New series tonight and a suggestion of a plot twist with the “red cloak”. I wonder if that would be given to a traitor who can kill another traitor?
I shall tune in but based on the reporting of who is taking part, their occupations, it sort of feels now that the players are possibly a bit “professional” which might take some of the fun out of it. Is anyone actually going to now believe anyone at all when they say they are not a traitor?
Will watch first episode tomorrow. I've a version of the game that has other roles - the seer and the doctor. Each turn the seer can ask for the true identity of a person to be revealed, and the doctor can select a person to be healed if they have been selected to be killed. I wonder if the red cloak is one of these, or similar?
I’d heard a rumour that the Red Cloak Traitor is someone that the audience doesn’t know is a Traitor.
We also have a Traitors card game (different to the one mentioned above) and it’s been a Christmas holiday staple - great fun.
Last year's non-celebrity Traitors was too screechy and hysterical. This bunch don't seem so bad in that sense - more like professionals than TV wannabes.
Every time they mentioned the hidden traitor we got a close-up on Jade - so it's defo not her! 🤣
Yeah the editors will have a ball with the secret traitor - convince us it's someone only for them to be murdered or banished, then rinse and repeat.
And will there be a replacement recruited if/when the secret traitor gets banished.
Last year's non-celebrity Traitors was too screechy and hysterical. This bunch don't seem so bad in that sense - more like professionals than TV wannabes.
The celebrity version was the first series I'd watched as I find most of these types of shows are spoilt by hysterical wannabe stars. Pleasantly surprised by the folk on this series so far.
Had to chuckle when the retired DCI walked into the bar and said "Ah, so this is the bar!" She's been nicknamed Clouseau in our house as a result.
I watched my first traitors towards the back end of the celebrity version and surprised myself by getting hooked.
Last night - meh. The pointless speculation about who could be a traitor based on zero evidence really grated.
Not sure secret traitor was the most imaginative name. Basically they are traitor's overlord, pulling all the strings. You could have had a lot more fun with that name than 'secret traitor'. I'm putting money on them being either the older Welsh lady or either the unknown (to the rest) mother and daughter.
The secret traitor is a nice idea for us to try our hand at traitor spotting. as long as the producers play fair with what they show. (Which they won’t )
It was fun seeing how annoyed the traitors were when they discovered that they had been stitched up.
I didn’t initially get the angst of the the three traitors about this, but then I can see how the secret one can play the game to get the three knowns banished, leaving them a clear run to the final. I wonder if the cast will ever know, or be told, there are four traitors circulating, or they will work on the usual premise of there being three.
The pointless speculation about who could be a traitor based on zero evidence really grated.
Also, I think it was James, who came out of the round table, asked a Traitor (Polly?) if they're a Traitor, she *obviously* said no and he said how glad he was that she wasn't a traitor.
It was fun seeing how annoyed the traitors were when they discovered that they had been stitched up.
Yep, this amused me too.
It was a good first episode I thought. The usual mix of overly bold confidence as to who is a traitor and how each of them will be so good at rooting people out.
Its a great show, but as my wife pointed out, voting out traitors early doors is useless as they just recruit new ones anyway until the last few days. Just pick a random name or 2 for the first 10 banishments, then focus on who's a traitor when you get to the business end.
The Traitors at The Proms was shown on NYD.
Mixed music from the series performed by the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra and BBC singers with excellent guest singers.
Music includes a Traitors twist on Toxic, Vampire and Bad Guy, classical and the Traitors theme. It's a well-spent 75mins IMHO
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002p19b/bbc-proms-2025-the-traitors-at-the-proms
Very wide berth from me. A bunch of wannabe Z listers trying to make a name for themselves dressed up as cheap entertainment. These kind of shows used to be good but with the power of social media now they have just become a launchpad for attention seekers.
Very wide berth from me. A bunch of wannabe Z listers trying to make a name for themselves dressed up as cheap entertainment. These kind of shows used to be good but with the power of social media now they have just become a launchpad for attention seekers.
I take it that you've never watched it then?
A bunch of wannabe Z listers trying to make a name for themselves dressed up as cheap entertainment.
It's a far cry from Love Island type shows and I've not seen anyone go onto major careers afterwards. The only one I've seen is Alex Gray from season one who's done a few low-level presenting jobs.
It's no launchpad for (temporary) riches!
