[Closed] UKIP's 'Common Sense' bus hits Portsmouth Railway Station.

They elevate a few ethnic minorty individuals around them to their level. That's still racist thinking.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

It kind of amuses me how this contrasts with some middle-class people who vehemently deny they are racist and then show obvious prejudges towards black people.

Oh dear.

They elevate a few ethnic minorty individuals around them to their level. That's still racist thinking.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about people who claim to be racist, ie don't like black people, and yet provide no evidence to back it up, eg they have plenty of black friends and acquaintances. It's based on more on what they feel they "ought" to say and is their duty to say. It's not actually based on reality.

And it is, where it exists, a predominately working class attitude. As I say in the case of the middle-classes, where it exists, the hypocrisy goes in the opposite direction.

Oh dear.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about people who claim to be racist, ie don't like black people, and yet provide no evidence to back it up, eg they have plenty of black friends and acquaintances. It's based on more on what they feel they "ought" to say and is their duty to say. It's not actually based on reality.

My experience is that these types are actually racist but make excuses for themselves for people that they know "He's alright, he's not one of them proper somalian immigrants". They will still happily vote for racist policies.

You can be racist and have black friends.

As since we're playing the "I don't agree with what you're saying but can't think of anything to say"....

grum - Member

Oh dear.

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It's difficult to know where to start with such ridiculous baseless nonsense really.

Tom_W has explained it pretty well but if you can't understand I guess there's no helping you.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

Suggesting that this attitude proves someone is not racist is utterly stupid.

I realise you're trying to fit things into your 'working class good, middle-class bad' prejudices, but this is really idiotic.

Oh I'm sorry grum did I upset your middle-class sensibilities by pointing the common hypocrisy of middle-class people who claim not to be racist ? You sound a little upset.

Someone who claims "not to like black people" and has lots of black friends is clearly not being honest. Because the minute they've got a black friend they are immediately proving that it is "the individual" which counts, not their colour. It is an attitude which exists although it is not necessarily that widespread, I've known cases.

If you can't understand that then "I guess there's no helping you".

EDIT : [i]I realise you're trying to fit things into your 'working class good, middle-class bad' prejudices, but this is really idiotic. [/i]

I'm hardly suggesting that it's a good attitude to have 😆

Someone who claims "not to like black people" and has lots of black friends is clearly not being honest.

Oh so now it's 'lots of black friends' eh? 😆

You're clearly not a stupid person, so I'm not sure why you're making such daft arguments.

Because the minute they've got a black friend they are immediately proving that it is "the individual" which counts, not their colour.

They're still applying their racism to all the other black people in the world though. Is this really that difficult for you to grasp? Or is it just that it's the good old 'salt of the earth' working-class racism which you can identify with so it's fine?

I thought being racy and sexy was considered a good thing?

OK grum you have never heard someone make a racist comment despite not being racist.

I guess that in your little politically correct world this sort of thing doesn't happened.

However in my experience of working in environments which not very politically correct such as building sites I have heard racist remarks made by people who were not necessarily racist, ie, they showed no prejudices against black people. I've also heard people making homophobic remarks despite not feeling any animosity towards gay people - how shocking is that ?

I know all this is beyond the comprehension of your politically correct addled mind, but that's how it is.

That's not what you said though is it. You're completely moving the goalposts again.

Quite amusing to be told how PC I am - people that know me well would disagree I think.

It is exactly what I said. What people say does not necessarily reflect what they really feel. Sometimes people aren't even honest to themselves.

Quite amusing to be told how PC I am - people that know me well would disagree I think.

I base my comments purely on what you post on here. For all I know you might be a homophobic bigoted racist in real life.

However in my experience of working in environments which not very politically correct such as building sites I have heard racist remarks made by people who were not necessarily racist, ie, they showed no prejudices against black people. I've also heard people making homophobic remarks despite not feeling any animosity towards gay people - how shocking is that ?

That's a different kettle of fish, I get this as I've worked in a kitchen where everyone liked each other but they would racially abuse each other in a light hearted fashion. It's contextual but that doesn't mean the guys you know aren't racist - in all likelihood if someone says they are racist, they probably are.

I wasn't talking about light-hearted banter.

if someone says they are racist, they probably are

Well that's an improvement.....it's down to "probably" now. I think I can agree with that.

So anyway, getting back to the point I was making.......[i]While many might well be described as racist not all necessarily are.[/i]

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't

They are still racist though just not to everyone in that group
If someone says they are racists it is probably fair to say they are even if they have one or two friends from other races....or many as it is now

Its true that some middle class people may be racist as well and some working class salt of the earth folk can be prejudiced about the middle classes - I bet even you ernie probably know one or two you think are all right 😉

Now can we be a little less piss takey ?

I'm racist, i hate racing, can't we all just ride for fun?

Good point dabble. It's not a race to the cafe ffs.

I wasn't talking about light-hearted banter.

If someone uses a racial insult in anger, then they are racist. They might not display it on an every day to day basis though.

Junkyards explanation was pretty good.

I thought being racy and sexy was considered a good thing?

If someone uses a racial insult in anger, then they are racist.

Really ? I've used racial insults in anger. And on the basis that I don't consider myself a racist I can't agree with you. I've even got some black friends !

I've even got some black friends !

Oh cmon Ernie "I'm not a racist I've got black friends..." Lynch.....really?

Or was that a troll?

Well you work it out. Remember, I'm also opposed to the EU and its policy of unrestricted immigration. I think the case against me is starting to stack up. What do you reckon ?

I think the case against me is starting to stack up

God help you if anyone reads your Motorcycle Diaries!

From the Grauniad...

