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I wonder if the Dems will be more able to out-fund and out-campaign in the senate runoff?
What’s happening in Georgia?
https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/2020/general/georgia
VOTES PCT%
Joe Biden 2,449,371 49.39%
Donald J. Trump * 2,448,454 49.37%
Jo Jorgensen 61,380 1.24%
More likely Don Jr I think :-/
Would be even funnier. I can see the idea of handing over to Don Jr after two 'successful' terms, but after your dad, you know, the one with the personality and the media career, gets unceremoniously booted out after one term, I can't see it getting traction.
I think he will try to invent his role as some kind of custodian of the 'base', a kingmaker of sorts. Also funny as the GOP candidates try to cosy up to him while not cosying up to him!
Under Georgia's election law there is an automatic right to a re-count if the winning margin is 0.5% or less; 2 business days allowed for losing candidate to request re-count.
In round numbers the votes cast were 5,000,000 so Biden would need to be ahead by more than 25,000 to negate that right.
I don't think there are enough uncounted votes for Biden to hit that.
Even if he did, team trump would be banging on the courthouse door.
In the senate vote, looks like both Perdue and Loeffler will be involved in run-off votes so control of the senate is, theoretically, still in the balance; currently 48-48.
From a wider perspective, this whole fiasco might provide impetus to review the entire US voting system.
It's incredibly unwieldy.
I do hope someone in NE scotland is planning an early hours Sat trip to his golf greens with blue dye........
What’s he achieved weeksy?
He became president of the US? He has a wealth of $2.5bn.
That's hardly nothing is it?
Can anyone remember the link to that snazzy animated 'chart race' thing where it showed the states corona infection rates according to levels of republican/democratic support?
He has a wealth of $2.5bn.
Maybe...
The wealth is a red herring. He didn't earn any of it, he was given it. If he'd put the money he was given in the bank he'd have more than he does now. He's actually net losing money.
Also I don't rate his election to President as an achievement much. He shamelessly bullshitted and people believed him.
What he's good at is manipulating people.
It’s incredibly unwieldy.
a good description of america in general.
The reason trump won't release his tax returns is they would show his true wealth.
That would puncture his balloon.
From the Guardian this morning after last night's presser:
‘We have so much evidence’
TRUMP: “We’re hearing stories that are horror stories … We think there is going to be a lot of litigation because we have so much evidence and so much proof.”
THE FACTS: Trump has produced no evidence of systemic problems in voting or counting.
Pennsylvania
TRUMP: “In Pennsylvania partisan Democrats have allowed ballots in the state to be received three days after the election and we think much more than that and they are counting those without any postmarks or any identification whatsoever.”
THE FACTS: The state supreme court, not “partisan Democrats”, ordered that ballots filled out before the end of election day could be received up to three days later and still be counted.
TRUMP: “Pennsylvania Democrats have gone to the state supreme court to try and ban our election observers’
THE FACTS: That is false. The president is wholly misrepresenting the court case. No one tried to ban poll watchers representing each side.
Michigan
TRUMP: “Our campaign has been denied access to observe any counting in Detroit.”
THE FACTS: That is false. Absentee ballots were counted at a downtown convention centre where 134 counting boards were set up. Each party was allowed one poll watcher per board.
Georgia
TRUMP: “The election apparatus in Georgia is run by Democrats.”
THE FACTS: False. The state’s elections are overseen by a Republican – the secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger.
Legality of votes
TRUMP: “If you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.”
THE FACTS: This is baseless. Neither Trump’s campaign aides nor election officials have identified substantial numbers of “illegal” votes. He frequently speaks as if mail-in voting is illegitimate, but it has been done in accordance with state voting rules.
Plus show the level of creative accounting that has happened to let him pay such a small amount in tax
So, if Biden gets Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Pennsyvania and wins 306-232, were the pollsters not wrong after all?
I’ve no idea how close US elections are normally, but that would give him 13% more college votes than Donny Orangeman...
He does have a good point though, which is that if you discard all the votes for Biden, he's the clear winner.
@weeksy have a look at this
https://www.messynessychic.com/2018/03/20/ghost-hotels-of-trumps-atlantic-city-empire/
Or Google Trump University
The guy is a serial conman. Give someone with no morals all the privilege in the world and a billion dollars and yeah they might do ok for a while. The house of cards is crashing down as we speak though.
And that's without even getting into his close ties to organised crime in NY construction/concrete etc
If Biden does win/has won, the US has rejected the wall, Trump and the rest of his baggage.
However the UK thunk Brexit was whizzer and moar Tory was the needed, and Bozzer was the bloke to be behind the steering wheel.
Just sayin'.
CNN basically saying that Biden has won Pennsylvania - just waiting for the announcements.
