[Closed] Types of forum user

Disliked the tags as it was away for cowards without the nerve to stand up for their own views to just post abusive stuff [ they even seem to accept it was used for bullying on here]. How can you be so timid that you are too scared to post using a nom de plume on an anonymous Internet website.
If tags come back how about displaying the posters name ?

They were often funny though

Please don't show our post count, I really don't want to know.

Finding it difficult to have an opinion one way or the other... thinking hard.. hmmm, tea.... still thinking... boil kettle.... unwrap biscuits.... what were we talking about?

zokes - Member
I'll take your word for it. I've only been a member since 2005.
Perhaps it's sarcasm like this they're trying to get rid of?

GW - Member
> Of course there are some characters that annoy me, some are over-eager to jump in on a discussion
from the man who cimments on every thread?

PS - [i]That[/i] was sarcasm.

On balance, I like the simplicity of this place. You could never please everyone with what might be added.

Tags were funny. fair enough some thought they ended up as bullying, when they were directed at me I just tagged back. TBF if you argue etc as much as I did/some do you can't really complain too much.

I joined in 2003, there may not have been as much arguing then, but there were "big hitters" like theprawn who would bully folk, and for some inexplicable reason, were fawned over.

From twitter:

@singletrackmark: Site analytics reveal almost a 10% increase in unique users in the last month. Now 879k uniques/month. How long till we reach a million?

😕

Is that just different ISP when we use our phone, work , home computer or are they claiming each one is an actual different person visiting?

STW do seem keen on getting as many as possible.

Those figures will be for the whole site, not just the forum. Junkyard - I think you have it right, individual IP addresses, though you can do stuff with cookies which gets it closer to individual devices.

When i was at sea, the old hands used to say that you had to do three years before the mast before you could be considered a proper seaman, that was and is ballocks, when i first joined a 'debate' on here i was pulled up by some for being 'new' --- what right did i have to question their 'status/opinion'-- surely you want to make a site egalitarian as possible, inclusive not exclusive, keep things simple, --- or as yossarian hints are there commercial considerations lurking behind these ideas

Okay, we already have our Premier [img] [/img] signs by members names.

So why not just add an "L" plate for new members (so they get treated more gently AND more warily on classifieds and possible spam)?

And maybe a "Yellow Card" symbol for folk who are currently on a warning? 😀

when i first joined a 'debate' on here i was pulled up by some for being 'new'

when i first joined a 'debate' on here i was pulled up by some for being 'new'

One of the most notorious, now lifetime-banned, Big Hitters on here had the username "[url= http://singletrackworld.com/members/rudeboy/ ]rudeboy[/url]" (amongst many others).

You can understand why some were a little suspicious of "rudebwoy" - don't take it personally.

Interesting "How can we [s]increase our advertising revenue[/s] improve things for you guys" thread

I struggle with long sentences so not sure if it's already been suggested or if it's possible but can we have our own notes section? So when logged in we can put notes against a user, so those of us with crap memories can remind ourselves who we're talking with. Just for our own info, not publicly displayed.

DOnk, tall hairy northerner rides a hemlock
Junkyard, witchfinder general on a 5
troutie creator of awesome lightage
Lowey, lord of rivington manor

Just an idea

Yer go away on t'holibobs and this happens.

It ani't broke's like sar dunnaie fix it.

But do bring back the Tags, they were hilarious and very witty indeed.

I believe mine was witchfinder general of the left rather than just witch finder. is that a promotion or a demotion before I decide how upset I am ?

Moderator: thought police 😉

was rudeboy a professional antagonist, the W in mine gives a whole different connotation,how the name arose is another story......

The mods/admin can suss these things out pretty quickly, can't see the need to involve all hands in subjective tagging, there's enough of that unofficially anyhow

Is it April fool already?

FWIW I think the mod crackdown is probably a good thing.

Before it was like some arguing was allowed, but it was a grey line as to what would get you a ban. Now it's much clearer, and nicer.

Still not sure how GW gets away with it tho.

And maybe a "Yellow Card" symbol for folk who are currently on a warning?

rudebwoy - Member

was rudeboy a professional antagonist

rudeboy, under his various aliases was, unfortunately, subject to the raging effects of ADHD which led to him eventually, after several bannings becoming offensively abusive to one of the mods.

Execution swiftly followed.

You can still follow his rants on FB and Twitter, apparently...

