[Closed] Training and diet talk...

Jamie - I reckon you're as not fat as 40DD.

40DD ate ginger cookies that weren't iDiet compatible yesterday, he's a right chubbyfunster that one!

Phil.
I aint telling you what makes you fat.
You mentioned bread and milk like you think they're an issue ?.
Anyway, in light of your most recent pronouncement...

[i]iSexy [/i]

I'd say mission complete...

**Spontaneuos outbreak of applause**
**wipes something from eye**

[i]Jamie - I reckon you're as not fat as 40DD.[/i]

Whats that ?, a TV channel.

I'm fat and happy.

milk is every morning
bread, well thats
probably about 8 slices per

week!

i figure if i keep breaking
the iDave rules

then when i reach my target
of making every
single woman in the UK pregnant
just by being alive, i can

start to treat myself again and the weight wont
come piling back on, i hope

x

I think you need more Zinc in your diet Philly.

Do you want to try some of my ZincShake??

[i]milk is every morning
bread, well thats
probably about 8 slices per
week!
i figure if i keep breaking
the iDave rules
then when i reach my target
of making every
single woman in the UK pregnant
just by being alive, i can
start to treat myself again and the weight wont
come piling back on, i hope
[/i]

Phil.
Nice posting format, stylish....
😉

As for that ^^^^

Well, I'd say all thanks to one Mr iDave.
A little knowledge may have served us all, well.
😀

EDIT:
[i]probably about 8 slices per
week![/i]

hardly worth bothering with then....
😉

[i]Do you want to try some of my ZincShake?? [/i]

Careful, DD was reported for sailing only slightly closer to the wind...
😉

Well, I've finally managed to kinda get the iDave to work for me, but I've basically had to start some pretty robust calorie restriction in order to lose any weight. Drinking plenty of water, running, riding, being gosh darn strict on the no simple carbs. Ho Hum.

TBF my traditional 'lay off the cake and beer and ride loads' strategy was much less of a hassle and I was marginally less grumpy about it too.

ADH.

I can't see the gun that must be held to your head.
Just turn to the right a bit.

Can you see it now?

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😆

Yeap, got it now, thanks.

How [i]heavy[/i] are you ?.

87kg, down from 92kg after 6 weeks of iDaving. That does include a 4-week lull in which diddly squat happened. I dunno if I was putting muscle mass back on or there were some water retention issues. We'll see.

Well I did the first day of C25k today and it was ok, right knee and hip feel a bit achey. Certainly feels like a better workout than 20 minutes of cycling.

a bit achey

Achey? Hurty?

Not on my watch... be off with you.

If you must... say it aches a bit.

[i]Certainly feels like a better workout than 20 minutes of cycling[/i]

Please excuse my ignorance.
But what have you done instead of ride a bike ?.

[i]87kg, down from 92kg after 6 weeks of iDaving[/i]
I'd call that a result.
So what is the issue with iDave diet ?.

[i]Achey? Hurty?

Not on my watch... be off with you.

If you must... say it aches a bit.
[/i]

Ooo !.
Check the English police !.

I feel right honoured now.

I'd call that a result.
So what is the issue with iDave diet ?.

The issue is that stringent observance should result in around 2kg loss per week, not nil loss. Its also [i]not supposed[/i] to require calorie restriction or high activity levels. Only for me, it seems to need both ...

I have often wondered if I am a sub-clinical diabetic or something, based on my bodies occassionally odd responses to being fed. This would account for the iDave ineffectitude as my body won't react normally to low GI tactics. Not sure I want to open that pandora's box just yet.

C25k

Couch to 5k says Google.

ADH.

Well, if it helps,and at the risk of being stomped by iDave.
I'd suggest that the 2Kg in a week, would be the early stages.
As body weight reduces, the propensity to shed more, tapers, ime.
Until we hit about 12-15 percent BF.

Just what is a typical ADH eating day ?, and what does the day off look like ?.

some people lose 2kg a week, some 4, some 1, some none, but all lose over time until they settle around 12-15% BF

[i]Couch to 5k says Google[/i]

Is completely confused now.
I've never heard of such things.

Are we just talking about.... Running **shudders**

Is Tom just saying he went for a run instead of riding his bike ?.
(seriously)

Cheers iDave, I'll keep soldiering on and see how things pan out.

