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In Florida and Texas, Hispanic males voted for Trump much more than predicted. That’s a major concern for the Democratic Party.
Don’t know about Texas but the ‘Hispanic’ quota in Florida has been that way since the ‘Marielitos’ fiasco. The boatlift generation (and their descendants) are some of the most patriotic people I’ve ever met. And ‘patriotism’ for them means God/Jesus and Country. ‘Democrat’ to hardcore US patriots simply means ‘Communism’. No inbetween.
He bombarded those areas with ads and messages comparing Biden to Castro. Looks like it worked.
Aaa, interesting – thsnks. Well, that’s how it works…
Although to be fair, Biden then retorted saying Trump was more like Castro. Prob the dems need to do more than a negative campaign against Trump - what were they offering them?
In Florida and Texas, Hispanic males voted for Trump much more than predicted. That’s a major concern for the Democratic Party.
Crazy support for a man who called Mexicans racists and is actively building a wall between the US and their Hispanic neighbours. But yeah, some questions for Dems to ask themselves there.
He bombarded those areas with ads and messages comparing Biden to Castro. Looks like it worked.
There're a few important things here. One is that "Latino" is about as useful a description as "European". Germans, French, Greeks, Italians, Swiss, Swedes, etc. are extremely varied and you'd be foolish to assume that they all hold identical political views. Hispanics in the U.S. are just as varied - in California, they are overwhelmingly Democratic (I think). In Texas, they are much more conservative. Keep in mind, these are mostly people who were born in the U.S., so assuming they are sympathetic to immigrants is a dangerous assumption.
In Florida, there is a huge Cuban-American population, so they utterly despise "socialism". Bernie Sanders (who isn't really a socialist) made a big show of claiming to be a socialist and a bunch of young people who don't know what socialism actually is got behind that. A lot of the Hispanic immigrants fled socialist countries that are disaster zones, so the biggest gift that Trump could have asked for was for Democrats to run around calling themselves socialists. Total suicide mission there.
There’s little evidence that poll respondents are lying, however. More pollsters believe it’s actually a difficulty reaching voters more likely to support Trump in the first place, either because they’re harder to find or are less likely to take phone surveys even if reached.
If u believe qanon shit you're not going to be engaging with pollsters
YouGov predicted Biden winning pop vote by 9pts, he's looking at maybe 7pts?
State level polls really struggle to catch those hardcore trump fans
I still think there's a reasonable chance dems can snatch the senate, especially if Trump turns his Ire on the GOP
I had hoped that Trump would've gone on election night - however I am very much enjoying watching his death by 1000 cuts.
Trump s got where he is with overconfidence and bluster, a personality style that gets you far in America. I don't credit him with any intelligence from what I've seen in the last 4 years, unless his brain has actually turned to mush thru dementia and he used to be sharp
In new York and Atlantic city he became too big to fail and so was propped up by the banks and lenders
When the Taj Mahal casino tanked he had to ask his daddy for help otherwise he d have been screwed. In the end so many small businesses and contractors failed and fell by the wayside cos he couldn't afford to pay them. He's an absolute scourge and I'm looking forward to seeing him sink
I had hoped that Trump would’ve gone on election night – however I am very much enjoying watching his death by 1000 cuts.
Yes, absolutely this! 😀
what were they offering them?
Promising to act to save them, their families and their country from the worst that both climate change and coronavirus are doing to them? Trump was only offering to stuck his thumb up his arse and count the deaths.
Yes it is torture, but he has grounds to complain and it's tight enough to be manipulated. A proper kicking would have been better for the country.
Confession time, I ended up absolutely raving drunk on Tuesday and Wednesday evening by 7:30pm thanks to this election drama. Last night I was (sober) checking twitter until 1am. Trump's slow motion train crash is being played out in real time. Far too many Conservative MPs are posting pro-Trump memes, but the backlash on social media is merciless.
Oh and Stacey Abrams is my new political hero.
@molgrips really? He inherited circa $500M, is now worth possibly $3B, and that is on top of having lived a proper billionaire’s lifestyle for many years, not to mention paying for his presidential campaign! That is a helluva interest rate from this bank of yours 😳 Sign me up!!
The only part of his business empire that made any money is the part his dad built. He’s been bankrupt more times than he’s been married but because of bankruptcy laws, somehow managed to hold on to most of his assets. His billionaires lifestyle is largely funded by debt, 100s of millions about to come due.
