I like that.
[i]We know its a [mis]leading question - that is why you keep repeating it and it would still be a crap question to ask regarding what peoples views were on this issue as it doe snot even ask them. Why are you still doing this ?[/i]
Probably because I've seen what Govts' do with our money, and also how Govts' in poor countries treat their citizens, their money and our money. Plus I'm not convinced that the majority of taxpayers are happily paying £250 pa (plus interest as it's borrowed money) more so we can give it to someone else.
And before you ask, I'm as left-leaning as anyone you'll find (this side of Ernie 🙂 ), but old enough to know when something is neither left/centre/right wing, but just wrong.
Interesting parallel.
Can't help but think of cargo cults...
"A cargo cult is a kind of Melanesian millenarian movement encompassing a diverse range of practices and occurring in the wake of contact with the commercial networks of colonizing societies. The name derives from the apparent belief that various ritualistic acts will lead to a bestowing of material wealth ("cargo").[1][2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Too many Guardian readers on here, I think.
I am sure you could find a forum that think bong bongo land is ok to use - try one to the right of UKIP as they dont think its ok the guardian reading bastards
mt - MemberDid Mr Bloom mention Africa? I got the impression he meant any country that aid from us is misapreated it into sunglasses.
Yeah, he says that "maybe" he meant African countries, apparently he's not sure.
[b][i]Speaking to Channel 4 News, the MEP said he did not know what he had meant by the phrase but acknowledged "maybe" he had been referring to African countries.[/i][/b]
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/07/godfrey-bloom-regret-bongo-land-ukip
Bongo bongo land is a childish term used by upper class louts to describe third world countries inhabited by people with dark skin.
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teamhurtmore - MemberC'mon, Ernie you are a guy who likes (and likes others) to choose your {their} words carefully. You don't have patience to argue with "disingenuous muppets" and yet you came back again?
I'm certainly not going to waste my time arguing whether or not the term bongo bongo land is a term of ridicule, everyone, including disingenuous muppets, knows that it is.
That doesn't necessarily mean that I won't challenge you when you make silly comments regarding Godfrey Bloom's alleged [i]"inability to articulate"[/i] and how he's too thick to realise how unacceptable the term is.
Here Godfrey Bloom shows how eloquent he is even when he's drunk.
Junkyard, sorry but I didn't understand a word of that.
Eloquent? No, rude and "disingenuous" IMO. Almost as embarrassing as Farage's infamous attack of HvP. Juvenile rather than eloquent and/or mature. And another example of muddying an important issue.
Of course, bongo bongo land is a ridiculous, out-dated and inappropriate term to use. But, the key point (again!) here is that his intention was first and foremost to ridicule the UK's foreign aid policy. He didn't (IMO) set out to ridicule Africa or anywhere else directly. That he may have done so, although I hope that most Africans would have had the common sense to ignore them for the silly comments that they are, just shows that he is the one who is correctly worthy of ridicule. To try and make out that this was a deliberate and direct attack on any region or type of people is to miss the point entirely and is in itself disingenous. He certainly doesn't understand Africa or Aid.
Where do we send our badges back to? Or has the rudeness been retracted?
He didn't (IMO) set out to ridicule Africa or anywhere else directly.
Then he should have said something about us rather than say bongo bongo land then talk about ferraris and sunglasses
He seemed to be saying things about the recipients tbh rather than us
Nice edit oldboy - like i could have ridiculed you for a spelling error 😉
Crosses fingers that was simple enough for you
To try and make out that this was a deliberate and direct attack on any region or type of people is to miss the point entirely and is in itself disingenous.
Who's done that then ?
It's clear that the term bongo bongo land is a term of ridicule used by upper class louts to describe third world countries inhabited by people with dark skin.
Don't try to pretend that it isn't.
Some would say it (bongo bongo) was a mildly derisory term used for ironic effect, in exactly the same way bunga bunga is used, but by now they probably wouldn't be posting in such a left wing environment as this and long since gotten fed up and moved on.
I certainly didn't find it offensive, then again it wasn't my professional task so to do, like the Guardinistas who recorded it.
A straw poll in my sailing club tonight, they'd all now vote for him, whereas the other week nobody had ever heard of him, so the dimwitted left have done a good job in furthering UKIP's cause.
Yes of course rossatease, UKIP are now going to form the next government because a right-wing misogynistic alcoholic chauvinist used the term bongo bongo land !
And I bet the Tory Party is quaking in their boots at the thought of your sailing club switching allegiance to UKIP 🙂
There seems to be a high percentage of 'well educated' toffs with their head so far up their a**e that they are too stupid to notice when they cause offence. Certainly not the kind of language I would expect from an elected politician representing this country in Europe. What an embarrassment.
they probably wouldn't be posting in such a left wing environment as this and long since gotten fed up and moved on
If we were to do a back count of this claim V lefties on this thread I reckon it is three to one in your favour possibly more. Its a cross section of society or else there would be no debate and we would all just agree
A straw poll in my sailing club tonight, they'd all now vote for him, whereas the other week nobody had ever heard of him, so the dimwitted left have done a good job in furthering UKIP's cause.