@molgrips really? He inherited circa $500M, is now worth possibly $3B, and that is on top of having lived a proper billionaire's lifestyle for many years, not to mention paying for his presidential campaign! That is a helluva interest rate from this bank of yours 😳 Sign me up!!The wealth is a red herring. He didn’t earn any of it, he was given it. If he’d put the money he was given in the bank he’d have more than he does now.
So, if Biden gets Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Pennsyvania and wins 306-232, were the pollsters not wrong after all?
Pollsters are never exactly right. In this case, they said that Biden was highly favoured to win, probably by a comfortable margin. However, there was a small chance that Trump could win, and also a small chance that Biden could win a landslide (if he took Texas, for example). In that sense, the pollsters were right.
However, they overestimated Biden's nationwide lead by quite a lot, and state polls were all over the place. Clearly their models have overlooked something important. One possibility is just that Trump supporters wanted to mess with the polls and a lot of them reported being Biden supporters.
In Florida and Texas, Hispanic males voted for Trump much more than predicted. That's a major concern for the Democratic Party.
Regarding the senate, imagine the effect on Trump’s base if it ended up 50/50 and a woman of colour got the final say on every vote. Beautiful.
is now worth possibly $3B
Very questionable.
Interesting thing now is what he does or tries to do during transition. His staff will be bailing out looking for other jobs, and the White House bureaucracy will take their orders from the Biden transition team. He’ll be left on his own in the Oval Office like a squatter with his tweets being censored and the media ignoring him. A fitting end for the narcissist in chief.
@molgrips really? He inherited circa $500M, is now worth possibly $3B, and that is on top of having lived a proper billionaire’s lifestyle for many years, not to mention paying for his presidential campaign! That is a helluva interest rate from this bank of yours 😳 Sign me up!!
Three billion? Give your head a shake - he pays nothing in tax, won't release his tax returns and has been bankrupt almost as often as he's committed sexual assault. If he really had billions, you'd know all about it, rather than him just saying he has, which carries about as much weight as me saying it.
Mccain is not a saint. He’s a politician who likes war but puts a cuddly face on it.
That clip of him singing about bombing Iran was clearly in jest, in response to an audience member asking about sending an airmail message to Iran.
My grandparents sang songs about killing Germans. Actually did too. They were pretty decent human beings though.
Joe Biden voted for war in Iraq, a quagmire that is still killing people. He gave impassioned speeches about and worked with a the fairly racist and very segregationalist Jesse Helms to stop federal funding of school bussing to integrate the south. Yet pretty much everyone one on here and around the world is hoping he becomes next president. So you could say that biden is a racist politician who likes war and stopping people of colour having equal access to a fundamental human right. Square that circle.
Not being a saint doesn't mean you can't be a decent human being.
One possibility is just that Trump supporters wanted to mess with the polls and a lot of them reported being Biden supporters.
Much more likely the "shy Tory" effect, no?
In Florida and Texas, Hispanic males voted for Trump much more than predicted. That’s a major concern for the Democratic Party.
Crazy support for a man who called Mexicans racists and is actively building a wall between the US and their Hispanic neighbours. But yeah, some questions for Dems to ask themselves there.
Three billion? Give your head a shake – he pays nothing in tax
That's not actually true though. It's a sensational headline from NYT. One year he paid no tax because he overpaid the year before and had a drop in income.
He’ll be left on his own in the Oval Office like a squatter
Squatting over the drawers in the Resolute Desk, I would imagine.
not to mention paying for his presidential campaign!
I very very much doubt he would have put much money into his campaign..... get the other suckers to pay.
(see his current search for funding of the forthcoming legal battles - if he was that sure and that rich why not pay the legal bill himself??)
@molgrips really? He inherited circa $500M, is now worth possibly $3B, and that is on top of having lived a proper billionaire’s lifestyle for many years, not to mention paying for his presidential campaign! That is a helluva interest rate from this bank of yours 😳 Sign me up!!
The only part of his business empire that made any money is the part his dad built. He's been bankrupt more times than he's been married but because of bankruptcy laws, somehow managed to hold on to most of his assets. His billionaires lifestyle is largely funded by debt, 100s of millions about to come due.
He didn't pay for his presidential campaigns no matter what he says. RNC, fundraising and, quite possibly, Russian and Chinese interests.
Business man my arse. He couldn't organise a profitable bank robbery
Yet pretty much everyone one on here and around the world is hoping he becomes next president. So you could say that biden is a racist politician who likes war and stopping people of colour having equal access to a fundamental human right. Square that circle.
Not being a saint doesn’t mean you can’t be a decent human being.
Support for Biden over Donald outside the US is more a reflection on just how much of a repulsive **** Donald manages to be.
It’s a sensational headline from NYT. One year he paid no tax because he overpaid the year before and had a drop in income.
