[Closed] Toulouse shooting

And I had it pinned on a racist footballer. Silly me.

well, he shot dead Muslim soldiers, so i would remove the word 'islamist' and just call him a terrorist. I do have an issue with the press needing to add a label to these events, and it ultimately fuels hatred.

"The 24 year-old told police he was a jihadist for al Qaeda seeking revenge for Palestinian children"
Bit more than 'just' a terrorist.

To avenge the death of children he killed more children.

Makes me proud to be a human. 🙁

so i would remove the word 'islamist' and just call him a terrorist.

Why?

It's now reported they are Al Qaeda terrorists, who underwent training in the ****stan/Afghanistan border region and AQ is a militant Islamist organization.

Ignoring that fact helps no one.

Is there a fear within the media of accusing certain groups within our society?

What a stupid comment.

I think it's more than obvious that the media are very happy indeed to blame "Islamic terrorists" for any crimes which they commit.

BTW, I didn't hear [i]"all the media blaming the 'right'"[/i] ..... I heard speculation that this was a racially motivated crime. A perfectly sensible suggestion.

I think it's more than obvious that the media are very happy indeed to blame "Islamic terrorists" for any crimes which they commit.

Now THERE is a stupid comment... of course the media will blame Islamic terrorists for crimes they have actually committed.. The point is, they are too quick to point the finger anywhere else but that direction until there is evidence.

The point is, they are too quick to point the finger anywhere else but that direction until there is evidence

Er, because the evidence wasn't there to suggest an "Islamic terrorist".......durr 🙄

They needed to profile the killer to help capture him. The conclusions they came to were perfectly sensible.

Only a far-right sympathiser would have a problem with that.

The Basques were blamed for the Madrid bombings because the govt didnt want Spains presence in Iraq to be an issue in the election a few days later. In the end they shot themselves in the foot with that one. It was the govt, not the media that started that rumour.

To see the impact of "perception" on this go to BBQ I player and watch Newsnight from the 19th.

Er, because the evidence wasn't there to suggest an "Islamic terrorist".......durr

no.. only a nieve fool (or someone with an agenda) would be unable to see the obvious fear from certain quarters to speak openly on a subject.

lets not forget he shot dead MUSLIM soldiers! There are events around the world, every day, in which heinous crimes are committed by deranged people! Remember the idiot who shot dead the Manchester student - where was his label? Christian, Jewish, Muslim?

The point I am making is we dont need to label, these people should not be allowed to hide behind a religion, or a cult to justify their actions.

no.. only a nieve fool (or someone with an agenda) would be unable to see the obvious fear from certain quarters to speak openly on a subject.

You mean like the French police who came up with the profile ?

[i]"Officials believe that the gunman is a trained marksman, possibly with military experience, and are investigating possible neo-Nazi connections because his victims were either Muslim, black or Jewish."[/i]

Isn't this just the case of the media doing the reverse of the Anders Breivik shooting in Norway, when they suggested it was an Muslim terrorist, then when the description of the shooter came in there were suggestions that he was a Muslim convert... then it turned out he was actually a right-wing Christian nutter?

Sometimes the press (understandably) specualate too early, and sometimes it bites them on the arse.

You mean like the French police who came up with the profile ?

A profile you blindly accept with no evidence (so long as it fits your political viewpoint). How can that be considered just?

so long as it fits your political viewpoint

Seriously mate, talk to someone - you've got a problem.

So after pretty much all the media blaming the 'right', turns out it was Islamic terrorists.

If you had the intelligence to be in intelligence you might realise that you might want to give your prime suspect the feeling that he can still move around freely and for example go to get his bike re sprayed rather than disappear for a while. And you might want the media to assist in giving that impression. As I said though that would be if you had the intelligence...

Hes currently hiding behind his Mother. I just wish Muslims worldwide would stand up and shout against such acts/people. Why don't they?

Hora,

I am a Muslim (and a proud one). Hence my comments. The 99% are peaceful law abiding people, and the minority of the nutters tarnish everyone else (but that is true in society as a whole).

The way media report these events is dangerous in my view. Someone sitting at home, full of hate on what they see on TV, could go out and take it out on a school kid at a muslim school - an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

There was a big furore about some members of the murdered soldiers' regiment a few years back. All to do with them belonging to neo nazi groups, so I'm guessing that was enough of a reason to suspect a racial motive.

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Seriously mate, talk to someone - you've got a problem.

So I'm 'stupid', a 'right wing sympathiser' and 'mentally ill'.

Is that the best you can do? throw personal insults?

The topic I posted is being discussed widely throughout the internet.. we all must be crazy 😕

good picture khani

well, he shot dead Muslim soldiers, so i would remove the word 'islamist' and just call him a terrorist.

Whilst not knowing anything about this particular mans agenda, Christians have killed other Christians in the name of Christianity, so I don't think the simple act killing muslim soldiers in itself stops him from possibly being an 'islamist' terrorist.

Mashiehood you might be able to help me. As I understand the Quran states something along the lines that it's wrong till kill innocent people of any or no faith.
But it always seems to be with the proviso word 'innocent'. So is there a general consensus as to what innocent and not innocent means in the Quran?, and is this the part that extremists tend twist to their own agenda?

