Forum menu
huh???
Elon Musk has been key to mainstreaming this as a political wedge issue. The likes of Badanoch and Phelp are just riding his wave.
The problem for Labour (or the Greens or Lib Dems etc etc) is that the weaponisation (weatherspoonisation?) of all these issues in the age of social media has been perfected by the (far) right, and its incredibly hard to counter with facts and reasoning. A 30 second youtube/tiktok/facebook/tweet is a very powerful tool.
Yup, and "the far right" are very much mainstream in many key countries now (with still more going that way along with us very fast)... but most importantly in the USA, where most of our "public spaces" online are now controlled and populated/polluted from.
I think we’ve also got monumentally arrogant gobshite Dominic Cummings to thank for weaponising social media in this country during the Brexit campaign.
Farage and co have been using his Cambridge Analytica bullshit as a blueprint for all subsequent campaigns, aided by a cowed and neutered BBC and a media model that basically relies on clickbait for revenue
A 30 second youtube/tiktok/facebook/tweet is a very powerful tool.
And the ability to churn them out in their thousands is unique in our history.
Deliver the same hate to different groups (as determined by profiling them) with a slightly different slant to each. Target those who like posts or follow pages about cuddly animals with the swan-eating bullshit. Target those who like things to do with the outdoors with stuff about surviving the multiracial 'hellscape' by going off grid etc.
It also allows you to churn out this poison at a rate that cannot be fact-checked, reported or taken down before millions have seen it.
"Things Fell Apart" on BBC Sounds with Jon Ronson is essential listening, IMO.
And now this:
This is already degenerating into a political circus which will most likely just cause more rage and won't deliver any new justice or information for the survivors.
This is already degenerating into a political circus
If it helps get rid of Jess Phillips it can't be all bad.
If it helps get rid of Jess Phillips it can't be all bad.
yes because removing a safeguarding minister who has long history of standing up for abuse survivors because the far right want the enquiry to persecute muslims is definitely worth it 🙄
If it helps get rid of Jess Phillips it can't be all bad.
Literally - WTAF?
Because:
because removing a safeguarding minister who has long history of standing up for abuse survivors because the far right want the enquiry to persecute muslims is definitely worth it 🙄
Couldn't have put it any better. Wow.
because removing a safeguarding minister who has long history of standing up for abuse survivors
She has a long history of standing for herself. I still remember very clearly her celebrations when Labour lost in 2019.
I suppose Dazh is talking about this kind of thing...
. I still remember very clearly her celebrations when Labour lost in 2019.
My memory goes further back than that. 2015 :
Two years later Philips must have been absolutely gutted when Labour got 40% of the vote in a general election and robbed the Tories of their majority.
Like many others in the PLP who prefer the Tories to a left-wing alternative Philips went on to double her efforts to undermine the Leader of the Labour Party, and stab him in the back and in the front, and in 2019 she eventually got the result that she wanted.
The rest of the story takes us to where we are today.
You can dedicate your entire life to fighting for the rights of victims and survivors of domestic and sexual violence, but - perish the thought - you should dare speak a word of disapproval of the beardy messiah and you will be denounced accordingly
And ‘the left’ get accused even by their own, the latest being Zarah Sultana and her ‘boys club’ comments, of being misogynists
I can’t imagine why….
🙄
Jesus H Christ.
So now it's OK to use a child sexual abuse inquiry to do a hatchet job on a politician and minister who has a track record of standing up for exactly this kind of victim? And because of an internal party squabble over a bloke who was never going to be elected in a million years?
It makes the far right weaponising this issue seem quite upstanding in comparison. At least they're doing it to score points against an opponent, not doing it to sabotage their own.
That's crazy talk.
You can dedicate your entire life to fighting for the rights of victims and survivors of domestic and sexual violence
That's a stretch really. 10-15 years or so maybe in some form.
The beardy one has though spent 50+ years of his life pushing back against the junk that the Labour right now want to sell us and landed us in this mess.
I'm taking a step away from this for now. Justifying using this particular issue as a means to pursue internal party back-biting is totally beyond the pale.
That's a stretch really. 10-15 years or so maybe in some form
Maybe, instead of using her platform as an MP to fight for the rights of domestic and sexual abuse victims, and actually doing something about it, she should have spent those 15 years impotently but very publicly gobbing off about the plight of the Guinea pig farmers of Venezuela or whatever virtue-signalling cause was presently in vogue at Islington dinner parties?
Tell me that you never really left sixth form without actually telling me you never left sixth form…
the beardy messiah
Also known as the Leader of the Labour Party.
Perhaps you think that proudly and publicly stabbing the leader of your party in the back (and in the front) and doing your very best to help the Tories win in 2019 was a great strategy but not everyone necessarily agrees.
Even if you want to bizarrely justify it by bringing up a "child sexual abuse inquiry" is it that somehow exonerates her
Of all the weird justification for right-wing so-called "Labour" MPs sabotaging their own leader, and therefore causing incalculably damage and helping the Tories, that has to be one of the weirdest.
Btw Dannyh you can change your username as many times as you like by you can never hide your centrist arrogance and contempt for ordinary working people.
Dannyh is back?!
Oh, and surprise surprise, we’re back into the usual spirit-crushingly tedious, conspiracy theory territory, so beloved of the common room to justify their abject failure and general uselessness….
Anyway… I’m dipping out of this one as well as I also think it’s pretty distasteful to use a public inquiry into sexual abuse of children to indulge in some perceived score settling and grind the same tired old axe.
it does seem to prove the adage though that if you go far enough to the left or right, they tend to meet in the middle, around the back, by the bins
to justify their abject failure and general uselessness….