[i]ComRes poll shows Ukip at 38% for European election, 11 points ahead of Labour

A new poll suggests Ukip are soaring ahead in the European elections. These are the figures from a ComRes poll for ITN released today, showing the voting intention of those who say they are certain to vote.

Ukip: 38% (up 8 points from ComRes in early April)

Labour: 27% (down 3)

Conservatives: 18% (down 4)

Lib Dems: 8% (no change)
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I still believe it's the biggest protest vote ever.

I'm also opposed to the EU and its policy of unrestricted immigration

The EU doesn't have a policy of unrestricted immigration: the number of people dying trying to cross the frontier into Spain and Italy should make that clear.

Oh I'm sorry grum did I upset your middle-class sensibilities by pointing the common hypocrisy of middle-class people who claim not to be racist ?

Classist nonsense surely?

I still believe it's the biggest protest vote ever.

Unless today is the 23rd of May I don't believe that's true.

The [i]opinion poll[/i] you're referring to includes only those certain to vote, which boosts UKIP support as their voters tend to be more enthusiastic than others. If those who are likely to vote are included it cuts UKIP lead.

There's little doubt that UKIP will do well on the 22sd but I would wait til then before describing it as the biggest protest vote ever. Or perhaps you think we shouldn't actually bother with voting ?

ernie I usually agree with a lot of what you say but not sure where you are going with .....

I've explained exactly what I mean, if you prefer the simplistic "if they sound racist then they must be" attitude, then I would go for that. There's no need to agree with me on everything 🙂

Although even Tom eventually conceded that if someone says they're racist then they are [i]probably[/i] racist, which was the point that I was making, ie, it isn't definitive.

At least you know what you're going to get if UKIP do well in the Euro elections.UKIP MEPs who take the substantial pay from an organistaion they don't think should exist,don't bother to turn up to debate or vote and like to keep their noses buried deep in the Euro expenses trough.So much for a party so vocifeorus in it's criticism of the Westminster establishment.

I think UKIP's hypocrisy is well documented. Unfortunately a significant minority of the electorate choose to ignore it.

And to be fair the hypocrisy of other political parties has been ignored/tolerated. So no change there.

This is great, you can buy 'Gary' the bloke who gesticulated behind Farage yesterday a pint;

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Left wing scum causing trouble in Swansea noted..

One of their main donors thinks homosexuals are incapable of love and that married women cannot be raped by their husband.

Nice

wwaswas - Member
One of their main donors thinks homosexuals are incapable of love and that married women cannot be raped by their husband.

Nice

I'm sure he does, just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot, it's only that idiot Michael Crick who hates UKIP with a vengeance on his usual mission.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't have to look to hard to find nutters like that in every party, it's called being human, only the politically correct left try to alter that.

And here's a thing the more Channel 4 air views like this poor old boy the donor, the more similar types that still hold those views, that daren't speak them in todays society for exactly this reason, will vote UKIP.

OMG they've got that grinning gibbon Hamilton, coming on later, they must be in real panic.. 😆

Except ukip have more nutters....I bet its statistically significant as well.

just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot

That's fantastic !.......what is the connection between some plonker claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives, and Gordon Brown claiming that a woman was a bigot ? 😆

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You mean to tell me you wouldn't have to look to hard to find nutters like that in every party, it's called being human, only the politically correct left try to alter that.

You seem to have forgotten that it was the leader of the Conservative Party, not noted for being part of politically correct left, who famously denounced UKIP as a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies, and closet racists.

Tom_W1987 - Member
Except ukip have more nutters....I bet its statistically significant as well.

38% more.. and they've all got a vote, getting worried are we? 😆

ernie_lynch - Member
just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot
That's fantastic !.......what is the connection between some plonker claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives, and Gordon Brown claiming that a woman was a bigot ?

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

I am sure there are nutters in all the parties.

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Journalistic entrapment?

Er no, your memory is poor. Gordon Brown made the infamous remark to a member of his team. IIRC a mike was left on.

Besides, you completely fail to explain why claiming that in his opinion the woman was a bigot is anywhere as comparable as someone claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives.

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

Well of course they are, its that freedom to keep publicly expressing their views that gets them into so much trouble.

chewkw - Member
I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

I am sure there are nutters in all the parties.

This.

They're not trolling around looking for nutters in the other parties, the lefty knives are out for UKIP..

Naive not to think that mic wasn't deliberately left on Brown.. The knives were out for him at the time.

Only in UKIPs case people are fed up having to mind their p's and q's for fear of whatever, political correctness, causing folk to be called racist if they question immigration, homophobes if they criticise gays, on top of all the other crap, it's no wonder you're going to get an Earthquake of protest, and from all sections of the community, lots of other cultures don't much like being told what they can say and do either. I notice nobodies interviewing Muslims on their position re Gay Marriage for instance...

MSP - Member

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

Well of course they are, its that freedom to keep publicly expressing their views that gets them into so much trouble.

Ya, but how do their views get public in the first place if the media do not stick their noses into others business?

We know that there are zombie maggots everywhere but when the media broadcast their views as to generalise to the masses to justify their own ends, no wonder we are zombie maggots in the making.

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They're not trolling around looking for nutters in the other parties, the lefty knives are out for UKIP..

Naive not to think that mic wasn't deliberately left on Brown.. The knives were out for him at the time.

Gosh. It was lefties who forced David Cameron to publicly denounced UKIP as a bunch of fruitcakes and loonies, and it was lefties who were out to get Gordon Brown.

That's quite some conspiracy theory you've got there derekfish.

Is it also lefties who are also forcing Tory newspapers such as the Times and the Daily Telegraph to run "smear stories" against UKIP ?