[Closed] Tory poster graffiti 🙂

Thanks. We weren't allowed to study politics in school, as a certain Education Minister banned it...

So that's what London's like?

Jack obviously hasn't worked hard enough, hasn't empowered himself, has brought all his problems upon himself.

So long as Jack has the same chances provided at the outset I see no problem in saying "you had your chance", tough (assuming you don't then go on to endlessly fund their lifestyle). Providing jack is initially helped if he falls on hard times or makes a mistake, and continues to want to work and contribute, I see see no-one from any party or political conviction wanting to withdraw aid. People dislike Jack when he twists the system to his advantage. People dislike Jack when he doesn't even start despite having the same chances to as everyone else. People should be helped to be part of society, but should not be helped TO part of society.

For example it is transferable between couples.

I never argued this? WTF? Are you drinking today?

The inheritance tax "nil rate band" is transferable between spouses and civil partners. The NRB is currently £325k. If you're worth less than that, you pay no tax. But, if you transfer assets to your spouse you also pay no tax, so in this circumstance the NRB is not used.

On the subsequent death of your spouse, s/he has an NRB (£325k currently) of his/her own and [i]also[/i] the portion of your NRB that was not used up on your death (100% if you transferred all assets to your spouse on death).

So currently, for a married couple leaving all their assets to one another, the exemption is £650k. If you're worth more than that, as a couple, you'll pay some inheritance tax.

If you're wealthy, inheritance tax is one of the best tax reasons to get married that there is. 🙂

More coffeeking pish.

What about if Jack has mental health difficulties? What if he is disabled? What if he is just thick? How about if he never got the educational opportunities for reasons beyond his contro9l? child abuse and so on?

You really do know jack shit don't you.

For those who can't see much beyond their garden gate...

Well that's yourself really Fred. East London isn't the world, get out a bit more. You might actually find a bit of hope in humanity.

As for the rest of it, put me in mind of that great left wing thinker of the 80's

[img] [/img]

East London isn't the world, get out a bit more.

I'm not suggesting it is. although it's perhaps possibly more indicative of the country as a whole, than the utopian little village you describe so beautifully.

The same applies to most of the UK; from the roughest inner city areas, to the gated suburban enclaves, and rural outposts. Are you really telling me that most of the UK isn't like that? Then you really do have your head in the sand.

And the responses so far merely serve to prove my point even more.

Now, where's my ****ing coffee??

Country's gone to the dogs, I tells yer...

Oh and I have every faith in Humanity.

It's just Right-Wing Thatcherite Conservatism I can't stand...

I'm not suggesting it is. although it's perhaps possibly more indicative of the country as a whole, than the utopian little village you describe so beautifully

Ooh....... I can feel the hate in that bit. You know that love that you're always preaching about ?

How do you know that I'm talking about a village ? In my experience and I've lived in cities, towns and villages people are the same and by and large you get treated as you treat others. And if I was refering to a village then maybe there's something in that don't you think ? A close community where people care for each other and look out for each other, regardless of who has what or who has not ?

I'm sure your prejudice wouldn't let you see village life as being anything other than a bunch of upper class fox hunters with posh bolt holes away from the city and everyone there must be a Thatcherite. 🙄

Like I said earlier, broaden your horizons Fred because your looking pretty blinkered on this one.

luked2 - Member

in 1974, the National Union of Mineworkers effectively forced out Ted Heath's elected government.

Well that is complete nonsense ........ isn't it ? 😕

Did the National Union of Mineworkers storm 10 Downing Street and kick Ted Heath out ?
Or maybe they stormed the Houses of Parliament and overthrew the "elected government" ?

No of course not. Ted Heath was kicked out by the [i]"British electorate"[/i] in a [i]"general election"[/i]. If the British people had wanted to, they could have given Ted Heath a thumping great majority in '74, which is what he asked them to do. But they didn't want to.

The British people are the final arbitrators. And it is [u]they[/u] who kicked Ted Heath out.

.

TandemJeremy - Member

....... we have some of the toughest immigration controls in the world.