What you see as furthering UKIP's cause I view as fracturing the right wing vote to make it harder for them to get into power.
Keep up the good work we could not do it without people like you 8)
rossatease were the members of the sailing club of Asian and African descent of the same view?
There seems to be a high percentage of 'well educated' toffs
In defence of some well educated toffs. I come into contact with quite a few through work. And most are polite, intelligent, extremely hard working, pragmatic well rounded folk.
Its those that want to go into politics that seem to be complete social dunderheads. Something about Eton perhaps.
Earnie lynch, go back and read the whole of my post. I am not defending him in anyway just pointing out how it looks to some. What's going on now is good for the UKIP publicity dept and being perpetuated by those who wish to defeat them. Banging on to prove you point that he may be racist old trout hardly moves us forward in any debate that defuses these views. You need to remember there are many who sympathise with his aid comments and the tone of his delivery. Ranting will only deliver more followers. Remember the voters are not all like you.
I'm out now as we have done this to death. Other than to say the there is a President Ali Bongo, his father was also the President Omar Bongo. You'd think they would complain, they can't though as the are a former French colony. Gold star to who can name country.
Got the names the wrong way round, Radio 4 is very helpful.
mt - MemberEarnie lynch, go back and read the whole of my post.
Why don't you go back and read my post ?
You asked : "Did Mr Bloom mention Africa?".
And I answered, that in an interview Bloom said that he had "maybe" been referring to African countries.
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Banging on to prove you point that he may be racist old trout hardly moves us forward in any debate that defuses these views.
Erm, nowhere have I accused Bloom of being a racist, or even possibly being a racist, go back and read my posts ?
My only point is that the term bongo bongo land is very clearly a term of ridicule, there's really no point trying to pretend that it isn't.
I'll let people decide for themselves whether it is an appropriate term for a senior politician to use.
As for the claim that "What's going on now is good for the UKIP publicity dept", well maybe, but in that case it's very strange that the UKIP leadership has reacted in the way it has, ie, instead of encouraging its members to use the term it has done the complete opposite and banned them from using it.
I can assure you that if an elected politician was, for example, to publicly declare that all black people were smelly and lazy as well as the obvious condemnation they would also receive some enthusiastic support.
The problem for UKIP is that they would like one day to have real power, appealing to a limited audience of moronic halfwits, however enthusiastic they might be, won't help them to achieve that.
Little Erne. I take it you can't guess where the Bongo family is in charge then. Very poor.
Yes mt, I've heard the schoolboy excuse that he actually meant the country which Ali Bongo is president of 🙄
Although in true schoolboy fashion he can't seem to make up his mind which pathetic excuse he wants to use when he's been caught being rude and naughty :
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/08/godfrey-bloom-_n_3724163.html ]Ukip MEP Godfrey Bloom: 'Bongo Land Is The Land Of The Antelope' [/url]
And as for me not knowing "where the Bongo family is in charge", have a look at the OP on this 4 year old thread :
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-have-nothing-against-the-bongos-but
[i]Its those that want to go into politics that seem to be complete social dunderheads. Something about Eton perhaps. [/i]
Nope, both of my neighbours are Eton educated and good hard-working folk - so it must just be the politics thing.
oh ern, there you go again with your exagerations, this thread is not 4 years old. I'm sure Mr Bloomer was on Radio 4 Tuesday.
Good reposte Ernie .
I thought his apoplectic complaint that this sort of thing was only finding interest with "left-wing journalists" was chucklesome.
Like saying "It's only of interest to apolitical train drivers from Wigan", or something...
Of course, some of my best friends are train drivers from Wigan.
I've got nothing against train drivers from Wigan, but......
I have never met a single train driver from Wigan.
Is it ok to ridicule train drivers from Wigan ?
Is it ok to ridicule train drivers from Wigan ?
Only if they are ginger. And they went to Eton. Apparently.
Won't someone stand up for Old Etonians?
It's not their fault they went to a Slough comp.
Toot, toot!
Junkyard - Guardianista
What you see as furthering UKIP's cause I view as fracturing the right wing vote to make it harder for them to get into power.
Keep up the good work we could not do it without people like you
That is very true, except it is the Green Party that has benefited *most, so I win.
crankboy - Member
rossatease were the members of the sailing club of Asian and African descent of the same view?
Do you actually know any Asian or African descended people? If you did, you'd realise they think just like us, and are just other people, same as us, some right some left, more often right than left is my experience as it happens I have two very good friends, one of Indian descent the other Afro Caribbean, both looking at voting UKIP next go round, I argue with them constantly. Racism isn't just a white mans burden I've found and they, we, are British they don't even think any other way and any means of isolating them by the suggestion that politically they should think different, because of their skin colour or heritage, is in itself racist, if we are being punctilious about this. The Left are not the guardians of racial tolerance.
*[i]In my area[/i]
... and your yacht club seems to (by your suggestion) consist mainly of the sort of racists who would vote for UKIP because they approve of Bloom's language.
Must be hard for you. Keep up the struggle, Kamerad.