Very wide berth from me. A bunch of wannabe Z listers trying to make a name for themselves dressed up as cheap entertainment. These kind of shows used to be good but with the power of social media now they have just become a launchpad for attention seekers.
I'm not sure this is very accurate. The 'celeb' version was full of folk who were very much not Z Listers. Maybe if they do multiple series it will be like all the others and get increasingly random z Listers to take part. And the non celeb version is obviously not z Listers - they are nobodies. But much more educated and less vacuous nobodies than love island gets (I assume - don't watch it). This version has a couple of barristers, a phycologist, a retired police detective inspector and....others I now forget.
I don't think I'll be arsed to watch beyond last night but it's pretty obvious that's it can't be dismissed as just the same as all the others big brother style dross.
The actual premise is quite clever - based on a phycology experiment by a russian academic in the 80's where the uninformed majority are always beaten by the informed minority. I just don't know if I have it in me to watch the uninformed majority making up daft assumptions and theories.
I am a fan and think that the secret traitor is a great twist as it involves the audience in trying to identify the person.
The frustrating thing I find with the format is when people that you think will get voted out early on. In the celebrity version I was looking forward to watching Nico but he was gone very swiftly and I was disappointed when Netty (fun personality) and Judy (loved hearing the Doncaster accent) left the game as I think they were two of the more interesting characters.
It's interesting to me that despite there now having been multiple series all following along similar lines none of the participants seem to have cottoned on to the important points that (a) you really don't have a clue for quite a while, odd variations in speech and behaviour really are not significant evidence and it's just guesswork where "gut instinct" is worthless and (b) the priority for the most part for the faithful is not to catch the traitors but simply ensure that someone else is banished other than yourself. It doesn't matter one whit that the faithful banish their own, repeatedly, unless they do it right to the end of the game. You don't have to work out who is a traitor, you just have to jump on the bandwagon and pick on whoever is today's scapegoat.
So, bets on the secret traitor?
I’m going for Fiona, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Roxy.
MrsTH reckons Amanda or Ellie.
Very wide berth from me
I'd argue that opening, reading then commenting on a thread about a TV show you pretend is beneath you suggests that you are giving it a very narrow berth.
I reckon Ellie, simply because she said the phrase, “secret traitor” rather than simply ”traitor”
The detective Amanda or the other barrister Harriet for the secret traitor, although the person in the cloak looked big, so Ross the PT Trainer.
barrister Harriet
The way she skewered Hugo was masterful, hope it isn’t her!
I thought Amanda to begin with, but would be a massive waste of her skills to do so, so reckon not just from a good telly point of view.
I reckon Ellie, simply because she said the phrase, “secret traitor” rather than simply ”traitor”
We caught that too - obviously only the traitors and viewers know of a "secret traitor", so it stood out.
She hasn’t featured all that much in the pieces to camera either, so wouldn’t have to lie directly to camera, much.
Thoughts on the rumour that everyone knows at least one other person IRL?
Ross and Ellie supposedly pictured on a work do in 2024.
Would explain the ‘family’ tree…
I think there's something going on along the lines of everyone knowing someone. The family tree must have some significance.
I thought there was a good chance Amanda/Hugo were siblings, but if they were I would have thought it would have been revealed to the audience when Hugo was banished. There was speculation in the house at one point that they were partners, and she said 'but I'm a lezza". Not sure why no one suggested they were siblings at that point. On Amanda, I thought her description of someone sitting across the table from her as "being at my 12 o'clock", wasn't the best language to use for someone trying to avoid being ID'ed as police!
Maz & Faraaz seem too obviously father & son for it to be the case, but who knows.
I'm finding it hard to be too invested in who the secret traitor is as the evidence the audience gets is entirely down to the editing. For what it's worth, I'm not buying that Fiona is as clueless as she makes out, so she would be my bet.
*Smug Face*
I don't get the point of revealing the secret traitor , I thought the idea was to keep us guessing to the end 🙄
I think there's something going on along the lines of everyone knowing someone
Another link revealed tonight, so who knows?
Can't see the male traitor surviving the 2 female ones, he's on borrowed time.
Can anyone explain the '5 People In The Room' theory please?
I know the Scottish bloke said something like 'If I die, one of the people in this room is guilty,' - but how/why is that so?
Cheers.
Not quite - he said " if I go, then it's Ross".