Solo, given when I was racing a fair amount 10 years ago I was 70kg, I'd say I have a way to go yet before the taper should kick in!

The day off isn't mad, just some bread, milk, fruit and cake. Maybe a beer or two. The stuff I miss.

Typical day, well in the lull period I was having:

brekkie: scrambled egg, 2x100% meat chipolatas or lean bacon
lunch: undressed salad or leftovers or home-made hummus and gram-flour flatbreads
tea: something iDave compliant, made in huge quantities, with huge piles of beans, lentils and veg in order to try and stop me feeling the need for sweet things (those this NEVER works, even if I eat so much I feel sick).

Now I've cut out brekkie as I never used to bother with it, and I'm restricting portion size to about 70% RDA based on some back-of-fag-packet calcs I've done.

Sunday day-off: cereal and milk/long road ride/burger/cherry cake/lamb curry & rice.

Yesterday: black coffee&water/leftover homemade dhal and butter beans/stir-fry veg and oven-baked salmon

Today: black coffee&water/tomatos, coleslaw and hummus/TBC lump of lean meat and huge stack of veg.

😀 Sorry TSY. Yes I went for a run instead of riding my bike because I get a bit bored of road after a while. And my roadie mate said that running helped him out for stamina on the road bike, so I thought I'd try it.

Tom.

Thanks for explaining that, I was genuinely at a loss for what C25K meant.

Hey, if running works for you, you can do my share too.
😀

ADH.

I'd be interested in what iDave says about the mega hungry iDieter.
Cos it sounds like you are / was putting a fair bit away.

[i]The stuff I miss[/i]

Just trying to help here.

But one of my favs was cheese.
I love/d small cheese cubes with a glass or two of red.
But I could do 50g of cheese in a sitting.
😯

I really, liked cheese.
Same with Chocolate, again, I could demolish a fair bit of the worlds supply.

Now, having served a longer tour of iduty than you, so far.
I can honestly say I've kicked cheese into the long grass.
I really do not miss it.

What I'm suggesting is that.
Given time, more than your 6 weeks so far.
You may not miss the things you currently have only on the off day, as much.

Thats my experience.
So, keep on, it may get easier for you, it did for me.

Well, I hope so, always been a carb fiend so any increase in self control in that regard is going to help!

[i]Well, I hope so, always been a carb fiend so any increase in self control in that regard is going to help! [/i]

For me its more like an absence of any desire for those things, now.
very little, if any discipline needs to be exercised as its all become habit.

I genuinely do not miss cheese, bread, pasta or rice.
I am quite lactose intolerant, so had cut out milk anyway.
I still do chocolate, Green and Blacks 85 percent dark.
Occassionally.

In the ole days, I hated dark chocolate.
But after reducing the sugar intake, my sensitiviety to sweet things, highetned, so now I can taste the sweetness in dark chocolate.

Win ! 😀

Keep at it, you'll get there, just like the rest of us.
😉

Not sure if I'll stick with the running yet as i didn't really enjoy it much and i struggle to stick to exercise I'm not having fun doing! That being said i felt shattered at first so at the minute it seems like a challenge i want to conquer!

Day 1 of iDiet in the miketually household: I had bacon and fried eggs for breakfast and the Mrs had the same but with added mushrooms and tomatoes (and less bacon).

Dinner: I had a bag of preprepared carrot, cauliflower and broccoli which was steamed in the microwave, with sliced pepperoni and piri piri houmous(scavenging what was available in the nearby Sainsburys Local). The Mrs had a Subway salad box.

Tea: sausage, bacon, chorizo and three-bean casserole, topped with carrot, swede, parsnip and leek mash and then baked in the oven.

Though we now think the sausage might have been naughty. Maybe?

British chorizo ennit?

celery scooped in almond butter is my new (occasional) snack of choice.

low GI energy bar recipe progressing, third manifestation tomorrow.

I definitely still miss the sweet stuff but not sos bad as I thought I would.

Still miss crisps to. I had a packet of cheese an onion the other week and it was soooo fine... 😳

Only had cheese & tattles once in a month, that's a big step as I used to have baked tatties with cheese an beans oh twice a week sat least. No rice and no pasta.