More complete nonsense !

1.5 million eastern Europeans have arrived in the UK in the last six .... with no controls whatsoever !

New Labour operated a completely "open door policy" at the time of EU enlargement, despite the fact that practically every other EU country did not.

Like I said earlier, broaden your horizons Fred because your looking pretty blinkered on this one.

Really? Do elaborate...

The best you can come up with is a picture of a fictional character, in response to someone daring to question Perfect Britain. Please.

I'm sure your prejudice wouldn't let you see village life as being anything other than a bunch of upper class fox hunters with posh bolt holes away from the city and everyone there must be a Thatcherite.

Where did I say that? Please go and find proof to back up your claims of my prejudicial nature.

Truth is, I've twisted your nipple on this one, and you're desperate to try to out-clever me. Not going to happen sonny. Rik from the Young Ones? Is that the best you can do?

Now, if you were to produce an intelligent, reasoned, enlightened response to my 'blinkered pessimism', then I might take you seriously.

But like most little Thatcherites, the only thing you can really do is attempt to discredit your opponent. Hasn't worked. Deep down, you know I'm right, you're just too angry and constipated to admit it.

1.5 million eastern Europeans have arrived in the UK in the last six .... with no controls whatsoever !

That's because they come from EU countries, Ernie. There are no immigration issues with these countries. And a vast number have now gone home again. The net economic impact of East Yerpeans in the UK is very positive, I understand.

Why do you have such an issue with East Yerpeans anyway? Many of the young ladies are very pretty.

Ernie's point is that unlike the UK most other EU countries controlled the flow of immigration from the new accession states at the time of Poland's entry. The UK did when Bulgaria and Romania joined indeed.

Hmm. But then we have a policy of allowing Aussies and Kiwis entry simply because they had a grandparent from the UK. In fact, I can't find the figures now, but I have read that one of the worst groups for outstaying visas is Aussies! 😀 I've known several that have done this, and they don't seem to face the same sort of pressure as those from other places. Fly below the radar, as it were. You don't hear so many folk kicking up a fuss about this though, and it doesn't seem to make the headlines...

If someone from France can come here, I don't see why other Yerpeans can't. Otherwise, what's the point of the EU?

Works both ways. Some East Yerpean countries are facing problems because Western Yerpeans are buying up property there, thus pricing the 'locals' out of the housing market.

But like most little Thatcherites

😆

I'm opposing what you've said so I'm a Thatcherite ? Clown.

Now, if you were to produce an intelligent, reasoned, enlightened response to my 'blinkered pessimism', then I might take you seriously

I already have done but you've ignored it. I live in a community where people care for each other. You've chosen to ignore that because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Where did I say that? Please go and find proof to back up your claims of my prejudicial nature.

Mmmm oK

The working classes want to be Middle Class, the Middle Classes feel embarrassed about their own fortune, and buy Fairtrade coffee and bananas to alleviate their guilt, the Upper Classes dream of those Halcyon days when the Oiks knew their place

Sounds like lots of folk being pre judged there.

Or this....

But like most little Thatcherites, the only thing you can really do is attempt to discredit your opponent.

What on earth have I said that makes me a supporter of un-fettered free market economy, crushing the working classes or selling off the national family silver ? Again, just prejudice.

Oh go on then one more....

The Weekend becomes a time when they eagerly pile into their cars, to drive to some soulless cultural desert of IKEA, B+Q, or Bluewater. Sit there complaining about their neighbours children, while imposing their own greedy selfish values on their own offspring

Who are [b][i]they[/i][/b] ? These people that you homogenously class together in order to apply an assumed, negative value to. I don't think that you're actually any different to someone giving travellers a hard time for leaving rubbish behind or someone saying that foreigners are smelly.

Thread hijack #4: Pikes or Toras? 🙂

[i]If someone from France can come here, I don't see why other Yerpeans can't.[/i]

This, and indeed the Aussies point, is a bit disingenuous. The French come here, but in modest numbers because the wages they can command in France are roughly equivalent to the wages they can command here. They don't have much effect on the labour market.

