spent on election campaigns. That’s disgusting (both sides)
Think it's pretty much all been said but just watching him rambling on, turns out up until a couple of weeks ago he hadn't even heard of starlink. At least he's not completely out of touch with the world on top of everything else....
As if the news is not bad enough, but we also get Dazh trolling.
Looks like Trump has it in the bag now - declaring victory early as youd expect.
Its very clear the majority of American voters are indeed bonkers.
YMCA as his anthem will never not be both hilarious and utterly perplexing...
turns out up until a couple of weeks ago he hadn’t even heard of starlink. At least he’s not completely out of touch with the world on top of everything else….
Now we wait to see how long until his backers invoke the 25th and install Vance.
Its very clear the majority of American voters are indeed wa
bonkers.
Oh give over. See above, all they’ve done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven’t benefitted from economic growth.
That argument might hold water if Trump hadn't previously been president. I don't think the majority was doing so well then, either. The fact is, they know what they're getting so it's hard to see how this is a protest vote.
Yawn. Yes they’re all racists. We get it.
Do you? Doesn't sound like it. Anyway - as fascinating as it is to plough through this same tiresome old shit for the millionth time, I'll leave you to your celebrations over this triumph of democracy.
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What fantastic news to wake up to. Great result for Donny, his country and the world.MAGA MAGA MAGA
Off for a celebratory bike ride.
I know I shouldn't but I do hope your bike snaps in half. And that you're completely unhurt and just sit in a puddle and have a good think about what a silly little boy you are.
People don’t have room in their heads to worry about things like racism and other ‘woke’ issues when they can’t afford to feed their families.
Looking at the size of most of them, the one thing they can most assuredly do is feed themselves and their families, many times over in fact.
Well, that's a more unsettled future globally.
I agree that a lot of his supporters know what they are voting for, they are doing it for reasons they see as important.
I do think, like brexshit, there are a raft of unintended consequences.
Let's see what the financial markets react like.
The worst bit today will be seeing his smug orange face and overblown sense of importance being paraded for all to see. He doesn't do statesmanlike.
Let's see what the financial markets react like
Now we wait to see how long until his backers invoke the 25th and install Vance.
Better Vance than Trump.
financial markets will go up because, tax cuts for the rich. That’s what they do.
Dunno, the markets aren't generally big fans of uncertainty. And Trump is anything but reliable.
I’ll leave you to your celebrations over this triumph of democracy.
There's nothing to celebrate other than the fact voters will always vote against people who take them for granted.
BTW I note Harris didn't even have the grace to speak to all the supporters who turned out for her supposed victory party. Just about says it all really.
One of the biggest stories is the shift in influence away from the MSM to the independent outlets.
Turns out that when the Globalist media machine goes from “Biden is perfectly coherent and Kamala is a crazy nut job” to “All hail our new democratically elected queen Kamala (Biden, Biden who?)” in about five minutes- people get red pilled into realising that maybe, just maybe, the news isn’t what it used to be!
Podcasts won Trump this election.
If he does half the things he's promised, he'll trash the world's economy and probably start WW3. I'm really baffled by anyone thinking that this is a good idea.
It's just depressing in so many ways.
If he does half the things he’s promised, he’ll trash the world’s economy and probably start WW3.
He doesn't care about the world's economy, only America's, that's why he was elected.
He'll leave the wars to everyone but America (apart from Israel of course). Ukraine is now Europe's problem, so I suppose we'll see just how committed Europe and the UK are now.
@teenrat is there scope for a democratic state such as California to seek independence?
Yes, well, sort of. I believe all the other states have to approve its cessation. They can't unilaterally say "we're off, bye!" They're also royally buggered right now with many, many internal problems. Some of their own making, some historical (my life is terrible, I'm going to head west and become a bum) and some from former little tech start-ups that are no longer little in any way and crave low tax, low regulation, low moral environments such as Texas.
But he’ll trash that too.
Define 'trash'. See that Tim Shipman tweet I posted above - https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1854055061925560448 . In America a healthy economy doesn't mean higher nationwide GDP growth, it means working and middle class people having more money in their pockets. At the end of 4 years of Biden the perception was that they had less even thoughg the economy supposedly prospered, and they voted accordingly.
If he does half the things he’s promised, he’ll trash the world’s economy and probably start WW3
I think the issue there would be the use of 'world' in that reasoning; belief in American exceptionalism results in not really caring about anything else, other than (often perceived) threats, or that the rest of the inferior world can fall into line and follow the greatest nation on Earth.
It was utterly predictable, and completely expected, if you go along with the idea that a country as divided, and at odds with itself over so many basic issues, would ever vote for a woman of colour who represents the established order.
Trump has tapped into the psyche of people who don't have much interest in the nuances of politics, but a belief in the core issues they feel affect them. Those issues are (in my opinion) often erroneous, based on political and media spin or manipulation, and can be dismissed with only a cursory search online - but that's academic if the alternative (and Biden in particular during his term) aren't up to the job. We suffered with it in the UK from 2015 onwards.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même... possibly.
Mudslinging aside, if Trump wants to leave and not be labelled as a disaster those exit pollings seem to suggest that the priority needs to be the economic prosperity of working and middle class people (US definitions). How's he going to do that then?
BTW I note Harris didn’t even have the grace to speak to all the supporters who turned out for her supposed victory party. Just about says it all really.
It says they didn’t show the footage.
Better Vance than Trump.
Are you sure about that?
He doesn’t care about the world’s economy, only America’s, that’s why he was elected
you mean the economy that's been outperforming every other g7 nation massively in the last three years? The economy doesn't need fixing, society does.
it means working and middle class people having more money in their pockets
And how did that work out for them last time? He will only benefit the rich, the poor will get poorer. Much poorer. But they will be happy because they owned the libs. Maybe they'll be able to get jobs as concentration camp guards.
7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)...what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?