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You don’t have to, you know, @Edukator. You could actually not.
Do or don't do what?
Good points, theotherjonv, made without excess or insult. I can't think of any time I've used any of the terms mentioned in the last few posts except on this forum. In real life it doesn't warant comment, people are people. I know if people are homosexual trans or whatever if they've made it public but they have names and it seems more natural to refer to them by their names than their gender or sexual preferences.
Hahaha! It seems from electoral calculus that reform sport has panned!
Halved the seats with them going lab/tory equally, hahaha 😆
That is apparently because the mainstream are scared of them and attacking them unfairly. Maybe not being a bunch of racist ****s who would make inequality worse would be a good start if you don't want to be attacked.
Although I agree with their policy on raising tax threshold to £20K but should increase taxes for higher earners to offset it rather than giving higher earners more as well.
Not sure if you've seen this one, russian interference in election from the ABC
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-29/uk-election-pro-russian-facebook-pages-coordinating/104038246
Although I agree with their policy on raising tax threshold to £20K
Everyone does.
It's fair and balanced and brings min wages and basic pensioners out of the tax scheme. Everyone should get behind it. Same with the Bank of England QE interest payments that are made to banks. Both solid ideas.
They're used to hide some pretty nasty stuff, though.
But it's OK, it's not a manifesto...
Everyone does.
It’s fair and balanced and brings min wages and basic pensioners out of the tax scheme. Everyone should get behind it.
Yet only Reform are proposing it. If anyone should be proposing it you would expect it to be Labour wouldn't you but you know, fiscal rules...
Sunak probably hated the P word not so much as it’s racist bit because he’s of Indian heritage. I worked with a British Indian guy and he used that term to describe ****stanis - absolutely hated them due to partition.
So much respect for the balanced way in which you discuss the trans debate @theotherjonv. I don't recall seeing your username before @perthpixie....sorry to hear of the abuse that your partner has received, here's hoping for a more tolerant and inclusive future.
Sunak probably hated the P word not so much as it’s racist bit because he’s of Indian heritage. I worked with a British Indian guy and he used that term to describe ****stanis – absolutely hated them due to partition.
I absolutely cannot stand Sunak as a politician and person, but I think that is unfair. He can tell his own story but I would be very surprised if he and his family hadn't received a lot of racial abuse growing up, and he is still getting plenty of it now. I am aware of his father-in-law's associations with Modi and I believe Sunak's references to loving crispy bacon had a dual role (and is bullshit). But all the same I don't see any reason to suspect he's annoyed by Farageite racial abuse because he really hates ****stanis. I think he is entitled to a presumption of innocence on this one.
It’s fair and balanced and brings min wages and basic pensioners out of the tax scheme. Everyone should get behind it. Same with the Bank of England QE interest payments that are made to banks. Both solid ideas.
It's possible for a party be generally hateful but still have some good ideas/policies. The payment to commercial banks is just plain silly.
Andy Verity of the BBC posted an interesting chart of deficit / GDP per year. So 23/24 there's a budget deficit of 120.7 bn Which is 4.5% of economic output. Which is not huge by historical standards.
Using orthodox economic theory and looking at this chart (which covers deficit per year- not debt/GDP) would Starmer and Reeves like to explain why 'borrowing;(gilt issuance) is now problematic and the public finances are such a mess that it can't happen?
(Also note the handful of times we have budget surpluses.)
You could also note that years of borrowing have never resulted in the country actually going bankrupt or your children barely paying anything back.
Another interesting observation is how big deficits were during the austerity years. Altough towards 2017 the brakes came on and guess what GDP starts to flat-line .
* him, * him and **** him again, about time he got a taste of his own party’s vile rhetoric thrown at him.
This ^^
The Tories have spent the last decade being divisive, creating culture wars where none existed before (or at least where they were pretty hidden) and now they're being out-culturewarred by someone further right than even they've managed.
It's like when a bully suddenly gets confronted by someone bigger than them and they start wailing about how it's unfair.
Edit: why has the thread / page count suddenly broken?!
My local tory incumbent (Jenkinson) has resorted to playing the victim card!
Apparently some labour canvassers referred to his weight - poor lad has been bigger all his life and now the evil lefties are calling him a fatty.
I'm filing this under his previous claim of Workington drug dealers swapping food vouchers for weed during Covid.
He also avoids hustings because he can't be sure of his safety after threats from 'lefties'.
Farage has said he’s been invited on Kuenssburg’s program tomorrow (again) but is refusing until ‘the BBC apologies for dishonest audience’ last night. It’s playing to his base again isn’t it, he just can’t cope with robust criticism. Even at the most positive polling for Reform, four in five people won’t support him yet any situation where he’s not given an easy ride is ‘biased’
Farage has said he’s been invited on Kunessburg’s program tomorrow (again) but is refusing until ‘the BBC apologies for biased audience’ last night. It’s playing to his base again isn’t it, he just can’t cope with robust criticism.