People came here from Poland in genuinely vast numbers because the wages they could command here were much, much higher than the wages they could command in Poland. That had a material effect on the UK labour market in some sectors, driving down the cost of wages. They came to the UK rather than going to France because the UK did not restrict them coming here, and France did.

It may be a beautiful free market experiment, but it had real consequences for anyone who found themselves in direct competition for work with people from a relatively poor country. The theoretical advantages of moving to Poland for a British plumber meanwhile are not very compelling. I benefit from having cheap plumbers. Polish plumbers benefit from higher wages and are able to remit cash home. British plumbers do not benefit.

I don't know what the numbers of Aussies are. I reckon if a million arrived in unexpectedly in one year we'd hear more about it. 🙂

Aha! A bite, methinks...

I live in a community where people care for each other. You've chosen to ignore that because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Unless you're particularly naive or blinkered, I think even you would agree that this isn't really the 'norm' for most of the country. 80% of the UK population live in urban areas; the sort of ideal set up you are lucky enough to enjoy sadly exists in fewer and fewer places.

Sounds like lots of folk being pre judged there.

Only reporting the facts. And I could argue that some of your statements about me were pretty judgemental. Certainly ignorant.

Who are they ? These people that you homogenously class together in order to apply an assumed, negative value to.

The British. I'll admit that's generalising somewhat, but you get the picture.

Somewhere in your own mind you've found a place where it's justifyable to hate and stereotype.

I have no qualms in disliking people who act in a selfish manner, and who allow themselves to conform to the 'stereotype', no.

Trailmonkey; you can pick and nibble all you want, but you still know I'm right, don't you darling? 😀

X

People came here from Poland in genuinely vast numbers because the wages they could command here were much, much higher than the wages they could command in Poland. That had a material effect on the UK labour market in some sectors, driving down the cost of wages. They came to the UK rather than going to France because the UK did not restrict them coming here, and France did.

It may be a beautiful free market experiment, but it had real consequences for anyone who found themselves in direct competition for work with people from a relatively poor country. The theoretical advantages of moving to Poland for a British plumber meanwhile are not very compelling. I benefit from having cheap plumbers. Polish plumbers benefit from higher wages and are able to remit cash home. British plumbers do not benefit.

If you have a restaurant, you want people to come and eat there. If your restaurant is good, more people will come and eat there. You could get so popular, that people are queueing up to get in. With so many people wanting to eat there, it's only a matter of time before another restaurant opens up down the road. Then, you might find you are losing customers, and have to compete for business once more...

Obviously this brilliant analogy means that you're entirely correct. 😉

If you have a restaurant, you want people to come and eat there. If your restaurant is good, more people will come and eat there. You could get so popular, that people are queueing up to get in. With so many people wanting to eat there, it's only a matter of time before another restaurant opens up down the road. Then, you might find you are losing customers, and have to compete for business once more...

I'll have a 14, a 7, a 9 and lychees please. Fankoo.

What tyres you using for terminal delusion Fred ? 😀

British plumbers do not benefit.

British plumbers who were previously making loads of money now only making a reasonable living like everyone else. Boohoo.

Despite the influx of Polish plumbers it's still pretty hard to find one round here who can be arsed to come out and look at your problem in timely fashion.

Not in my league, are you trailmonkey? 😉

Obviously this brilliant analogy means that you're entirely correct.

Thank you! 😀

CFH, The Pan Dang Leaf Chicken is off today, can I get you some Butterfly King Prawns instead?

Getting back to the subject I quite liked the one in the following linky:
[url= ]Tories are no longer homophobic :)[/url]

Not in my league, are you trailmonkey?

No, you're special............

Good. Glad we've got that sorted.

What's for supper tonight love?

Nothing, the hoodies have set fire to the village chippy and there's a rotary club meeting at the pub and they won't let the proles in.

[img] [/img]

Why do you have such an issue with East Yerpeans anyway?

I have absolutely no issue with East Europeans at all.