He didn’t pay for his presidential campaigns no matter what he says. RNC, fundraising and, quite possibly, Russian and Chinese interests.Business man my arse. He couldn’t organise a profitable bank robbery
For balance, he's never been made Bankrupt personally, he uses US bankruptcy regulations in the same was a lot of UK Ltd Co. use liquidation to screw suppliers and creditors over.
As for his real net worth, no one really knows, not even Trump I suspect, who seems blinded by ego. He's stated as high as $8bn, but unbelievably he valued his 'Brand' at $4bn... about 8 times what Oprah values hers at, and she's widely believed most valuable brand in history.
His personal wealth is completely and complexly mixed in with his various businesses. His flagship properties aren't his per-se, they're owned by companies he owns which is completely normal, but they're heavily leveraged, he doesn't own them anymore than a first time buyer owns their house the day they move in, they own a bit, the bank owns most of it.
It's no myth that his various business ventures have failed to out perform inflation, let alone a well managed fund. Whatever his wealth is now (and he's ALWAYS lied about it since the day his Father passed it on) it would be many times greater if he just handed it over to an investment fund.
His only really profitable enterprise was the Apprentice, he made about $400m from that over 8 years, $50m a year, not bad at all, but his lifestyle would have easily wiped that out and more.
His biggest issues personally are that he owes a couple of major banks around $400m, they're short-term loans due to be repaid in the next couple of years, with no obvious way to repay them. He's made little money from being President, legitimately anyway, who knows what sweetheart deals he's made in his time in office and it's unlikely he'll get another well paid TV job.
The only real facts are that either Trump is a massive tax cheat or he's far, far less wealthy than he'd like people to think he is, the truth is probably both.
The last mostly credible evaluation I've seen of his wealth is that he owns about $1.6bn worth of assets and at least $1bn worth of debt. Forbes still value him at $3bn, but even they has said that he knows the criteria they use to value someone and pays to them.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/28/yes-donald-trump-is-still-a-billionaire-that-makes-his-750-tax-payment-even-more-scandalous/?sh=6c443d8f2885
not really trying to defend him, doesn't sound like he's broke though, DOES sound like he's very good at playing the tax system... it's ok to be (heavily) in debt as long as you can afford the payments... otherwise any of us with mortgages are screwed 😂
Looks like Twitter putting content warning on all his posts is starting to needle him:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324613375213621248
But who can blame them when he is posting dangerous delusional crap like this:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324613181466173440
“Fox, you can’t even trust them,” said Rob Phail, 51, from South Lyon, Michigan, who had been leading the “stop the count” chants. “They’re the worst chameleons of all. So you’re like, OK, who do you trust?”
Asked whom he would trust to confirm the actual results of the election, he said: “Trump.”
And therein is the root of the problem, for hardcore pro-Trumper, nothing is true unless Trump says it is.
They won't trust or accept any other source, no matter how evidenced, as his word is the final word. When you're that far down the hole you can't climb out, even when people throw you ropes or a ladder.
thols2, your post ^^^ about Latinos...
I commented about this as part of a longer post late on Wednesday and we've had 16 pages since then - this is moving faster than the Ling Valentine thread.
Overall this has been a really poor performance by the Dems; one example is their failure to recognise that Latinos are not one homogenous group – their country of origin informs their view of ‘socialism’ which trump and his surrogates shouted about at every opportunity. Biden and his team failed to effectively combat that narrative.
Migrants from Venezuela, for example, see 'socialism' as bad based on their experiences of living under Chavez's leadership and the all too visible economic carnage which resulted.
There was a radio interview with Sidney Blumenthal about this earlier this week.
Cuban Latinos in Florida are different to Mexican Latinos in California and they are both different to Venezuelan Latinos.
There is much for the Dems to learn from this.
We need some vox pops from the UK public on this…
https://twitter.com/rachelparris/status/1324680849464479745?s=21
This is interesting and rather dark:
Trump supporters across the United States increasingly say they no longer trust Fox News, the Rupert Murdoch-owned TV network that has acted as one of the president’s staunchest allies in past years.
As Fox News announced more state-level victories for Joe Biden on Wednesday, Trump supporters across the country grew more vocal in their frustration with the network. Some say they have shifted their allegiance to media outlets that lean even further right, such as One America News, which employs a prominent conspiracy theorist as one of its correspondents.