The other parties were very quick to jump on the right wing issue, as a means of weakening support for NF

as it tirns out, is going to be a massive, massive boost for them coming into the elections

cue the conspiracy theorists!

As MrsToast has already alluded to, your silly conspiracy theory falls down a little when you look at the initial reporting of the Breivik massacre in Norway.

Try not to sound too excited about the massive boost for the NF Z-E.

mashiehood I understand where you are coming from but where are the protest marches?

Why should they have to go on a protest march to prove they don't support terrorism? Have you hora?

The topic I posted is being discussed widely throughout the internet.. we all must be crazy

Most people on Stormfront are quite crazy yes.

Hora, I can't be bothered posting loads of pics, google is your friend, theres plenty of Muslim anti terrorism protest marches worldwide and in the uk to look at...ask the media why it's not on the six o'clock news eh......

i think that it was a fairly reasonable bit of speculation by the media
victims had included muslims and jews,
extreme right wing ideology seems to be on the rise in france,
and the shooting of children had echoes of the brevik massacre

ultimately the press were wrong, but nazis or jihadists i hope they never see daylight again

Hora, I can't be bothered posting loads of pics, google is your friend

Only a few hits and some quite old.

ask the media why it's not on the six o'clock news eh......

Are you saying the media has a racist agenda? Jesus wept.

Ironically there seems to be quite alot of vitorol in the press against Israel. If someone was constantly firing rockets into England the other(s) would be wiped off the map.

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mashiehood I understand where you are coming from but where are the protest marches?

Im trying to find the artcile about it

but when the islamic anti-war protestors in luton were waving placards (all 20 of them)

on the same day a few thousand people were marching against the rise in terrorist attacks on soldiers in Northern Ireland

which do you think was all over the papers and which was complety ignored?

Are you saying the media has a racist agenda? Jesus wept.

So hora, again - ever been on an anti-terrorism march? How do we know you're not a terrorist sympathiser then?

I don't know if it's racist exactly but there's a dominant narrative that scares people and sells newspapers etc that Muslims are the bogeymen. 'Most Muslims nice normal people' doesn't make for a very good headline does it.

Ironically there seems to be quite alot of vitorol in the press against Israel. If someone was constantly firing rockets into England the other(s) would be wiped off the map.

Are you saying the media has a racist agenda? Jesus wept.

It's not quite the same, but compare the reporting of possible US/Israel's 'pre-emptive strikes' to that nasty horrible Muslim Iranian government who have not made a single actual aggressive military move towards any other country...

See also:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-madness-is-not-the-reason-for-this-massacre-7575737.html

Our local reporting gave a host of possible profiles. I think we should be congratulating the police for finding the man rahter than complaining they considered extreme right activists among other possible culprits.

Just a reminder that peaceful Muslims are ignoring parts of the [url= http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm ]Koran[/url] just as peaceful Christians ignore Luke 19.

If the French moved you to Wales,- built a wall round it and then wouldn't let you out because they said god says England belonged to them...how would you feel?

Its not that simple though is it. Go back beyond the 1940's/creations of the modern state of Israel first before you make such an anology.

So hora, again - ever been on an anti-terrorism march? How do we know you're not a terrorist sympathiser then?

I don't know if it's racist exactly but there's a dominant narrative that scares people and sells newspapers etc that Muslims are the bogeymen. 'Most Muslims nice normal people' doesn't make for a very good headline does it.

I don't hear of Christians blowing themselves and innocents up in Madrid, London, Israel, New York or chopping the heads off of others though. If this happened, then yes I could see a parallel within your argument.

Go back beyond the 1940's first before you make such an anology.

you mean when britain ruled palestine and proceeded to loose control of the country ultimately having to concede to the partioning of israel from palestine?

can we not just call perpetrators of crimes like these homicidal maniacs..?

most homicidal maniacs have a reason for their crime but we don't label the guys with voices in their heads as terrorists, even though their reasons are as spurious as the religious fanatics..

idiotic bigots will always want to blame these crimes on the object of their prejudices as the hatred helps them to self validate.. when can we start calling idiotic bigots terrorists too..?

I don't hear of Christians blowing themselves and innocents up in Madrid, London, Israel, New York or chopping the heads off of others though. If this happened, then yes I could see a parallel within your argument.

It's Christians that started a probably illegal war on false grounds in Iraq that killed many times more than any Muslim terrorists ever have. Tony Blair has said God told him to do it.

And if you are going to start talking about the founding of Israel, perhaps worth mentioning that Israel's founders were terrorists themselves.

I don't hear of Christians blowing themselves up or chopping the heads off of others though. If this happened, then yes I could see a parallel within your argument.

i think anders brevik the self declared 'Christian Crusader' may belie your statement

i also seem to remember a particularly brutal insurgency between factions of christianity a few years ago in this very country and our nearest island neighbour........

Plus the American soldier who recently went on the rampage in Afghanistan - I don't know for a fact but I'm guessing probably a Christian.