He's playing the role of the plucky underdog, fighting against the Global Elitists who are trying to silence him.
A lot of the far right do that. Like how Brexit has apparently failed because of Liberal Lefties interfering.
Rwanda would work perfectly if those Leftie Lawyers weren't such a bunch of do-gooder snowflakes.
It's standard RW playbook. Claim to be the underdog, the victim, the hard done by.
Scumbags.
Farage has said he’s been invited on Kuenssburg’s program tomorrow (again) but is refusing until ‘the BBC apologies for dishonest audience’ last night.
I think its brilliant that now he's threatening to properly impact the Tory vote, this seems to be the end of the free ride that shyster has been given by the media for about the last 15 years.
Now he's being held up to some proper scrutiny he's wailing that its ALL JUST SO NOT FAIR, like the petulant toddler he is.
At least now his nasty, racist bullshit is being exposed for what it is, and the representatives of Reform are being shown for the knuckle-dragging thugs they are
I think its brilliant that now he’s threatening to properly impact the Tory vote, this seems to be the end of the free ride that shyster has been given by the media for about the last 15 years. Now he’s being held up to some proper scrutiny he’s wailing that its ALL JUST SO NOT FAIR like the petulant toddler he is
His campaign is being heavily ring fenced but if you surround yourself with shit someone is doing to smell it.
I think the whole "our racist volunteer was a setup, he's an actor" showed that he's completely comfortable with going full Trump.
He needs to be well and truly pulled up on that BS but he hasn't so far. Imagine, turns out a guy that's a part time actor can also be a right nasty shit working with Reform, who knew?
Reform drops three candidates but says people should still vote for them
As usual, the far right have absolutely no problem with hypocrisy but God forbid the left when have a hint of it... Real or invented.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c727xz2kkgjo
Kuenssburg’s program tomorrow (again) but is refusing until ‘the BBC apologies for dishonest audience’ last night.
Talk about ungrateful. QT has been one of his major platforms for spreading his propaganda.
Please let this be true
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1807113864292528512?t=KPTpQgmRrD1SXiXf-yR45A&s=19
^^ I NEED to know if that's real now!😁
Just seen something on the internets that suggests that Lab bought up all the advertising space they could get their hands on when they saw the betting markets shift towards a GE on 04 Jul.
“* him, * him and **** him again, about time he got a taste of his own party’s vile rhetoric thrown at him.”
Someone has had racist abuse aimed at him, and you think thats ok because his political Party does things that you dont like?
I think you need to take a step back and realise how pathetic your position is, you are saying it’s ok to racially abuse him because in your mind, his Party are equally as abhorrent.
It doesnt work like that, I dont like a lot of things, but it isnt even remotely acceptable to abuse someone over their skin colour, or agree with someone doing it, because of their views on something you disagree with.
I’m totally shocked that anyone can think that abuse is even slightly acceptable, and that at least one person,a poster above, agrees with it.
Ever heard of MPs being killed, threatened etc? It’s hate. No need for it, and certainly no room for racist abuse. What next, Woman MP threatened with rape, but thats ok, as her Party has views that go against yours?
No, there are better channels to get rid of MPs you dont like, any abuse against them is not the way to do. Someone else could see your post agreeing that racism against Tory MPs is ok, they feel that way too, and continue with it as at least 2 people on here have agreed its ok to racially abuse an MP. Where does it end?
Just seen something on the internets that suggests that Lab bought up all the advertising space they could get their hands on when they saw the betting markets shift towards a GE on 04 Jul.
Sopel mentioned this I think. Someone in the Labour campaign said they were baffled, because usually the government has a huge advantage as they know the date before they announce, so they buy up all the ad space the week before the election. But Conservatives didn't do it, so Labour bought it all. General feeling was that Sunak surprised even his own party.
Someone has had racist abuse aimed at him, and you think thats ok because his political Party does things that you dont like?
No it's not. 100% agree with you there. However....
Racist abuse aimed at tory PM is called out rightly.
Racist abuse aimed at Diane Abbott by tory donor. Minor censure and apology but we'll keep the donation thanks.
General feeling was that Sunak surprised even his own party.
He did indeed, but because he’d initially floated the idea to the press of a May election, Labour and the Lib Dems had their campaigns pretty much ready to go from then.
Unfortunately, the Tories didn’t.