There were only 5 other people in that room who could have heard him, so the (correct) theory is that at least 1 of those 5 is a traitor...
Thanks, and sorry if being thick, but why? What am I missing? Why must one or more of those 5 have been a traitor?
… is it along the lines of:
1) Traitor hears him say 'If I go, it's Ross'
2) Traitor gets him murdered to implicate Ross
3) Scottish Navy man's murder proves one of the 5 is a traitor
?
And what was the original rationale for him believing that if murdered, Ross was a traitor?
Because having heard what Ben said, the Traitor has used that statement to frame Ross. It’s based on the assumption that Ross isn’t a traitor and that this was an ideal opportunity to put him in the spotlight
(also, why didn't the bloke who clearly saw Rachel and Stephen plotting by the family tree say anything last night?)
(also, why didn't the bloke who clearly saw Rachel and Stephen plotting by the family tree say anything last night?)
Because in a competitive game, sometimes it's better to keep knowledge to oneself?
Thanks, and sorry if being thick, but why? What am I missing? Why must one or more of those 5 have been a traitor?
Because only those 5 people knew that he was implicating Ross as a traitor. Therefore when the traitors chose him to be murdered, then it is likely that at least one of them knew about it, but mistakenly thought that everyone else was aware and so wouldn't give them away. I'm surprised that by the same logic the normal traitors didn't pick up on the fact that the secret traitor also had to be there, which they were.
I thought the same as @DorsetKnob
He nearly didn't survive the roundtable so keeping that info for future use is dodgy .
(also, why didn't the bloke who clearly saw Rachel and Stephen plotting by the family tree say anything last night?)
"can you go away while Stephen and I have a secret chat in front of this picture"
Yeah that's really sus!
Either he's stupid or has been told [by the program makers?] not to say anything as it would then be obvious who the remaining traitors are.
If it doesn't come out then I'll be very disappointed.
" if I go, then it's Ross".
said the man with no [more of a ] clue [than anyone else]. 🙄
Yeah that's really sus!
Either he's stupid or has been told [by the program makers?] not to say anything as it would then be obvious who the remaining traitors are.If it doesn't come out then I'll be very disappointed.
Unfortunately we don't know how often people are asking others to go away while they have a private chat. If it was a suffiently common occurrence then Reece may not have registered it as unusual. As ever, we are limited by the edit the producers show to us.
Either he's stupid or has been told [by the program makers?] not to say anything as it would then be obvious who the remaining traitors are.
This +1
I'd be surprised if the producers didn't have to step in at that point and cover for the traitors being such obvious muppets.
The problem for the show is that it was both of them. One getting caught voted off would be good TV, but both of them spoils an entire week as you vote one off, the other is therefore outed by inference, the subsequent murder is pointless as everyone knows and there's no suspense at the next round table either.
As others said, the show will just add more traitors to keep the numbers up, I assume they always plan to add one just because you'd get some of them out just by random chance, and if you have too many to begin with then exposing 4 or 5 becomes too easy or they get found out because of their behaviour together.
I'd be surprised if the producers didn't have to step in
Why would they? If the traitors all get voted off, the game doesn’t end? If anything there’s gonna be more confusion etc cuz the remaining faithful aren’t gonna know how many would be replaced and as they keep having to vote people off it would almost make for better telly?
Unfortunately we don't know how often people are asking others to go away while they have a private chat.
good point
dont know where she got the info from (facebook no doubt), but mrs ex-p tells me tonights episode is the 'most explosive one yet'.
strap in.....
Yep, as @dorestknob says, that would have been perfect evidence to raise. Surely when Stephen made his play at the round table about who was last seen and was last at the family tree, a penny would have dropped with Reece. All he had to say was the two of them were looking at the picture and effectively told me to go away. Nailed on surely…
said the man with no [more of a ] clue [than anyone else].
I made the mistake of watching another episode. It's a no from me.
The shittery of watching people making inane attempts at suppositions on who is a traitor based on the square route of **** all. These are not (all) stupid people. Why's no one got the stones to go to that round table and say "This is all bollocks, why are you all making up such crap theories - I'm going to keep schtum and watch you all until I've got something worthwhile to add"
They should play it like Carrot in a box..
Some absolute leaps going on with this lot.
I love the confidence in their convictions, that then quickly gets shat on from a great height.
said the man with no [more of a ] clue [than anyone else].