WHihlst I'm on and thinking about it... Why indeed not have some sort of L Plate (as mentioned) for newbies.. we can then single them out for ridicule.. perfect.. and deffo a "yellow card" for those on some sort of warning.. we too could point at them and giggle.. quite possibly a dunces hat or a virtual "corner of a room" where we could indeed look at them and laugh.. THen perhaps we could have a good boys and girls section for those that sit at the front, take notes and perform well in exams.. and what about the creative types, those that aren't quite as akademik as others, you know a sort of Art Skool area..
Can we have a restaurant section too.. lets fill it with coffee and biccies and cake.

What an odd topic to bring to the forum.

Still not sure how GW gets away with it tho.

🙂 that comment is almost a funny as Valverde complaining about riders cheating in the Vuelta

Get away with what Al?
Oh.. and 2003? You aint really a BIG anything, you're a bit of a noob here really 😉

TimB - I remember you, CoyoteDH3 around 2001, eh?

Ps. Was 2003 pre or post log-in req to post?

Bring back tags, a post count / member since / avatar thing would be OK, (as long as the avatar is a small, ideally non-animated image). This labelling* thing would be divisive, and probably lead to more people leaving.

* apart from 0-50 posts = newbie, 50-1000 = ... etc.

TimB - I remember you, CoyoteDH3 around 2001, eh?

TBH GW, not really 😳 though it does form some kinda recollection, sorry 'bout that. Much has happened on all levels for me since '01.

I do remember a chap called Alex (Leith?), top dude and good riding around the Chilterns, he also had a SC Superlight at the time - they were rather niche back then 😉 Thought I saw him in an MBR ride guide thing a little while back in the South West IIRC.

Coulda been TimD 😉

Instead of an actual post count in numbers, you could have a little bike next to your name, increasing in size or number, depending on how many posts you make.
So if you are new, you get a small bike or maybe just one bike, then the more you post you get a second bike, or a bigger bike, depending on which works best, up to a maximum of say 5 bikes for the people that post the most.
Then when you have your maximum number they change colour!

It could encourage people to make more posts as they want to see their bike grow or get more bikes.
But it also shows other members if somebody os new or less experienced on the forum.

So we all end up on 29ers?
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Hi GW - * waves *

You're more obnoxious than anyone on here at the moment Gary, don't pretend otherwise.

RD your record is stuck, whine at someone else, eh?

Saucer of milk?

RD your record is stuck, whine at someone else, eh?

But no one else of importance apart from cynical exsists on this forum if we read your posts correctly

Maybe "approved by cynical" next to forum names would be a good idea? I fear the list of users would be short however

Saucer of milk?

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Is it just me, or do tags work?

As a Premier user, you can still Tag - but only when you post. This makes it easier for the mods to trace the tagger.
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Hi GW - * waves *

As a Premier user, you can still Tag - but only when you post. This makes it easier for the mods to trace the tagger.

As a Premier user, you can still Tag - but only when you post. This makes it easier for the mods to trace the tagger.

Surely the fact the tag is linked to the poster in your database (hence you can delete your own tags on a thread) makes it very easy for the mods to trace the tagger without having to guess based on who posted when? Or does Tom's software not allow you to do that (maybe he should be working on that than adding flags for troublemakers)?

I can kind of understand the point of only allowing tagging when you post, as that prevents tagging without contributing to the thread, but it's killed off tagging, as generally you don't think of a tag at the same time as you post. I suppose it depends what the mods think the point of tags was anyway - for many of us it was a bit of harmless fun, but it seems they're only supposed to be for serious purposes. The irony is that I did sometimes used to go onto threads just to add useful tags, but can't do that any more.

You could always just get rid of the tags altogether if they're so misused - or if abuse via tags was such a problem just ban people from tagging.

Two hundredz.

The irony is that I did sometimes used to go onto threads just to add useful tags, but can't do that any more.

+1... very annoyed about it, but not enough to want to become a "P"

The posters I most enjoyed conversing with have been banned or stopped posting (which means they have been banned without me knowing or simply lost the will to post). E-mails I get from the mods are ruder than anything I've ever posted myself. It would appear people capable of independant thought and the intellectual agility to defend their views are not welcome here.

I've just been reading some Conseil de l'Europe documents, notably the "Convention pour la protection des personnes à l'égard du traitement automatisé des données à caractère personnel", Tom (it's currently undergoing a rewrite and my rights are becoming clearer). How about we cut a deal: You erradicate all trace of me and my posts from STW and your company data bases, and in return I do nothing at all.

Deal?