It could be worse: at least they're not members of the current government. Or a tedious crayon botherer.
If anyone wants a real giggle tonight, Reform's own Alan Partridge, Nadine Dorries is on Question Time.
I thought you were dipping out, binbins?
Nadine Dorries is on Question Time
im not watching it, hut is she still as insane as ever?
Nadine Dorries is on Question Time
im not watching it, hut is she still as insane as ever?
She's struggling to describe the benefits of Brexit. It's a hoot.
I'm taking a step away from this for now.
Oh come on it’s way too early to flounce, we’re just getting going! 😂
Seriously though, a leftwing govt - lead by Corbyn or someone else - would be far more beneficial for the protection of women and other vulnerable people than Jess Phillips could ever deliver, for the simple reason that they wouldn’t have a Tory chancellor and idiot PM who are too afraid of facing down the billionaires and bond markets.
I'm taking a step away from this for now.
Oh come on it’s way too early to flounce, we’re just getting going! 😂
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1981412929762099673?t=jXkMqAZWekiXxl386lGalA&s=19
Imagine writing this on behalf of the leader of your country and thinking this sounds amazing.
Bet ya it's more frustrating if you can't afford to pay the ****ing bill. No you nesbit - more public investment, better wages and lower inequality will make our lives better.
Everything wrong with drunken centrism in a nutshell.
The man is a delusional, incompetent technocratic failure.
(Also not once in the last five years have I had a paper bill that I needed to open a bank account - which is almost seemingly done in 15 mins online these days without additional ID.)
Labour are crap. Truly crap. Definitely in the top 3 worst governments of my lifetime. If not the top - on lack of ambition and total ignorance.
If the Guardian got you here it's time to examine your version of reality. (But Corbyn has a beard...)
I see that Labour has just come third in its former stronghold Caerphilly. I guess digital ID wasn't enough...
sake rone take a break! We know your views on the man by now
Someone with a 90000 post count shouldn't really be telling someone with a 10000 post count to take a break.
Besides until this idiot remotely addresses actual problems and contributes to society like this there's a constant argument to be made.
It really is just easier to scroll down.
If you want to ignore me I tend to post first thing in the morning, and very rarely during the day as I'm busy etc.
Good for Plaid Cymru.
Reform will claim corruption/rigging or something. Labour will say they have more 'work' to do.
At least Plaid won comfortably but Reform have increased the right vote share from historically around 20/25% to 36%
Also a high turnout - I'm guessing for Reform as that's a worry across the country that people who don't normally vote will do for Farage.
I know Labour are a clown car of a Government but even if they improve this really does point towards a Reform Government, possibly on a low vote share, without concerted tactical voting for whichever party is most likely to beat them
The national MRP polling showing big Westminster election majorities for Reform hides that although they are first choice for 30ish % of the voters they are last choice for 40% - so they could well win an election despite being very unpopular
I know Labour are a clown car of a Government but even if they improve this really does point towards a Reform Government, possibly on a low vote share,
Which is why it was extremely important for Labour to turn around the country instead of rummaging around in a cupboard looking for leccy bills.
We all know that Labour's GE landslide was loveless, so now that the Tories are spent, voters have no reason to carry on voting for them.
We all know that Labour's GE landslide was loveless, so now that the Tories are spent, voters have no reason to carry on voting for them.
Not even tactically to keep reform out? Not everywhere has an obvious alternative like Plaid or SNP. There are areas where Lib Dems or Greens will push through (and we need to see what Your Party do) but I'm worried the anti-reform vote will not coalesce locally..
Next year's devolved elections will be an absolute massacre for Labour and the Locals will probably be similar
The thought of Reform holding power across Local politics them strolling into Downing Street with a majority fills me with dread.
yebbut don't worry due to this farce of an electoral system labour will probably get a few ineffective years in power again in the next decade or so and that's all they really want.
Not even tactically to keep reform out? Not everywhere has an obvious alternative like Plaid or SNP.
Not enough places, in my view.
but I'm worried the anti-reform vote will not coalesce locally..
There's a real risk that the LibDems, Greens and Your Party (if it happens) will splinter the centre left vote and allow a Reform/Tory coalition in.
I don't believe our weird system will favour Labour next time. They've burnt those bridges.
The thought of Reform holding power across Local politics them strolling into Downing Street with a majority fills me with dread
Reform being in power locally might well show up their incompetence (their track record in local councils is already poor)
There's a real risk that the LibDems, Greens and Your Party (if it happens) will splinter the centre left vote and allow a Reform/Tory coalition in.
and A reform/tory coalition would be a car crash , farage's ego would not allow any partners
the latest mooted tory plans are so extreme, im not sure that reform would back them, proper eugenics shit!
https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3m3ql5v4slk2t
sunder's full thread is worth a read the crazy thing is that the overton window has shifted so much that a tory MP talking about ethnically cleansing 2.5% of the population barely gers noticed
sunder's full thread is worth a read the crazy thing is that the overton window has shifted so much that a tory MP talking about ethnically cleansing 2.5% of the population barely gers noticed
That comparison to Idi Amin shows just how deranged this has become
I'd be not surprised (maybe) if this government are now making some last minute changes to the budget based on this result.
They'd be nuts not to.
This budget is more eagerly waited than the first fire-sale sham.
It will basically set the precedent for probably a whole lot of economical turmoil that is bubbling up.
I bet Reeves' note pad has lots of crossings out.