Think I might have given the wrong impression with the term 'yacht' club, sailing club might be more appropriate, particularly if as I appear to be, dealing with call centre cublicled proletariat on wheels. 😉
It's just a typical cross section of wage earning brits, pissed off with financing India & now Nigerias space programme..
particularly if as I appear to be, dealing with call centre cublicled proletariat on wheels.
Quite possibly the most pathetic, juvenile and sad little comment I've read anywhere this week.
Your sailing club might want to think about what might come in on the back of Bloom's, and UKIP's, desire to deal with the questionable international aid provision if they achieve government. After all, Mussolini was really good at sorting out the rail system...
I might suggest that [i]you[/i] think about it also, except that on the evidence so far, I don't see much actual thinking going on...
It's just a typical cross section of wage earning brits....
They don't sound like typical brits to me.
According to you they had never supported UKIP until they heard Godfrey Bloom make a comment about bongo bongo land. However now, at least according to a straw poll you carried out last night, they are UKIP voters.
Do you think most British people are daft enough to support a party based solely on one sentence a politician utters ?
And you have the nerve to talk of "the dimwitted left" 🙂
BTW how many were involved in this straw poll of yours which apparently defines British politics ?
What are we talking about......5? 10? 15? Did you manage to ask 15 people ?
I bet it was no more than 4 people
About a dozen or so, and obviously the more verbose were the UKippers, couple of SOCA fellas, couple of retired loaded blokes, metal worker, chippy, sparks, charity security bloke works away but back for vacation he's a string em up sort, and a banker, ironically of more moderate views, two out of work but used to be in the print game made redundant and took early retirement, oh and the proverbial bar man.
I don't have to think, no-ones paying me to think, I'm just recounting what goes on in those clubs around the country and they're warming to UKIP.
obviously the more verbose were the UKippers
I'm sorry are you now saying that some were already UKIP voters ? I thought the whole point of your comment was that the chaps at your sailing club were so impressed with the 'bongo bongo land' comment that were now going to vote UKIP ?
In recent threads I have defended UKIP's right to display their views, however worryingly it seems that the more crass and offensive they are, the greater their following. Are the people in Britain's sailing clubs so hard done by financially that they find the thought of sending money to aid foreign countries so galling?
I don't have to think, no-ones paying me to think, I'm just recounting what goes on in those clubs around the country and they're warming to UKIP.
Marvellous. You don't have to think because you don't get paid to. Sound argument, that. Let's all not think, eh? That's the way forward.
So, you've been in a lot of clubs apart from your sailing one, then? What sort of clubs were they? Do a lot of straw-poll travelling, do you?
Mr Woppit - Member
I don't have to think, no-ones paying me to think, I'm just recounting what goes on in those clubs around the country and they're warming to UKIP.
Marvellous. You don't have to think because you don't get paid to. Sound argument, that. Let's all not think, eh? That's the way forward.So, you've been in a lot of clubs apart from your sailing one, then? What sort of clubs were they? Do a lot of straw-poll travelling, do you?
What's your point chap?
Want me to change my view? Fall in with yours, tut tut at the nasty boorish man for saying bongo bongo land and be all comfy self righteous?
All I'm doing, and not necessarily agreeing with it, is pointing out to all the soft lad, wilfully outraged, hand wringing lefties that the more outraged they appear, the more the mouldering masses are going to react positively to people like this.
You may be one of them, you may not be one of them, but surely you can see the bigger picture that is evolving here.
The state we are in was brought about by political correctness, the movement that is just beginning to roll the pendulum just a tad too far over to the right is being egged on by crap like this.
There is nothing positive, and everything moronic about following people that use this kind of language. Godfrey Bloom seems nothing more than a xenophobic isolationist goon.
I also don't think that this tone will attract reasonable voters. I have heard members of the BNP speak more eloquently than that.
@ rossatease
I thought you didn't have a view. You said you don't think, you just report.
There's two issues.
1: Foriegn aid.
2: Bloom's obvious racism.
If you have paid any attention to the rest of the thread, you will have seen my comments about the inadvisability of letting a barking thicky like Bloom tackling a serious subject with the language of a saloon-bar Hooray Henry. I'll reiterate it for you here.
He has managed to divert attention away from a serious issue by acting like an objectionable prune. He then whines that the issue he raises is not being dealt with because people (or "left-wing journalists" as he puts it) are focusing on his language. What a nitwit.
Your "cross section" of "Brits" want to vote for a gimp like that? They've joined you in the room for the non-thinking vegetables, then.
Read your history. Tyrannical regimes were built on the back of complaints from insular, nationalistic, xenophobes of the sort you describe.
The issue is WHAT SORT of foreign aid works for the benefit of both the donator and the receiver and to whom should the donation be made and how monitored, not whether or not to have it at all, which I suspect is Bloom's real pitch.
His use of the phrase "bongo..." just displays his ignorant lumping together of entire nations into an easily identifiable hate object that bears no relation to anything in the real world. A typical mindless racist canard, in fact.
Mr Woppit+1 🙂