And therein is the root of the problem, for hardcore pro-Trumper, nothing is true unless Trump says it is.They won’t trust or accept any other source, no matter how evidenced, as his word is the final word.
Classic conspiracy theory stuff. Any attempt to debunk it, then you're one of "them", you're in on it, you're like all the sheeple and you need to question everything.
We're not far off that over here either really. You put out enough random shit, enough half truths, falsehoods, exaggerations, things that sound like they might be true (especially if you can appeal to some inner prejudices) and very soon you're in a situation where no-one really knows for sure exactly what is going on. Repeat that lie a bit, get it ingrained into people's heads (it's why the Tories use Three Word Slogans), possibly a little bit of controlling the media and before you know it, you've made a lie that people are hanging their coat on and will remember far beyond it's natural lifetime.
45 mins to WMD launch
£350m a week to the NHS
Vaccines cause autism
Mail-in votes are fraudulent
For balance, he’s never been made Bankrupt personally, he uses US bankruptcy regulations in the same was a lot of UK Ltd Co. use liquidation to screw suppliers and creditors over.
Sound, thanks for the clarification.
Is the CNN dramatic music they use after ad-breaks an earworm for anybody else? Can't get rid of it 🙄
This should help purge it Jamze
Biden just over 1000 votes up in Georgia now.
for hardcore pro-Trumper, nothing is true unless Trump says it is.
Yep, it’s classic cult behaviour. Only believe the leader and attack anyone that contradicts them.
Any attempt to debunk it, then you’re one of “them”,
Exactly what I’ve been going on about with Flat Earthers. It is almost impossible to persuade someone once they are into that cult-like mindset.
I'm not sure I understand the 'count every vote' thing.
Some are saying the reason counting should stop is because some postal votes were not postmarked at all or weren't post marked the date of the election and are therefore invalid.
A) is this true and if so, if it's the law that they have to be marked the date of the election or earlier then why should they be counted?
B) if the above isnt true how does anyone believe that litigation would be successful?
C) have I misunderstood completely and is Trunp simply throwing his toys out the pram with no basis in reality?
Having wrote that out I can make an educated guess which it is actually...
He has a wealth of $2.5bn.
I have severe doubts that Trump's even in the black. Makings money out of being president may have been the thing that's kept him afloat and he's got 400m to find for Deutsch Bank very shortly. House of cards.
This should help purge it Jamze
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lol. God Save the Queen is supposed to be good too. Off on the bike for a few hours, see if I can clear it...
Trunp simply throwing his toys out the pram with no basis in reality?
This
for hardcore pro-Trumper, nothing is true unless Trump says it is.
Jordan Klepper is consistently brilliant at highlighting the illogical thinker.
Any thoughts on when we get put out of our misery...?
Having wrote that out I can make an educated guess which it is actually
To make it easier to guess. Trump is pro continuing to vote in Arizona where the gap is narrowing in his favour but against it elsewhere when its going against him.
He has a wealth of $2.5bn.
I don't think anybody, including himself, actually know what his net worth is. He seems to have all sorts of dodgy loans and financial arrangements and if his credit gets cut off, he'll have to sell golf courses and hotels in the middle of a massive drop in tourist numbers. My guess is his net worth is closer to zero than $2.5bn.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1323668278783467522
who does he pay back first ? Deutsche bank or the russian mob ? does he have a prenup ? whatever he's worth might be halved in a couple of months.
Anyone else find the reporting (by the counters) of count running totals a bit bizarre?
All of the votes have been cast, so it seems to serve no useful purpose other than to enable and stoke the divisive 'we were winning and now it's been taken away from us' narratives that we are seeing. The need for a spectacle seems to override the binary nature of the vote...
He might end up losing by a whisker, but clearly, his approach of lying and creating conflict is quite effective. Even if he does leave, others will adopt the same approach, not just in the US but also over here.
@frogstomp you need not overthink it beyond your summary analysis. This is the US after all....
The need for a spectacle
If I was Deutsche I'd have called them in well before now, they knew how much exposure they had to the don but the waiting is odd. Watching him have to sell golfcourses will be funny
Even if he does leave, others will adopt the same approach, not just in the US but also over here
Did Brexit/the last election pass you by? 🙂
Thanks for the link btw