You're a couple of pages too late for the A10 discussion, plus we got told off by @grum, so it's off to the naughty step for you!
Christian values?
As if Jesus would order a military invasion of another country...!!!
Christian values?
As if Jesus would order a military invasion of another country…!!!
I don't think we can say how he would react if he felt vaguely threatened by NATO, though.
"You’re a couple of pages too late for the A10 discussion, plus we got told off by @grum, so it’s off to the naughty step for you!"
Or the Airfix thread!
So proxy wars were fought
Thank you Professor Obvious. So back to Putin, Russia and the fear of NATO expansion, so his behaviour hasn't changed because or despite NATO, you agree to that (after all it's just standard proxy war behaviour) he's acted with impunity along his border with no detrimental effect to himself or the oligarchs that support him . The states that have joined EU or NATO have prospered safe in the knowledge that Russia will be reluctant to invade, so again, how has NATO "expansion" put us in this position? You yourself have pointed out that it's made no difference.
Weird conversation.
Can you guys post the sites where you are getting info on what is happening other than the obvious ones like the BBC and Sky News
cheers
I'm interested to know that with the two Oligarchs frothing about EU lies with regard to their relationship with Putin, whether thats a good thing or not - they aren't siding from us but are they distancing from Putin as well?
Also, with cyber attacks now at UK Banks, military hardware being provided by multiple countries - its hard to see how WW3 can be avoided now. There's some comfort in that a big part of the world is on-side, but little comfort that within 20-30 minutes of some nervous people working in a Silo pressing a button there is no world.
I'm beginning to think I should have moved out of London sooner than I planned.
try some of these -
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical
https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox
https://twitter.com/RALee85
Sorry, the forum has 'helpfully' embedded all those links!
Mikeypies Peter Caddick Adams on twitter is a good source. Well balanced and insightful…
Don't know if this is true but it could have a huge impact. Taking out their satellite intelligence
https://mobile.twitter.com/xxNB65/status/1498563301525102594?t=z-mr-g_ssSKzYuj2BzT4Ew&s=19
I have a feeling some old testament fire & brimstone would be en route.
I don’t think we can say how he would react if he felt vaguely threatened by NATO, though.
I'm getting a lot of info from reddit. But you have to take it with a healthy dose of scepticism
"I’m beginning to think I should have moved out of London sooner than I planned."
Given that London is where most of Putin's enablers live I reckon you'll be safe as houses,. In fact if you're renting, the odds are your home is already owned by a Russian.
I'm getting most of my info from on here.
Thus far, Chewkw has proven to be a better analyst than what I've seen on most of the BBC / Sky output etc...
Agreed, despite chewkw being an annoyance in a number of other threads his inputs here are good
I don't know whether this is a good take or not, point is that we really have no idea about Putin's state of mind.
https://twitter.com/SnellArthur/status/1498592847280451585
Although obviously not as up to date as Twitter I find the coverage from France24 & DW News much better than Sky/BBC.
Edit - I should add I’m just on a 24/7 YouTube binge cycle on the TV from Sky/BBC/DW/France24 with a few ‘Merican ones thrown in and sat with my phone in my hand looking at Twitter.
Don’t think this one was mentioned,
https://mobile.twitter.com/uaweapons
Agreed about recent posts from Chewkw in this thread. I haven't agreed with all his points, but they have been put well, and are of interest and relevant. Credit where credit is due. Keep it up please!
Al Jazeera has a live updates page that quite concise and up to date. FT should be on everyone's reading list for reportage and comment, as it's usually on the money (quite literally) and insightful.
Been round a few of those tweet threads. A Russian soldier texting his mum telling her they aren't on an exercise and it's a real war - shortly before being killed. He said that the locals were lying in front of tanks.
I wonder if the fact that Russian soldiers think they are the good guys or at least not the bad ones is why they aren't just driving the tanks over the civilians*
* which IIRC was what the US did in Iraq. Anyone remember those videos of armoured convoys speeding through the cities and mashing civillian cars out of the way with the civillians still in them just driving somewhere?
Others drawing parallels with Vietnam, with the Russians doing what the US did.
Any talk about the Russian army not being prepared or not being given direction I personally am taking as western propaganda.
For me this has followed how I would expect it to have. Smaller battles to show intent, allow the civilians who are going to leave to leave. Increase the artillery strikes while bringing forward your main battle troops.
Maybe some of the logistical errors being reported are correct, but ultimately it’s always just been a matter of time before we get to the point where the mass artillery and air strikes start. This then allows pretty much free reign for the infantry and tank battalions in the city.
I may be being incredibly pessimistic, and my heart really goes out to the people in Ukraine.
I’d also say that if I was Poland I’d be a bit nervous about what Putin may be thinking he will do next.
