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According to the BPA figures, and we know they never lie, there were 1.8 million private tickets issued in 2011, of which approx. 31% went unpaid, so that's about 550,000.As only 845 resulted in court claims, and only 49 of those actually reached court, you don't have to be Rachel Riley to work out the odds of anything happening if you ignore them.
On the internerd so FACT
As it happens I have a client who has a number of car parks and they are plagued by people parking and not paying
Well that explains a lot. Is it really a plague, or does your client actually make more money out of "fining" people than from the normal parking charges (as is generally the case with the pay&display/fine business model)? How do you feel about "fining" somebody 1,000 times the cost of buying a ticket for the overstay when they've only overstayed for 15 minutes?
We own a property which includes in the deed a private off road parking plot outside. We also pay business rates to the local council for the property including the plot of land for parking outside (I guess it increases the rateable value).
I'm with partyboy, I'll park on your private driveway and see how you like it.
Doesn't really matter if it's owned or rented IMO, The owner/tennent will be paying for the privilege thru business rates and/or rents. You just take the p1ss.
You appear to have not read the OP
He was parked in a retail park, not someone's driveway.
To be fair, I think there could be a place for private parking companies.
But they need policing, and not by themselves. Too many of them are a bunch of pirates with no interest in parking management, just bullying money out of people.
i've read that because the fine is on private land it is unenforceable
While we are at it. Isn't the above more strictly related to third parties trying to enforce charges.
The land owner has a right to form a contract, but not a parking company operating on someone else's land?
What would be a valid estimation of losses is another matter again.
I know and doesn't matter, it's still private land that someone owns or is paying for one way or another. Parking on someone's private driveway was an example of how is should be viewed by you/us.He was parked in a retail park, not someone's driveway.
It does need better guidelines/laws, rather than just seen as a civil issue. landowner should be protected equally tho.
It does matter, as the locations have very different intended uses.
Parking on someone's private driveway was an example of how is should be viewed by you/us.
No - it's a strawman. You might as well suggest riding through somebody's garden is the same as riding cheeky trails in the woods.
It does need better guidelines/laws, rather than just seen as a civil issue.
You're suggesting criminalising people parking on private land? 😯
Free parking in retail parks is there to generate revenue through custom.
Free parking on someone's driveway is there to generate animosity.
Don't pay. They will go away however in the unlikely event they took you to court you could challenge the signage as it should be up to "red hand standard" which states that there should be very clear signs throughout the car park that would be impossible to not notice.
Then if that failed you could go down the road of proving that the fine is out of proportion to the business they would likely have lost due to your parking.
But seriously don’t even respond, they will go away. Also you could take them to court for harassment if they go too far.
Good Luck
If there are still any shops open near the carpark in question it might be worth letting them know and they can warn their customers or whinge at the parking company. If the landowners really don't want people using the spaces - that's what pallisade fences are for.
I know and doesn't matter, it's still private land that someone owns or is paying for one way or another. Parking on someone's private driveway was an example of how is should be viewed by you/us.
It does need better guidelines/laws, rather than just seen as a civil issue. landowner should be protected equally tho.
Of course it matters! It's up to the landowner to put up clear signage, and pay points, if they want to continue to raise revenue, not some third-party with no real legal powers, just threats and dodgy 'fines/invoices'
'little wife in tears'? With a description that derogatory I'm surprised she's not in tears all the time! That is all!
Don't be so quick to judge, how do you know that he doesn't have a 'big' wife and a 'medium' wife tucked away who haven't had the upset of a parking fine?! 😆
It the quiet wife we are all looking for 😉
A very simple solution to such situations....
but i suppose i could pay 90p hour at the council c.p
90p? is that to much to ask to park? sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Personally I couldn't be bothered to drive around looking for alternatives to avoid the 90p parking charge.
Next time pay the 90p, be happy that you have done the right thing. Then you will avoid getting letters and "poor little wifey" being in tears in the first place.
I have a small car park that is used by employees and customers of a couple of retail premises i let out.
I get sick of people parking in my car park,which i pay for and maintain,then toddling off to the local post office or next door to the doctors surgery ( which has a large car park but my parking is nearer the entrance).
Sign's,threatening or polite,make no difference at all because some people believe they have a right to park where they want.Its not worth me policing it and i've had big problems in the past with lack of parking spaces for the employees.
Its also parking across the entrance to the car park and on the pedestrian crossing in front of my property.
joe, I honestly sympathize. Which I why the industry needs a genuine watchdog, and one with teeth.
Most of the complaints that get raised about private parking companies aren't about people getting nabbed for parking in driveways and employees car parks. People who do such things are nobbers. The complaints come from people being charged £120+ for having a wheel on a white line, or overstaying in a retail car park by 15 minutes, or poorly displayed permits when parked exactly where you are supposed to be parked.
Too many cowboys out there, and no one reeling them in.
Dear Costello
May I ask, is your "little wife" actually physically smaller than an average wife?
Or is it a term you use for wives of all sizes?
aye-aye - Member
Dear Costello
May I ask, is your "little wife" actually physically smaller than an average wife?
Or is it a term you use for wives of all sizes?
She's not your wife, so why do [i]you[/i] care? It matters not in the slightest to me, as she's not connected to me in any way. Are you one of those people who likes to get all offended on behalf of others, by any chance?