Just another example of how politically clueless Sunak is. He apparently only told a handful of people he was going to announce an election and it appears most of them, instead of getting involved in preparing the campaign, just headed straight to the bookies
The Reform canvassor that made the racial slur against Sunak is a bloody disgrace and there is no excuse for it. All the other stuff he said too... about killing immigrants if they are picked up in an ambulance for instance. Notably not reported much!
Has Sunak and his party stoked hatred for his/ their political gain? Yes. He's helped give a voice to that absolute mess of a guy and thousands of others.
They aren't mutually exclusive, they are both reprehensible imo.
Anyway....
Farage has said he's made a complaint to the electoral commission about the channel 4 programme... Well, he hasn't, it's a lie. They confirm they haven't been contacted, indeed they also say that such an allegation or election meddling is not something with their remit to investigate. As reported by the BBC.
So basically Farage has again proven he's a lying piece of poo.
As reported by the BBC.
You're not going to believe anything the British Bureau of Communism says, are you?
Sopel mentioned this I think. Someone in the Labour campaign said they were baffled, because usually the government has a huge advantage as they know the date before they announce, so they buy up all the ad space the week before the election. But Conservatives didn’t do it, so Labour bought it all. General feeling was that Sunak surprised even his own party.
Morgan mcsweeney is lab campaign manager, he was watching the betting markets! shortening that convinced him they were going to call a GE so bought up the advertising,
Mercer being Mercer again.
It comes after veterans minister Johnny Mercer said only the Tories had a plan to support the armed forces and a vote for Labour would "put us all in danger"
Mercer really is an absolutely obnoxious human being.
Fortunately it looks like he’s a prime candidate for a ‘Portillo Moment’ on Thursday night
https://Twitter.com/johnobee7/status/1807054821649764609?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
seen on twitter
"I think the way the MSM has treated the Conservatives and Reform over the campaign is nothing short of a national disgrace, and I recommend all supporters put an X in both boxes on Thursday to register their anger"
Made me laugh, I wonder if any will go for it.
seen on twitter“I think the way the MSM has treated the Conservatives and Reform over the campaign is nothing short of a national disgrace, and I recommend all supporters put an X in both boxes on Thursday to register their anger”
Made me laugh, I wonder if any will go for it.
I'm working on one of the General Election counting stations, I'll let you know. 😉
“I think the way the MSM has treated the Conservatives and Reform over the campaign is nothing short of a national disgrace, and I recommend all supporters put an X in both boxes on Thursday to register their anger”
I wonder if that's actually been posted by a lefty, deep, deep, deep undercover.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/875e9615-9a42-43b9-8902-34aa9601478a
Ive been reminding Tory voters to get out and vote in the 5th.😉
Just as a wind up as obviously they aren't that daft but the replies are "amusing".
Theres now video of Farage being up staged by putin
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1807141707571454290?t=Tc7iRmak285Fq1CTyC0Hrg&s=19
Wonderful! They can't even take the bloody thing down! 😂
I bet it Nige is having a big dose of paranoia these days. 👍😁
You know that although he tries to make light of it, he goes off stage later and verbally kicks the shit out of his team!
Superb 👏
II just wish that he personally tried to take it down.
That’s priceless! 😂
^^ Farage seems to be having his very own Portillo (clothing) moment these days.
Bit ot but did anyone read anything about Portillo declaring support for Reform or something? Not sure if it was a fever dream or something.
His clothing looks like the bastard offspring of Portillo and Rees-Mogg
In that clip the double-breasted jacket in a contrasting colour to his trousers was pure Adolf Hitler.
He just needed the swastika armband to complete the look.
In that clip the double-breasted jacket in a contrasting colour to his trousers was pure Adolf Hitler.
Now you mention it, you're spot on there.
Random thought I had earlier:
Can opposition parties form a coalition to give themselves more chance of being the official opposition?
No
I feel this whole gleeful Tory’s are toast meme isn’t going to age well when we are faced with proper naked facism
Yep, what comes next might be very bad, the only saving grace is that time is not on the side of the older reform/Tory voters with xenophobic views and Trump.
Which is why the parties should have attractive policies to people under 30. Maybe scrap student loans, no tax requirement until 30 years old, housing subsidies and so on.
If you can get younger people more engaged they will start to drown out the old reform/tory ****ers but you have to be offering something to them to give them a step up to even come a bit closer to the boomers situation. It doesn't look like any parties are bothering to me.
@kerley we tried that under he who is not allowed to be named, seemingly we're never allowed to do that again.
It doesn't help that any young person engaged enough to actually get elected (Ross Greer, Mhairi Black etc.) just get roundly ridiculed. Almost like anyone not pandering to Gen X or older isn't welcome. Wonder why?