I do however, have an issue with TJ talking about [i]"some of the toughest immigration controls in the world"[/i] when 1.5 million immigrants entered the UK without any controls whatsoever.

I also have an issue with New Labour cynically exploiting people who are desperate for work, to force wages in the UK down, in pursuit of their Thatcherite agenda of a low wage, low inflation, high labour availability, economy.

And I also have an issue with the door being kept firmly shut on immigrants from the Commonwealth countries.
If the UK is to allow entry to new immigrants, then priority should be given those from Commonwealth countries.
I would rather see a West Indian or Bangladeshi allowed entry into the UK, than a Lithuanian or Bulgarian....any day of the week.

The only exceptions imo, are those fleeing persecution. I have an issue with New Labour's Daily Mail dictated agenda on asylum seekers. But the bottom line is that immigration should be strictly controlled. And fuk the EU......Britain is an independent sovereign nation.

HTH

I have absolutely no issue with East Europeans at all.

I do however, have an issue with TJ talking about "some of the toughest immigration controls in the world" when 1.5 million immigrants entered the UK without any controls whatsoever.

I also have an issue with New Labour cynically exploiting people who are desperate for work, to force wages in the UK down, in pursuit of their Thatcherite agenda of a low wage, low inflation, high labour availability, economy.

And I also have an issue with the door being kept firmly shut on immigrants from the Commonwealth countries.
If the UK is to allow entry to new immigrants, then priority should be given those from Commonwealth countries.
I would rather see a West Indian or Bangladeshi allowed entry into the UK, than a Lithuanian or Bulgarian....any day of the week.

The only exceptions imo, are those fleeing persecution. I have an issue with New Labour's Daily Mail dictated agenda on asylum seekers. But the bottom line is that immigration should be strictly controlled. And fuk the EU......Britain is an independent sovereign nation.

Agreed.

I would rather see a West Indian or Bangladeshi allowed entry into the UK, than a Lithuanian or Bulgarian....any day of the week.

What a racist... 😯

I see what you mean though. It irks me somewhat, that Britain made it's wealth from exploiting countries like those, invited loads of workers in following WW2 as cheap labour, then closed the doors again when others started to realise the potential in exploiting Britain's wealth...

Apparently Australia is 'recruiting' at the moment, although it's quite difficult to get in. Doesn't appeal to me though; too hot, dangerous bitey things and crap beer.

The reason I say that Ernie is that for non EU migrants we have some of the toughest immigration controls. We could have had temporary controls on Poles but chose not to - but as a member of the EU we have to allow free movement of people. Remeber the million or so Brits in Europe - mainly retired ex pats in spain who also distort the economy

Not bben here for a few days. Nice to see the usual suspects slapping each other with wet fish. Metaphorically at least.Anyroad up back to the subject in hand

[img] [/img]

Apparently Australia is 'recruiting' at the moment, although it's quite difficult to get in. Doesn't appeal to me though; too hot, dangerous bitey things and crap beer.

Well, they don't seem to have any problems letting me in!

I really hope the Conservatives do win - Mainly because it'd really annoy the most annoying t**ts on this forum

But Houns... they'll just replace 'I blame Thatcher' with 'I Blame Cameron'

I bet John Major must be gutted. Nobody ever says 'I blame Major'. while gnashing their teeth and punching the table. This means.... as a conervative... he failed utterly 🙂

I really hope the Conservatives do win - Mainly because it'd really annoy the most annoying t**ts on this forum

You want to annoy yourself Houns?

Not surprised you're a little Tory boy. Effete ponce. Come back when you've something intelligent to say.

(IE, don't bother at all.. ever.)

Wow, awesome comeback 😐

Believe it. Now run off back to Mleh and stop messing about.

Well that's me told 🙄

now now boys! Lets settle this like.... erm.... Maggie

Gentlemen... choose your weapons

[img] [/img]

Heh heh

Got mine already! 😀

[img] [/img]

You're not fooling anyone fella. We all know that the nearest you come to shopping is when you open the door to the Waitrose delivery after its crunched its way up your mile long gravel drive 🙂