What size is your wife/husband?
Dunno about CZ's partner. But my girlfriend is 5 foot 2, this makes her quite little. Relative to me.
Is this ok with you?
Seems quite strange you'd be interested but hey ho.
We got out of one at work by just denying that we owned the van.
aye-aye - Member
What size is your wife/husband?
Are you asking me? Not relevant. As it happens, I don't have a significant other, but all my previous g/f's have been shorter than me, but then I'm 6'.
But as I say, it's not relevant, as we're talking about the OP.
If it's any help to this little sub-plot of trying very hard to be offended on someone else's behalf, my little wife is 5'2" - her nickname is actually Little Bear. Should I go and tell her to be offended because some handwringer on STW has their nappy in a twist?
Well said, zokes.
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Aye-aye, upset on someone else's behalf, yesterday!
That's not me.
That's my little wife.
If it's any help to this little sub-plot of trying very hard to be offended on someone else's behalf, my little wife is 5'2" - her nickname is actually Little Bear. Should I go and tell her to be offended because some handwringer on STW has their nappy in a twist?
I've ssen pics of your wife, Zokes. She's more than little bare
*Slow hand clap*
😉
To the OP - don't pay it, it will blow over. Been there, done that, it disappeared eventually.
Re the subplot/'little wife' saga:
The OP's use of words did strike me as definitely quite strange and possibly indicative of some 1950's attitude to 'the little woman indoors' and all that.
But there's absolutely nothing wrong with someone being offended on behalf of someone else. Especially when the 'someone else' does not have a voice in the current discussion. Even if the person it originally referred to was not offended - this does not preclude other people being offended by a certain use of language. It may not be cause for huge moral outrage (which no one has really expressed here anyway) but if someone finds that use of language odd or offensive in some way that's their perogative. Why would anyone else have a problem with this? If no one ever spoke about about the things they find offensive or troubling then a lot of important developments would never have taken place.
Plus, speaking up gives the OP a chance to explain themselves and we all learn a valuable lesson about communication.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with someone being offended on behalf of someone else
In that case, I'm offended (on behalf of Costello) at words like [i]bullying [/i]and [i]dispicable[/i] being thrown around due to one little word being taken out of context or being blown out of all proportion.
Plus, speaking up gives the OP a chance to explain themselves and we all learn a valuable lesson about communication.
Maybe we all will, but it's more likely we'll learn how many folk have a chip on their shoulder or unresolved issues they need to deal with.
Someone said somethng about ...
Rachel Riley
At that point I lost interest in parking fines.
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I'm not remotely offended by use of the phrase 'little wife' but it's definitely patronising and demeaning. Zokes - you have a nickname for your wife, fine, but would you really refer to her as that amongst a group of people you didn't know?
All this 'being offended on someone's behalf' stuff is a bit of a smokescreen tbh when people don't have actual reasons to justify their behaviour/attitudes. Quite an easy way to deflect justified criticism.
[whine] I'm offended on behalf of Stephen Fry due to you referring to folk being offended on someone's behalf as a smokescreen. [/whine]
Maybe we all will, but it's more likely we'll learn how many folk have a chip on their shoulder or unresolved issues they need to deal with.
Quite.
Well well, it's all a bit odd, isn't it.
A couple of people have got offended on behalf of someone else who they think may be offended by a [i]question[/i] that they think may be offensive to another person.
Some people have noted that the term "little wife" [i]could[/i] be construed as a derogatory term. ie "little Bush" a derogatory term used by some opponents of George W Bush.
No-one other than the OP knows why he referred to his wife as "little wife" in the thread title. It may be because he wanted to help portray his wife as a victim in the car park story, hence also using "poor wife" in the thread.
Or it may be because she is physically small.
I am not offended, never was, I promise, I really don't get offended by what other people say. Freedom of speech etc
What a man, who i've never met, calls his wife is absolutely none of my business.
BUT when someone refers to his wife on an open public forum in a way that is confusing, I believe it's ok to be [i]intrigued[/i]
I am always intrigued when people treat other people differently, by default, because they have slightly different skin pigmentation, or boobs. I just find it odd.
There we go, I was intrigued, and asked a question. Is that ok? I'm not sure any more.
I hope this post hasn't offended anyone
Seems like the people getting most offended are those who are complaining about others they've decided are offended (none of whom have actually said they are offended).
Seems like the people getting most offended are those who are complaining about others they've decided are offended (none of whom have actually said they are offended).
This
can we have a show of hands for anyone who was actually offended?
I'm not offended. It's happened to me on here though, I posted a picture of my then 'Girlfriend' who at the time was about 53 & some buffoon said 'well she may be a nice enough person but she's definately not a girl' The said buffoon obviously couldn't grasp the fact that 'ladyfriend' or 'womanfriend' sounds ridiculous. I could've said 'partner' but didn't.
Anyway, this forum is an excellent example of buffoonishnes, as always.
Seems like the people getting most offended are those who are complaining about others they've decided are offended (none of whom have actually said they are offended).
Semantic bollox...
🙂
In all seriousness, I don't think any of this is of any help to the OP, so best to butt-out now.
BTW, I'm not offended buy very much in life TBH, and certainly not by a written point of view of someone I've never met.
buffoonishnes
Sorry. Guilty as charged.
(good word, well used)