I’m beginning to think I should have moved out of London sooner than I planned.
Just don't move to Argyll.
I think the 'west' should say that all sanctions should remain in place until Putin is handed over for war crimes. Option for lamp post hanging.
I wondered earlier what the Russians would need to import for the war effort that they might find hard to get now. Semiconductors?
Earlier in the thread I asked how individuals can help. The BBC has a useful article showing charities with appeals currently in place and where the money goes - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60562260 (although strangely the Disasters Emergency Committee aren't involved yet).
Apparently you can also donate via the Ukrainian embassy ("With Ukraine" fund) in which case some of the money support the military, however the Ukrainian Embassy website was down (unless anyone has a working link).
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@Caher the thing is, Bush and Blair are free men (and incredibly wealthy). They did very a very similar act with the invasion of Iraq.
I’m former military so absolutely not a Putin sympathiser, as British as it gets, but our invasion was pretty much based on lies.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. But being a nuclear power really gives us (and Russia and the US) impunity to behave this way. No comeback to the cowardly bastards who send the troops in, ultimately it’s the civilians who are impacted the most, taking decades to get back to the previous normality, while the rich are just richer.
For a bit of perspective on historical events which have influenced Ukrainian attitudes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
That's just one. We were in Kyiv four years ago and I sh;t you not, we'd turn a new corner and there would be ANOTHER memorial to something dreadful where thousands (or more!) died. Poor buggers can't seem to catch a break.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. But being a nuclear power really gives us (and Russia and the US) impunity to behave this way.
I was talking to someone about this recently. Can you imagine how popular the invasion of Iraq would have been if the Iraqis had looked like us, spoke the same language as us, and had access to twitter/FB/instagram/TikTok etc?
Obviously, the Russian government can counter this with their state broadcasters but surely ordinary people must be getting bombarded with almost live videos and images.
sorry if bindun, Johnson press conference.
https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1498621118076309506?s=20&t=AJGO3e1B9CN8ZsaynHnqVw
Can you imagine how popular the invasion of Iraq would have been if the Iraqis had looked like us
The invasion of Iraq was popular?!
I don't want to watch that scumbag. What happens? Someone heckles him I presume?
Surprised he didn't pull the normal face he pulls when he's being criticised in public.
Can you imagine how popular the invasion of Iraq would have been if the Iraqis had looked like us, spoke the same language as us, and had access to twitter/FB/instagram/TikTok etc?
Or how much support the population would have, if we were broadcasting unpixilated pictures of children being blown up in their bedrooms from our missile strikes gone astray, or due to incorrect intelligence ?.
The invasion of Iraq was popular?!
Of course it was. As i certainly dont remember many headlines saying STOP THE WAR.
There were some people, but they were demonized in the press and in public social media forums.
I don’t want to watch that scumbag. What happens? Someone heckles him I presume?
Someone asked him a proper question requiring a committal answer. But we all know how far that's likely to get with Johnson
He essentially went as close to a war zone as he dared (ie: nowhere near), to host a press conference where he said absolutely nothing at all.
Basically, he's now competing with Instagram Liz for photo ops
Thats where we're at as a country.
Global Briain, eh?
I was talking to someone about this recently. Can you imagine how popular the invasion of Iraq would have been if the Iraqis had looked like us, spoke the same language as us, and had access to twitter/FB/instagram/TikTok etc?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36746453
The invasion of Iraq was popular?!
It was popular enough that Blair and Bush didn't end up swinging from a lamp post.
While the majority may have been against the 'war', both Bush and Blair were re-elected afterwards. Nevermind forcibly removed from office by a popular uprising.
Given that even he surely can’t be blind to effect he’s had on world opinion and the isolation of Russia by the rest of the world over the last few days, to even conceive that this would be a winning bet he could pull off. He would (by launching a strike onto a European capital or target) lay Russia open to far more devastating retaliatory attacks.
I'm a few pages behind today, but I feel it's worth mentioning that Putin is on record saying that a world with no Russia isn't worth having.
He's properly insane.
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So Johnson just confirmed the UK won't go to war with Russia in that clip. What does that mean if NATO does?
The invasion of Iraq was popular?!
Of course it was. As i certainly dont remember many headlines saying STOP THE WAR
Just a million people marching on the streets against a war?
I’m a few pages behind today, but I feel it’s worth mentioning that Putin is on record saying that a world with no Russia isn’t worth having.
No one in the West is proposing a World without Russia. But it would be nice if it had a functioning democracy and didn't swan about invading neighbouring countries.
I wonder if Ukraine have got their application to join NATO in yet.
That's the depressing thing about it, all those people and it still wasn't enough to stop it or to hold him to account.
Iraq certainly changed my outlook on my chosen career & politics soon after, not many good memories of 2008-2010.