You really have swallowed the KOOLAID Brucewee.
I've read this about six times trying to work out if you got the wrong username or something. just can't get my head around it as Bruce has made some absolutely excellent points
OT sidenote....I pressed the AI "Summarize Topic" button. I think only us paid up types get it. It's not bad...
The discussion began with an observation from "oldfart" about the lack of resilience among young people, stemming from a cricket match where he felt compelled to shout encouragements to the players. This sparked a debate about the role of positivity in youth development and whether shielding children from negative feedback might be contributing to anxiety issues. Various perspectives emerged, with some arguing that resilience is crucial and others pointing out that young people today face unique challenges, such as economic instability and climate change, that previous generations did not.
The conversation evolved into a broader discussion about generational differences and the socio-economic contexts in which different age groups grew up. Some participants criticized the older generation for their perceived lack of self-awareness and empathy, while others defended their experiences and the changes that have occurred over time. There were also debates about the role of public investment and government policies in shaping the opportunities and challenges faced by young people today.
Ultimately, the discussion highlighted the complexity of the issues at hand and the difficulty of making sweeping generalizations about any generation. While some agreed that young people today face significant challenges, there was also a recognition that every generation has its own set of difficulties and that resilience is developed in various ways. The conversation concluded with a call for more nuanced understanding and less generational blame.
Interesting thread. I wonder if the things that impact person A's life experience just isn't relative to person B. It's more about how those things are are relative to person B's life overall. Resilience is about self-confidence and your ability to feel agency over your life, the likelihood you can have some influence in how your life goes - and that's where I worry for young people now.
At about 8-10 years old I used to worry we'd get nuked but I also was told no-one was stupid enough to do that. Now, the future looks to be a techno-feudalist world where young people compete against or with AI among the rest of the exploited class, where the climate is already on a path that is likely to a burned wasteland their reality (40-50 years from now? Won't be pretty...), and that's all because of stupidity of previous generations to them. What can they do? They're being handed the leftovers.
Some say it's the lack of seeing forward with any sense of reality by the older generation that put us in this mess. It wasn't today's 20-somethings who legislated to enable the capitalist fkwittery we're living through now and it's only going one way. Some of the older generation say 'don't blame us' and ok, it's not a generation thing. But if you had influence or power in the 80s to ~2008 you were part of it.
So I'd forgive the young people now if they're having some issues and expressing anxiety at the futility of prospects, a min wage or low prospects jobs and no home of their own unless they're from relatively wealthy families. Covid probably didn't help either, made us all realise how fragile this whole 'society' thing is and how our leaders were utterly useless (Johnson you grifting ****). Edit, no, 'useless' suggests they were simply incompetent. They were, but also were doing what they often do - taking advantage and thinking of themselves. Pigs at a trough. It's no wonder few trust them now.
Put younger people in power. No-one should be a PM or President in their 70s. Let younger and more idealistic people lead and surround them with experienced people who can make enough of it happen. I know, daft as a brush eh. It'll never happen.
Anyway .. so should we be more critical of children to help them develop? Yes - as long as they can be more critical of us and we listen and act on it.
OK, how about this. We all agree that no one has the right* to diagnose the perceived shortcomings of an entire generation and suggest solutions. There are too many variations and too much nuance. And ultimately, no one really knows what it was like to grow up in any era except their own.
Why not? This isn't North Korea, we can talk about whatever we like. Some people spend a lifetime studying the past, or the shortcomings of others. I think it's easier to look back and evaluate what was happening 20 or 40 years ago, than it is to evaluate everything that is currently happening in the world right now - the salient events are not yet apparent and the data isn't there yet - but that doesn't mean we can't take a stab in the dark.
I think that (generally) people are more anxious, more insecure, more self adsorbed, less mature and generally weaker these days, but I don't think it's confined to the younger generations - you can see it in all age groups including boomers. The younger generations are certainly more broadly affected because they don't have the life experience or the accomplishments to fall back on, but it is increasingly common in older people too. I think a great deal of the fault lies with social media, but also with the overexposure to an increasing infantilised mainstream media. There are a multitude of other factors as well, not least of which are the breakdown of community and diet (yes, the manufactured slop that passes for food these days). Life was certainly a lot simpler 40 years ago, even if there were particular hardships to overcome.