I've just been reading some Conseil de l'Europe documents, notably the "Convention pour la protection des personnes à l'égard du traitement automatisé des données à caractère personnel", Tom (it's currently undergoing a rewrite and my rights are becoming clearer)

Ooh. Get her.

mm Cliquey would be my first reaction. Followed by what happens if someone makes a data protection request and asks to see your labelling.

Danger!!

(Tin Foil hat for me please).

+1 for eradicating Edukator.

I've just been reading some Conseil de l'Europe documents, notably the "Convention pour la protection des personnes à l'égard du traitement automatisé des données à caractère personnel", Tom (it's currently undergoing a rewrite and my rights are becoming clearer)

Ooh. Get her.

Are you referring to the 1984 Act? It is worth remembering that what you post is in the public domain distributed worldwide, however we do treat personal data seriously; requests should be directed to me or the office.

I was reading this thread during a very dull call and nearly spat out my coffee on finding

I do remember a chap called Alex (Leith?), top dude and good riding around the Chilterns, he also had a SC Superlight at the time - they were rather niche back then Thought I saw him in an MBR ride guide thing a little while back in the South West IIRC.

*waves* - Hi Tim. Crikey that was a long time ago. Superlight died on Les Gets DH course in 2003, Route guide was prob exmoor or Malverns both in What MTB. Blimey it's like Friends Re-united before Facebook. How are you?

*sorry please have your thread back*

*sorry please have your thread back*

Oh, no! You keep it. You touched it, you bought it.

Are you referring to the 1984 Act?

I assume, (and of course you know this, don't you?) that you mean the 1998 Data Protection Act, which replaced the 1984 Act.

French data protection is a minefield you really don't want to get bogged down in! CNIL....Argh!

It was adopted by the council of Europe in 1981 and includes 47 countries included the UK. A username should be considered personal data. I can therefore ask you to delete it whereever it appears. There's also the right to ammend information concerning you and information provided by you. That'll be everything I've posted then.

On the understanding that we are talking about a complete eradication of everything I've contributed to STW, known as "bozoing" then yes, I'll contact you at the office. If my posts remain visible then I wish to retain my right of reply.

however we do treat personal data seriously; requests should be directed to me or the office.

So it is possible to find out what labels the mods can see by putting in a request?

This might be a good time to thank you for the Ski and Snowborad threads, Flash. One part of STW that has always remained positive despite differences of opinion. Proof that threads can be self-moderating, especially if the contributors feel some affinity with the OP (or CT in this case).

Let me state clearly that the mods do not 'label' or otherwise classify beyond the obvious, nor do we automatically do so. There is no secret list. We record your warnings, bans, posts, which in theory you've seen, and other obvious things. We have a mailing list for discussing bans and suchlike.

[i]So it is possible to find out what labels the mods can see by putting in a request? [/i]

I suspect a data protection request would only show data specifically related to you rather than all of the data available to users of the 'application'.

I guess if you try and hit as many of the moderators triggers as possible you'll be able to see a lot of the user tags they use 😉

What does the first part of this mean then?

Let me state clearly that the mods do not 'label' or otherwise classify beyond the obvious, nor do we automatically do so. There is no secret list.

To help the moderators we are adding various reports and warning signals to identify suspect troublemakers. You won't get to see these

?????

Let me state clearly that the mods do not 'label' or otherwise classify beyond the obvious, nor do we automatically do so. There is no secret list.

But yesterday:

To help the moderators we are adding various reports and warning signals to identify suspect troublemakers. You won't get to see these,

❓

It seems Mark isn't the only one at STW towers to contradict himself within the same thread (though his was in the same post: on the one hand bragging about how traffic was up and there was no evidence that any posters damaged this, then going on to say he had very real proof that some -ve use had caused people to cancel subscriptions etc)

EDIT: pwned x3

I'm on STW records as a "bully" then as that's how I was refered to me in one of your e-mais, TOM. No court in the land would consider linking a poster's own threads to be bullying. I'd like that removed along with everything else.

...I suspect that in actual fact, discussions about particular posters on your private mailing list would also come under Data Protection.

Edukator - this is quite an elaborate flounce!

I'll just quote this so it doesn't get lost when [img] [/img] is sucked into the ethereal void:

This might be a good time to thank you for the Ski and Snowboard threads, Flash. One part of STW that has always remained positive despite differences of opinion. Proof that threads can be self-moderating, especially if the contributors feel some affinity with the OP (or CT in this case).

{Note: consider this a new derivative, modified variant of the original work for the purposes of criticism or satire. As such it is not subject to deletion when the original work is removed} 😀

What does the first part of this mean then?