Ask yourself why it was an NYT headline, rather than a voluntary release of his tax returns, first time in forty years a president has not released them. Ten of the last 15 years, he's paid no tax because he's recorded losses with the IRS, he's also battling with them over a $73 million tax refund he claimed after declaring massive losses.
That’s not actually true though. It’s a sensational headline from NYT. One year he paid no tax because he overpaid the year before and had a drop in income.
He consistently pays no tax because his losses are so massive and he writests them off against his income. Although there are some questions about the legitimacy of that. Doubtless the IRS will take an interest if he loses the protection of the presidency.
In Florida and Texas, Hispanic males voted for Trump much more than predicted. That’s a major concern for the Democratic Party.
Crazy support for a man who called Mexicans racists and is actively building a wall between the US and their Hispanic neighbours. But yeah, some questions for Dems to ask themselves there.
He bombarded those areas with ads and messages comparing Biden to Castro. Looks like it worked.
@zilog6128 sorry not the bank, the S&P 500 according to this:
https://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/donald-trump-index-fund
The point is that after decades of touting his business acumen, his ability to negotiate tough deals and spot good investments, and after spending this entire campaign season arguing that he's qualified for the presidency based on his skills in the market, Trump nonetheless has an investment record that at best roughly matches and at worst underperforms the market.
CNN just accused Trump of sedition!!
He bombarded those areas with ads and messages comparing Biden to Castro. Looks like it worked.
Aaa, interesting - thsnks. Well, that's how it works...
That’s not actually true though. It’s a sensational headline from NYT. One year he paid no tax because he overpaid the year before and had a drop in income.
It wasn't just one year. And nothing in the tax returns to show he pre-paid/over-paid.
'Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.
He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.'
Marina Hyde
There are several reasons presidents cry. Anyone who has ever had one and been up half the night with it – or all the night with it, night after night – can tell you this. Sometimes presidents cry because they’re tired, sometimes they cry because need their nappy changed, sometimes they cry because they don’t want you to leave them, sometimes they cry because they have a gnawing pain in their tummy, and sometimes they cry because they’re just being impossible that day and you should probably go to bed and leave them to it but somehow you just can’t.
To anyone going through it currently: this phase will pass. Of course, a crying president demands incredible amounts of attention, and while you’re in the thick of it, consumed by this, it might feel like it will never stop, or at least you won’t make it out. There are many moments in the small hours where you stare at this crying thing and think wryly: wow, what happened to my life? I think I vaguely remember when it wasn’t like this.
The television news – I like to think of it as the president monitor, lighting up each time he needs attention – has been on what feels like pretty much constantly in our house since 2016, the year that Trump won (and the UK began its own extended period of toddler meltdown). A child’s formative years are so precious, and I’m sure our children will benefit enormously from all the times I’ve said “Shhhh, I’m watching the president”, or occasionally even been forced to momentarily stop watching the president to deliver a behavioural verdict. “I know why you’re acting up – it’s to get my attention away from the president acting up. Well, it won’t work.”
politico
When all the votes are tallied, Joe Biden isn’t going to win the popular vote by double digits. Trump lost Wisconsin by a point, not the 17-point defeat one survey suggested. And Trump obviously didn’t go down in an election night landslide, as some polls suggested would happen.
It wasn’t just the public polls that suggested Tuesday would be a big Democratic night. Much of the private polling on which both parties rely suggested Biden would win solidly, and they expected Democrats to benefit down the ballot.
Now that it hasn’t happened, pollsters are wondering whether their methods are fundamentally broken — or just unable to measure Trump’s support, specifically.
“This is not just a few public pollsters out there that missed it. This is something that is unique to this election,” said Patrick Murray, who runs the Monmouth University Polling Institute. “It just seems to be that if the name ‘Donald Trump’ is on the ballot, all bets are off when it comes to the polls being right.”
There’s little evidence that poll respondents are lying, however. More pollsters believe it’s actually a difficulty reaching voters more likely to support Trump in the first place, either because they’re harder to find or are less likely to take phone surveys even if reached.
is now worth possibly $3B
After 4 years of Trump propaganda, you've still not grasped his "Truthful Hyperbole" style? This value comes from one source, a single sheet of financial data from Trump himself and (quote) "A really big financial firm, one of the most respected"...The value of $3Bn comes from a single line in it that states "Value of Real Estate Licensing Deals, Brand and Branded Developments"...ie basically implying a value to what Trump thinks his name is worth.
He's up to his neck in debt and bank loans totalling something like $1.6bn (with no obvious ways of paying it off), and lots of his "weath" is stock in his own (relatively small) real estate companies, and those debts is actual money loaned by banks, not "stuff I've made up in my head" which the value Donald puts on things. There's a further personal debt of $50M on his company. It's probably safe to say that Trumps owns more than the sum of his debts, but he's certainly not a billionaire
Biden lead now 1100 ish in Georgia