I was born in 71 into a fairly typical household where Dad worked and Mum was a housewife, I do think this was lucky, to have a Mum at home. Obviously, there wasn't much spare cash but we were never hungry.
School was on the cusp of change, with cuddly newer teachers and old school scary ones. I managed to plot a course that meant only the occasional moment of violence, whereas my funny mate Stace recieved pumps, canes and rulers on a regular basis for his smart mouth.
By the time we got to the upper school, strikes were frequent and teachers were telling us how awful the world was on the job front. That said, my poor exam results were due to a lack of effort on my part but a £27.50 a week YTS worked for me and that skill will see me through to my retirement.
We entered the world of drinking around 14/15, which was often another opportunity to avoid violence as pubs still had lots of angry older men and football hooliganism was huge. I'm not a fighter so quickly worked out when to make myself scarce.
Things changed when E's came along, even the most violent footy lads started hugging instead of slashing and apart from mistaken identity mugging I made it through this period enlightened and unscathed.
At 24 I bought a house with a girl for the princley sum of £37,000, I think we'd only saved £1500 when we put the bid in, thankfully, it took a while so we could save some more. Her Dad rewired it and we filled it with second hand stuff while we save up for new windows. On this front, I accept we were lucky.
This might just be a personal thing but I do wonder if my generation just had fairly low expetations so relative happiness was easier to obtain.
I know have a 15 year old son who is soon enough going to have to face all these problems and share everyone's concerns, his generation genuinely do have some big problems ahead of them. The unemployment one is particularly concerning, we are trying to get him to volunteer at a charity shop and we will pay him a wage. Like everyone, ever, we are just winging it...
He didn't do sport so I never got the chance to yell at him! I do remember when he was little having to retrain myself to give him sympathy if he fell and cryed because the 70's me would say, 'come on you big girl, you haven't even got a mark'.
Make life hard for the parents, and you’re setting them up to fail. It’s really not about practices in schools (or clubs) that aim to support and include every child (sport and exercise isn’t just for future athletes, it’s something we all need to carry on into adult life), it’s about home life and how little help, time and money many have available to them.
Just look at two of the ladders pulled out from beneath parents… closing surestart and near obligatory near constant access to strangers and companies pushing targeted harmful content towards kids. Parents are failing. But that should be no surprise, it’s hard to parent right now.
And then, for older “kids” all the first steps into adult hood make becoming an “standard adult” look like an expensive out of touch dream. If all you want is to own a home*, have a job “with prospects” and maybe start a family… doing all that in your 20s looks impossible. Want to squeeze in some education into that? Here’s another IOU…
*accepting there are exceptional areas in the UK, where you can find long term work and an affordable home, but let’s be honest, they are few and far between now.
Interesting variety of comments , thanks everyone for your input . As per the title it was only a suggestion I never claimed to have all the answers.
An interesting thread, thanks for al the varying view points. I was particularly amused by the criticism of my geneneration (born 60) who remember the 70s fondly but claim it was hard back then. I'm normally very positive about about the opportunities I've had (or made) but if ever junior calls me "boomer" he gets reminded I finished school for the Winter of discontent, graduated with 3 million unemployed and had a career based on short term contracts and temping till I got on my bike, crossed the channel then concurrently started a buisiness and got a well-paid job.
And then, for older “kids” all the first steps into adult hood make becoming an “standard adult” look like an expensive out of touch dream. If all you want is to own a home*, have a job “with prospects” and maybe start a family… doing all that in your 20s looks impossible. Want to squeeze in some education into that? Here’s another IOU…
And that's where if we do consider ourselves a privileged generation (I do) then we can make a difference for our kids. When chatting with work colleagues here it was apparent that they had/have a very different attitude to helping their kids. It's not a case of making them stand on their own two feet it's helping them stand on their own two feet. Vertical family solidarity is much more of a thing here - it's written into law for a start. So rather then selfishly sqandering cash on flash foreign holidays/car/housing parents live modestly and set aside money to make sure than Gen-Z gets at least as good as opportunities as we had. So from Kelvins observant contribution;
"Here’s another IOU" - no, we'll pay, no student loans, we'll pay.