[i]I'd like that removed along with everything else. [/i]

leaving the forum would probably do that?

Maybe we should get together and between us quote all of a certain poster's posts so that the information is retained for posterity...

leaving the forum would probably do that?

As discussed, unlike EvilFaceBook, there isn't actually a way to remove your account from STW. Something that under data protection laws is quite possibly illegal [i]if[/i] the admins won't do it manually when asked

I haven't read the whole thing, sorry.

My view woudl be that as long as personal data is removed (email address and any biography) that any posts 'belong' to stw as the publisher and not the poster anyway.

Maybe we should get together and between us quote all of a certain poster's posts so that the information is retained for posterity...

Good plan. We'll quote everything of value he has contributed over the years, so it's not lost.

Erm....

you start... 😉

Isn't the latest EU Directives and more importantly Member State legislation of more relevance to internet data protection than some stuff from 1981?

finished 😉

I haven't read the whole thing, sorry.

That would be a good tag for a few people but you'd need to change it to

" I haven't read the whole thing, but I'm not going to let that stop me..."

It seems Mark isn't the only one at STW towers to contradict himself within the same thread (though his was in the same post: on the one hand bragging about how traffic was up and there was no evidence that any posters damaged this, then going on to say he had very real proof that some -ve use had caused people to cancel subscriptions etc)

Traffic and subscribers are not the same thing. With that in mind I can't for the life of me see any contradiction.

[i]" I haven't read the whole thing, but I'm not going to let that stop me..." [/i]

I've been the first person to post after the OP and used that approach 😉

[edit] I do think that whilst done with the best of intentions this thread was never going to end well.

Never discuss, never explain. Would be my advice to Mark and the stw staff. Too many people on here want to have a pop.

Never discuss, never explain. Would be my advice to Mark and the stw staff.

[url= http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs/Rules ]Rule 6[/url] 😉

To help the moderators we are adding various reports and warning signals to identify suspect troublemakers. You won't get to see these

Sorry Tom, I was a bit unclear with what I was asking there.
What I actually meant to ask was what does the first part of this mean [u]to the average forum user[/u]. Looking back to page 3 and the examples as you suggest, I'm not really worried that I'll be mistaken for a spambot selling dresses from Asia or someone who only posts 'hello' in occasional threads. My concerns were more about how the "reports and warning signals" would be applied to normal posters.

PS
I am still interested in the label "[i]crocodile fighter[/i]" if you do go down that route. I noticed that someone else has enquired about it too, but I don't mind sharing.

There are guidelines wwaswas (edit: guidelines on the implementation of the 1981 European Data Protection Convention). My argument if my request were refused would be that as the forum moderators had been selectively editing my posts against my wishes my contributions as seen by STW viewers are distorted in such a way as to "me porter préjudice".

Someone mentioned Facebook earlier and Facebook satisfied the legislators by providing the possibily of deleting one's acccount. When you do this, anything that reamins on Facebook's computers can not be linked to any means of identifying you - nom, adresse électronique, adresse postale, pseudo - note it includes "pseudo". Posts if they remain must be anonymous.

Traffic and subscribers are not the same thing. With that in mind I can't for the life of me see any contradiction.

Semantacally, you are correct. However, you appeared to demonstrate how the business was growing, and how impervious this growth was to the effects of any one or a group of users. But then you seemed to go to great lengths to demonstrate why it was important for business that said users stop. Which I'm sure you'll agree is a tad contradictory...

Edukator - I can't think of any forum, anywhere that removes all of a users posts if their account is closed, for whatever reason? They can't *all* be breaking the law in whatever domains they're hosted?

I can't think of any forum, anywhere that removes all of a users posts if their account is closed, for whatever reason?

IIRC that's what happened on mtb-wales???

There was a spate of bannings - accounts were deleted and all posts by a banned user disappeared. There were a lot of very, very odd threads

I had it done on Bikemagic, wwaswas. I disappeared without trace for six months. I then reappeared during a site upgrade which showed that I'd been hidden rather than deleted. The search function failed on BM at the same time so as non-one could find anything anymore it didn't bother me that my contributions were visible again and I didn't do anything about the reappearance (and things had calmed down so I no longer feared for my life or spouse's job). The only contribution I've made since was a best wishes message to David Arthur when he left the site as he'd been the one to sort out my bozo request.

Couldn't a filter be applied - like on that killfile thingy - so that every post by the contributor in question was changed to "Edukator said something stupid"?

I've got a reasonably good understanding of libel and I don't think he'd have a case against you.