I made the mistake of watching another episode. It's a no from me.
The shittery of watching people making inane attempts at suppositions on who is a traitor based on the square route of **** all. These are not (all) stupid people. Why's no one got the stones to go to that round table and say "This is all bollocks, why are you all making up such crap theories - I'm going to keep schtum and watch you all until I've got something worthwhile to add"
Shortly before their overnight murder?
Yep, could be a winning move or backfire. If Fiona nibbles away at the rest now individually, Rachel may be toast.
Pretty sure Stephen wouldve quite happily not taken his hood off in the turret!
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned ! 😁
Fiona had her nose put well and truly out , Stephen looked nervous! 😁
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned !
Fiona had her nose put well and truly out , Stephen looked nervous!
Aye, Fiona has shown her true colours eh?
Indeed, when people were cheering her being the Secret Traitor it became clear to me very quickly she was enjoying the role a little bit too much forgetting it's only pretend 😁
Although the prize money makes it a serious business
Amanda's detective skills were second to none though 🤔and why the hell Reece never used that ammunition re the family tree is beyond me.
I think he’s checked out, and for whatever reason has just lost interest, maybe he really wanted to be a traitor?
Indeed, when people were cheering her being the Secret Traitor it became clear to me very quickly she was enjoying the role a little bit too much forgetting it's only pretend 😁
Clearly she liked being one step ahead of everyone else, and didn’t like that Rachael knew something she didn’t, esp someone she quite liked.
I can't believe that a mature woman threw her toys so comprehensively out of the pram over that. I reckon she might have dropped a bollock there after playing the mildly befuddled invisible faithful.
That Amanda surprised me too. Her reasoning at the last round table was totally baffling, and I reckon she was watching that back last night absolutely cringing with all her supposed detective expertise getting it COMPLETELY wrong over Jade and Rachel.
Finally I' surprised how quickly this has sucked me in, it's the first series I've watched!
Great advert for the Met: decide immediately who you 'don't like the look of', with no evidence, then bully them relentlessly till they're sent down 🙂
Interesting how about the only person to be taking in the evidence, connecting the dots and coming to correct conclusions - and then sharing them clearly - isn't the detective, the PhD student, the barristers or civil servants - it's the hairdresser.
I really hope Jessie wins.
I've had a niggling suspicion that maybe there's been some careful editing when in actual fact Rachel and Fiona concocted this spat between them to lob a hand grenade into the group just to completely flummox everybody?
that would be suicide tho, traitors are always most effective left in the background, you really dont want to be drawn into anything like that in front of everyone. my guess is that rachel will start getting a few votes now and fiona will be golden, a traitor would NEVER behave like that! 😀
i realise im sort of contradicting myself there but..... you know....
I wonder if Fiona has forgotten the ‘thou shalt not snitch on other traitors’ oath she took at the start, and if there will be any ramifications from that.
As I understand it, voting for them at round table is fine whereas a full blown meltdown, less so.
Whatever Fiona's game is she's gone for it way too early.
There are still a lot of players left and she's broken the happy, chatty, Welsh lady character going under the radar. Eyes will be on her as well as Rachel.
Yeah, Fiona got on a bit of a sugar-rush I think. I'd forgotten about the traitor's vow, which she must have broken. But then Rachel's making mistakes too. I wonder how long before heat falls on her, and dominos start to tumble ...
in actual fact Rachel and Fiona concocted this spat between them
I wouldn't put anything past Rachel
Outing somebody would only mean something if you admitted to being a traitor yourself first. Accusing people of being a traitor is the whole point. Not sure she has broken any vow.
Not necessarily, you could claim to have overheard a conversation between the 2 other traitors discussing who to murder, then watch it come true.
But then Rachel's making mistakes too.
i thought she'd been playing it well tbh. and i thought that disclosing amandas secret was also a good idea as it would then put the spotlight on jade. you just couldnt account for fionas reaction.
Until they all go for Jade cos the copper is brilliant and thinks it’s her, then it isn’t, then everyone looks back at Rachel, the coppers best mate…..
I think. 🕵🏻♀️
my guess is that rachel will start getting a few votes now and fiona will be golden
Rachel won't take this sitting down and will be taking aim at Fiona
Stephen = rabbit: headlights
Reece , that sucks!