[Closed] Tottenham Riots

i mean even in the USA they know how to treat criminals,

His death should of course be grieved by family and friends in private, not marked with celebration on our streets.

Maybe they want to celebrate the positive aspect of his life, and what he meant to them. He wasn't born a drug dealer...

And who are you to tell others how they should or shouldn't mark the passing of someone they loved?

As I've pointed out; plenty of people who have done far, far worse are immortalised in statues, paintings etc...

it ant a interesting thread its just a load of guardian readers ranting on about how crime is caused by peoples social problems rather than them just being stupid scum.

[b]You[/b] really are quite exceptionally stupid aren't you? I've spoken to things with tails that were less stupid.

i mean even in the USA they know how to treat criminals, and that ant no fascist country.

Yes, and their strict approach is so successful that there is no crime there at all now.

Jamie - Member
i mean even in the USA they know how to treat criminals, and that ant no fascist country. Yes i expect you prefer to live in a country were the criminal has more rights than the victim,
If you are suggesting that the US has an ideal criminal justice system then....well....oh....

im just saying that for instance if you kill a child you going to fry, if you shot some one for drugs you going to spend the rest of you life locked up. criminals are considered to be shit, not like hear were they have human rights, **** that brake in to my house and im going to kill you! life should mean life and killing a child should mean death!

You really are quite exceptionally stupid aren't you? I've spoken to things with tails that were less stupid.

😆

That's made me laugh so hard I almost ended up choking...

i mean even in the USA they know how to treat criminals

No one is going to top that today.

Have a banana, in fact have several

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Just out curiosity Elfin(because it's getting off topic) would you be happy, nay celebrate in photo, if someone who disagreed with this drug dealer's life choices defiled/added pithy visual commentary to his "memorial" like the one of Churchill above?

yossarian - Member
it ant a interesting thread its just a load of guardian readers ranting on about how crime is caused by peoples social problems rather than them just being stupid scum.
You really are quite exceptionally stupid aren't you? I've spoken to things with tails that were less stupid.

are you geting mad....i think you are...

It's always interesting to see what the world looks like to those who think that there are simple (usually, in this case, violent and repressive) solutions to hugely complicated problems, so I think "ilovemygears" contributions are valuable as a glimpse into the one-dimensional world of the sorrowfully intellectually challenged amongst us. 😉

Was the guy who was killed entirely to blame and was his death the only way to end that particular incident - probably not.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Guy probably had a gun on him, but there was probably a copper with an itchy trigger finger involved somewhere along the line.

If the guy had a gun on him and based on the fact that it was an intelligence led operation and a gun was recovered it seems this is the case, there was probably little room for manouvre to end it differently - the only variable being if the guy put's the gun down or lifts it up when stopped.

If a gun is being carried there are tremendous restrictions on what you can do to end the situation. One cannot let guns "run" who knows if it was going to be used on a member of the public, disapear back in to the "underworld" to be used again and you cannot front the carrier without armed officers. As regards police with itchy fingers this indicates you have no experience in this sort of work, AFO's are not that sort of officer, that's why they've got the guns.

Tragic end for the guy but when it comes down to it in an armed stop if you don't put the gun down and comply it doesn't end well, it should also be added that this is a very rare occurence given the amount of armed stops in London alone.

Wun...

Bah! Foiled by Woppit, no less!!! 😡

Just out curiosity Elfin(because it's getting off topic) would you be happy, nay celebrate in photo, if someone who disagreed with this drug dealer's life choices defiled/added pithy visual commentary to his "memorial"?

Well, as it would be in a public place, then I spose they would be free to make their own statement too. Might not be seen in the best possible taste, but there you go.

god people are **** stupid gun crime is our of control buy when they do some thing about if they get shit...that guy was prepared to live by the gun, so its only right he died by the gun..

god people are **** stupid gun crime is our of control

Yes, we need to be more like America, where there is no gun crime.

Bah! Foiled by Woppit, no less!!!

Again... 8)

I am following "grum's" attempt to introduce the world of evidence-based logical inference to "iloveallmygears".

I wouldn't bet on the penny dropping through the noise of "..gears's" nail hammering, though...

no we need to have a country were criminals are harshly punished for serious crimes, they are not at the moment! People need to see that crime does not pay,

@Kilo

very well said

ilovemygears, I think that Stefan Ivan Kiszko or Gilbert "Danny" McNamee, among others, might disagree with your over simplistic ideas of justice.

And who are you to tell others how they should or shouldn't mark the passing of someone they loved?