Skipped breakfast today as I wasn't hungry (well not until ~11.30) had tuna/butter bean salad for lunch, a handful of nuts before a 2.5 hour climbing wall session. Just had a couple of chick pea burger things (not a great success, won't bother trying them again) and a pretty small portion of ratatouille bean stew that I've brewed up for tomorrows lunch (mmmm, tasting good!).

Had 4 mugs black coffee/americano and a black tea. Probably not enough water as I should have though.

Only about 4 mile walk today I'm afraid.

Only ~1 kg drop last week but I did kind go for it on my cheat day. I'm gonna exercise a bit more self control this weekend...

[i]Only ~1 kg drop last week but I did kind go for it on my cheat day. I'm gonna exercise a bit more self control this weekend... [/i]

I'm actually gaining weight.

82Kg this morning.

I'm actually gaining weight.

Does anyone else see their weight go up and down on a weekly cycle? I do a big ride usually on a Sunday, Monday morning my weight spikes up by 1.5-2kg and then drops through the week until Saturday before leaping up again after exercise. The trend is downwards so I dont worry about it but does anyone know why that would be?

I'm 191cm, (6'3) have got down to about 85kg but year after year I never seem to be able to get lower than that. About 15% fat.

[i]Does anyone else see their weight go up and down[/i]

Nope, its just been going one way, UP !.

Was 78Kg about 6 weeks ago, now up to 82Kg.

Properly confused, I am.

Not sure if it may be linked to my recent house move, when my entire life routine was disrupted.

Still, things are settling now, but still not sure how I've reached 82Kg.
❓

Mine goes down>down>down>down>down>stays the same>up>up>up>>up>stays the same for a bit>down>down>down>down>down>etc etc

...I am the original yo-yo dieter.

[i]...I am the original yo-yo dieter.[/i]

Does that involve wearing a crash helmet ?...

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No, why would it?

11st 2lb this morning.

Pushed my weight up to 11st 7 on Saturday night but that was heavy carb eating for a day or two.

[i]heavy carb[/i]

What are they, like Chunky kit kat ?, or something.
😆

Actually, I see your association with weight gain and carbs, there.
But isn't it more like the types of carbohydrate, you know, the Glycemic load, etc, which will dictate the effectiveness they have on increasing your body weight ?.

Coffee Time !.

weight gain pre-event is water, 4g stored with each g of glycogen loaded

So I'd loaded in an additional 400g of glycogen approx.

Oh and Solo I mean heavy as in I was eating a lot of it, not the type of carbs itself.

iDiet meals followed by porridge and chocolate. Then some more chocolate. Then some bread, how could I forget the bread.

[i]bread[/i]

What is this thing ?.

Can you get Chocolate Bread ?.

EDIT

[i]porridge and chocolate[/i]
Ah !, [i]those[/i] kinda Carbs

Looks like you can.

Behold !, Chocolate Bread !.

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There is a God.

Delivery to Solo's house?

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[i]Delivery to Solo's house?[/i]

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Easy, wok smug-gler !.

I've been on holiday for 10 days and have 18 pages to catch up on!

I have come back from Majorca with a 4 a day espresso and cake addiction, along with queen of the mountains for every ride, including a 12km climb! Are you worried Mol? 😛

I've been on holiday for 10 days and have 18 pages to catch up on!

It really is the same old shite, DGOAB 😉

I wouldn't bother DGOAB, most of the thread is shit

[i]along with queen of the mountains for every ride[/i]

Hey DGoaB !, glad you're back.

^^^ is that you then ?, are you queen now ?.

Tell us more.

[i]I wouldn't bother DGOAB, most of the thread is shit [/i]

iDave.
you've such a nice way with words...

Worried? Yes. I am on a business trip in Madrid, I'm knackered and there is no iDiet food available. Playing football tonight though, I might have to show an inappropriate level of commitment to get a decent workout.

Does anyone else see their weight go up and down on a weekly cycle?

I'll fluctuate during the week but generally I'll have lost weight by the end of the week. I've seen me put on 10lbs after a cheat day then lose it within a day or two. Similarly I can be 5lbs heavier in the evening vs my weight that morning though it's gone again by the next morning after I've "evacuated"

I'm knackered and there is no iDiet food available.

There is no meat, veg, beanz and veg? In Madrid?

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I'm knackered and there is no iDiet food available

[i]there is no iDiet food available[/i]

FFS !.