Young tories at Warwick uni signing Hitler youth songs
Apparently it's popular with the far right on TikTok at the moment
Genuine WTF?
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1807335824230396037
Twas ever so. Young Conservatives have always been wrong uns.
In their (very limited) defence, they are young, probably don’t fully understand the significance and stupidity, and it’s in the vein of “We are Millwall, everyone hates us, we don’t care” type bravado.
I wonder how many of them realise that if they’re identified from this video, that’s the end of their political careers? And rightly so.
Apparently Rishi has said that the country is in a better place now than it was in 2010.....
Is he trying to prove outright he has no connection with reality?
I spent a few seconds too long reading Reform tweets to get in the mind of the enemy and now the algorithm is deluging me with facist nutters
I must say Liz Kershaw was a suprise! Always remembered her as someone who played great music back in the day when the radio was the only place to hear new stuff
Full Metal Hat now
No doubt there were some polls that said Corbyn would beat Johnson
I doubt that.
And I think that most polls showed that Sanders was the best placed Democrat to beat Trump, it wasn't just the odd outlier.
In the interests of research I watched a bit (only a bit - I'm not a masochist) of QT on iPlayer, and Farridge did get quite a bit of stick from the audience. Probably a bit of a surprise to him considering the deference usually displayed by the Beeb.
DrJ
Full Member
In the interests of research I watched a bit (only a bit – I’m not a masochist) of QT on iPlayer, and Farridge did get quite a bit of stick from the audience. Probably a bit of a surprise to him considering the deference usually displayed by the Beeb.
Farage has had a hall pass for way, way too long hasn't he?
I've just been reading a few Sunday paper summaries - last set of sundays before the actual election. And one thing that has struck me is how anonymous some of the previous visible conservatives have been. I know some aren't standing again but Priti Patel, Mark Francois, Ree-Mogg, etc, ...... have barely been seen. Do they not endorse Rishi, are they too toxic to be let out, what's the deal?
grahamt1980
Full Member
Apparently Rishi has said that the country is in a better place now than it was in 2010….. Yeah, I saw that.
I can't see a single government run aspect of society that's better than in 2010. As a country we are far more divided too.
I don't think for a second he believes it either. However, his life and that of the cronies are undoubtedly better and by better I mean richer.
And one thing that has struck me is how anonymous some of the previous visible conservatives have been. I know some aren’t standing again but Priti Patel, Mark Francois, Ree-Mogg, etc, …… have barely been seen. Do they not endorse Rishi, are they too toxic to be let out, what’s the deal?
Hopefully they've been decommissioned and their body parts put to better use, such as bait for creel fishermen/bottom feeders
Do they not endorse Rishi, are they too toxic to be let out, what’s the deal?
Political genius and delusional, ego-crazed narcissist that he is, it was Rishi’s decision to make this a presidential style election campaign with himself front and centre
I’m sure that the rest of the cabinet were more than happy to go along with that, given the polling
I can’t see a single government run aspect of society that’s better than in 2010
Corruption beneficiary returns? Pretty small segment of society admittedly.
Apparently this afternoon tiktok took down a line stream from a Reform event following hate speech from Anne Widecombe, didn't realise she was still alive.
I'm glad the 'MSM' (well Sky news) have picked up on the young conservative nazi fanboy's (and possibly girls) at Warwick Uni.
With little bit of luck it'll at least bugger up their nascent political careers.
I've just listened to Rishi's interview this morning with Kuenssberg. Dear god, even by his recent standards he was ultra-tetchy, bad-tempered, irritable and condescending. Does he really believe that the tone he takes in this situations - just shouting the same pre-prepared soundbites over and over - makes him look like anything other than a petulant toddler?
Nicely summed up, along with Oliver Dowdens car crash interview, by John Crace
Dim Dowden is not the right Tory frontman to energise flatlining campaign
So it was a rather breathless and even tetchier than normal Sunak that found himself talking to Kuenssberg at about 9.30am. If only the country would show more gratitude to him for the things he had done on its behalf. Laura could barely get a word in edgeways. I’m not sure who told Rish! that a feisty, entitled and condescending manner was the way to endear himself to the public. Maybe he just can’t help himself. Perhaps he’s just not a very nice man.
With little bit of luck it’ll at least bugger up their nascent political careers
Or even enhance them if we go full fasc over the next decade.
Anne Widecombe, didn’t realise she was still alive
That's just the host preparing to discard the husk
2010 - 2024 government achievements? Same sex marriage.
That's it.
Have a squint at the Atlee government record for comparison. You'll not be disappointed
Anne Widecombe, didn’t realise she was still alive.
She's a member of the undead isn't she?
2010 – 2024 government achievements?
I think this pretty much sums things up....