Dude, as I said, just my opinion. It was my community, I served it loyally fof over 10th years, working the streets, treating all as they wished to be treated. It's a complex borough with complex problems. Roadside shrines to heroin dealers was just more nails in the coffin for me and I've moved out after 40 years in the surrounding areas. The area needs more positive role models and examples to grab the kids attentions and give them visions to aspire to. Not to grow up thinking its ok to die young in a life of crime and be immortalised on a street wall somewhere.

As regards police with itchy fingers this indicates you have no experience in this sort of work

What kind of police was it that shot Charles De Menezes?

I am following "grum's" attempt to introduce the world of evidence-based logical inference to "iloveallmygears".

People need to see that crime does not pay

are criminals charity workers then..... or something ?

As regards police with itchy fingers this indicates you have no experience in this sort of work

What kind of police was it that shot Charles De Menezes?

grum - Wether you beleive this or not, it was not actually a police officer involved - regardless of what the media says.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Waldorf_shooting ]This crim[/url] certainly won't be re-offending, will he?

no we need to have a country were criminals are harshly punished for serious crimes, they are not at the moment! People need to see that crime does not pay

ILMG, we need to get together and work on a manifesto!

As for my comments being taken as racist, I'm just severley intolerant of Tw**s and those who make excuses for tw***ish behaviour.

Stefan Ivan Kiszko
if he wasn't in the country illegal he wouldn't have been shot. and if he was a suicide bomber and he was not shot every one would complane..

Gilbert "Danny" McNamee

Despite quashing McNamee's conviction, the appeal judges stated, “The Crown makes a strong case that the appellant [McNamee] was guilty of a conspiracy to cause explosions.”

ILMG, we need to get together and work on a manifesto!

grum - Wether you beleive this or not, it was not actually a police officer involved - regardless of what the media says.

Eh? Who was it then? In the official inquest they talked to a Police Officer known as 'C12' from CO19

CO19 is the branch name given to the Specialist Firearm Command branch of the Metropolitan Police Service that provides firearms-related support to our unarmed colleagues.

Was he lying?

I'm just severley intolerant of Tw**s

The self-loathing is palpable.

Houns - Member
Racist?!?? Are Chav scum a race now?

yes they are if you read the guardian!

Hello, iloveallmygears.

You expressed admiration for the way the United States system of criminal law works.

What do you think of grum's point that it doesn't actually seem to be preventing the crimes that have you so exercised?

As it is self-evidently not working, why do you admire it so much?

Hello, iloveallmygears.

You expressed admiration for the way the United States system of criminal law works.

What do you think of grum's point that it doesn't actually seem to be preventing the crimes that have you so exercised?

@grum - there are other, both military, and government organisations that deal with terrorism threats on UK soil.

I'll let you have that one Woppit, it being a Sunday an' all. 🙂

I'm off for a pub lunch.

Enjoy.

no i just expressed my view that putting murders to death or locking them away for ever stops them re offending, i didnt comment the rest of the system,

Ah, I see. And how would you prevent those who murder as a first offence from doing it? The threat of life imprisonment or execution doesn't seem to work.

It is interesting that, given the (some might say) "luxurious" conditions in which Norwegian killers are evidently imprisoned, that the re-offending rate in Norway is miniscule compared to our own, despite the harsh conditions in which our (and the American) prisoners ar kept, don't you think?

Mr Woppit - Member
no i just expressed my view that putting murders to death or locking them away for ever stops them re offending, i didnt comment the rest of the system,
Ah, I see. And how would you prevent those who murder as a first offence from doing it? The threat of life imprisonment or execution doesn't seem to work.

well it would ****ing well put me of!

@grum - there are other, both military, and government organisations that deal with terrorism threats on UK soil.

Maybe so, but it was a police officer that shot him, as part of a police operation (which was then investigated by the IPCC) so you were completely wrong to say this:

it was not actually a police officer involved

Unless you have some special secret knowledge that has been covered up?

well it would **** well put me of!

Yes of course, but you are a rather small sample for the purposes of evidence-based analysis, don't you think?

Mr Woppit - Member
It is interesting that, given the (some might say) "luxurious" conditions in which Norwegian killers are evidently imprisoned, that the re-offending rate in Norway is miniscule compared to our own, despite the harsh conditions in which our prisoners ar kept, don't you think?

thats as they like sending people to mental hospitals instead http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19199121

So, instead of punishing people who may very well be motivated into comitting their crimes by being disturbed (as in the recent obvious example), the Norwegians prefer to try and help them with therapy. Seems very non-judgemental to me. Hardly a punishment, I would have thought.

Unlike the American example, given the results, this might be the way forward.

if you want to believe that good for you, but its not true.. 🙁 Hospital force drugs upon these people, there not criminals there ill, the USSR used to use this tacit to stop crime as well!

Do you have evidence that Norwegian patients are having drugs "forced" upon them?

And if they are - are these "bad" drugs that will not help?