🙄

Don't you lot know that Madrid is world famous for being the coke and cheesecake capital of the universe ?.

There is no meat and veg? In Madrid?

It is difficult to find though, I believe they have different words for practically everything.

Surely, if one speaks slowly and points they will understand? Just rudeness if you ask me.

[i]Supermarkets have aisles devoted to lentils (lentejas), chickpeas (garbanzos) and beans (alubias).[/i]

Its probably a business trip, and so unlikely that MolGrips has cooking facilities.

[i]Surely, if one speaks slowly and points they will understand? Just rudeness if you ask me. [/i]

Don't forget to add an 'O' at the end of any English word you speak to the locals.
That'll sort it.
😉

Surely, if one speaks slowly and points they will understand? Just rudeness if you ask me.

Its probably a business trip, and so unlikely that MolGrips has cooking facilities.

[i]I know, but you get my point, don't you?[/i]

Oh......... Yeah
😉

Yes, I am queen now 😆

Weather wasn't the best but got out 8 of the 10 days we were away for. After complaining to Mustard before we went that i'd lost my climbing ability, it returned out of the blue which was good as on a few days we did 2,400m of ascent! Was loving climbing well again, was second or third up to the top with the fast blokes every ride which was ace. Highlight was climbing to Lluc, descending 12km to Sa Calobra at sea level and turning round and coming straight back up again!

Lovely riding out there, and ace espresso and cakes. Think i'd better weigh myself tomorrow morning though...

Mi mal 🙁

Don't sweat it.

good work DGOAB. I remember climbing Lluc. Don't suppose you managed to get out on any spanish club runs?

taljking of training.. I had a character building ride last night. Went out on the weekly chain gang ride in brizzle. Rode like a maniac to get tot he start as i was late. Heavens opened about 20 miles into the ride. Rode back with 5 others and blew on a climb. Spent the next 5 miles trying to get back on. Couldn't feel my feet or hands all the way home!

[i]descending 12km to Sa Calobra at sea level [/i]

I was going to ask about the descents.
How satisfied are you with your high speed road.

I loved the Lluc climb Tricky, it was the perfect gradient for me to attack on. If i could find a race here with a climb like that in it, then i'd be laughing! After the Lluc climb, me and another girl were sitting on the front doing 40kph on the flat chasing down a girl in front of us. No spanish clubs runs sadly, didn't see many from where we were staying, just tourists. Not enough speed work though so will be ditching the miles and back to intervals and speedwork. Think we might try to go out next year with the guy you were with.

What doesn't kill you will make you stronger Tricky! Looks like our summer was that week in March as i'm back to commuting in winter gear!

Solo, I was descending well, i have got over previous fears and was hanging onto the back of mustard/the blokes on descents. Have now got a good sprint when on the drops too so can still kick if i need extra speed. Generally very happy with how i was descending, seems racing crits with sprints of up to 50kph have really helped my confidence descending. 😀 Why?

[i]Why? [/i]

Well, its just part of the deal, innit.

Climbing is hard work and can be challenging.

But, making it pay, means being good at speed on the descent.
Just another string to your bow, if you can get good at it.
Handling skills and all that.
😀

No spanish clubs runs sadly,

I saw this and thought it appropriate given recent discussion:

"New ideas take hold not when people change their mind, but when people with old ideas die." - Hans Rosling

There is obviously lots of iDiet foodin Madrid, but I am in a hotel working until 7pm then required to be socialising, I don't think I have time to do a weekly shop and get out the camping stove. Plus I only had a couple of weeks notice, not really enough time to learn Spanish even for someone as awesome as me.

Tesco Finest Salami Milano.
Red pepper, reduced fat hummous.
Chicken.
An Courgette.

There is obviously lots of iDiet foodin Madrid

Yup i agree Solo its all strings to the bow. I've been working on all of my weaknesses, descending included.

Anyway, where is TSY?

[i]Anyway, where is TSY? [/i]

Guess hes off somewhere scheming up his hext monster thread, which will be described by iDave as mostly containing nothing of any use as well as dishing my bike.

I'm in training 🙁

[i]I'm in training[/i]

I'd say you're qualified.
After all, you started this thread and the rest of us live to see it continue.
🙂

I'm eating biscuits in training 🙁