"have a job “with prospects"" - we'll pay for the training, the accomodation - you perform well, we'll keep paying and help out in any other way we can
"own a home" if you can't afford somewhere reasonable to live we'll help out
"maybe start a family" if you do we'll be there with financial a practical support.
We're not atypical in this part of the world but in the Brummy world of my parents that would have been spoiling the child so they didn't and the only very minor financial support I've had since the age of 18 was when my Grandfather died (by which time it was what I was earning some months). If I wanted to stay with my parents I had to pay rent. I pay one of junior's rents and if he visits pay the tickets.
So far so good.
The other thing is listen to your kids and seriously consider voting the way they do which will hopefully be in their interests. Research says it's far harder to accept the differing opions of your parents than other random members of the public. Your opinionated rants could be really hurting your children and hurting your relationship with them. Have an argument about about something as heartfelt as Brexit and it'll taint your relationship for the rest of your days.
I think about the jobs thing for my kids too.
They've seen their mum start and run their own business. I think that may be a better lesson due to scarcity of jobs. I remember I went around neighbours and offered to mow their lawns and made a bit of money doing that. Might encourage my kids to do the same, but you know, come up with a brand, market it a bit, just to understand how it all works.
I also rented the school computer during "activities week" and made fake IDs and laminated them, which fellow teenagers paid for despite them literally being a peice of printed paper (people didn't have printers back then) and suprisingly the local pubs / nightclubs accepted as "proof" they were over 18. I think we all knew what was going on. "yes office, i checked their ID's..."
Seems strange I got away with it looking back, but teachers didn't have a clue about computers.
Vertical family solidarity is much more of a thing here
It is here in the UK as well, of course. But have you heard of inequality?
it's written into law for a start
Just had some family members complaining about this last week (they had French wills as they had a holiday house for a while), they were surprised when I backed the French system of ensuring offspring benefited from a large chunk of the inheritance... they argued that people should be able to leave all their money to anyone.
But that system embeds inherited inequality.
A lot of people in the UK (and I suspect in France) can't pay for training, education, accommodation away from home of their adult kids.
I'm very aware of how difficult it can be for our kids, we help out our daughter as much as we can, but I also see how much pressure they are under to "achieve" - and that mostly seems to be in the way of owning/acquiring possessions and experiences. Maybe we were just less exposed to those pressures but sometimes I think they were also so out of reach that we didn't even try.
On a slight tangent, when we were late teens/early twenties everyone who wanted to leave home ended up in a shared flat with maybe 3 or 4 others. We couldn't afford a mortgage and that made for affordable rent and, usually, an increased friendship circle. Is that still a thing? It certainly wasn't amongst my daughters friends, nor anyone else I know of around her age
You'll be surprised to hear I have heard of inequality which has many facets, Kelvin. I'm also aware of cultural differences which mean that inequality is more acceptable in some places than others. Liberté, EGALITE, fraternité. 😉 Measures to make things more equal such as reserving places in top universities for students from poor areas and backgrounds helps. What I observe is people from sometimes very modest backgrounds putting their children's futures before their own consumer desires in a way I didn't see in the UK. Continuing to live in social houseing when there was a choice between buying a house or funding higher education for example. My UK uncle left his entire welath to the RNLI rahter than the needy family members who had nursed him in old age - ****. Maybe my view of the UK is distorted by being a Brummy and Brimingham isn't representative on the UK as whole, my colleagues at Welsh Water were more supportive of their kids.
French death duties are pretty high which helps redistribute wealth and reduce inequality - or it would do if the very weathiest didn't have access to means of evasion.
We couldn't afford a mortgage and that made for affordable rent
I think rents have increased to a point where [without support from parents] that option is unavailable or unobtainable for lots of kids. Next door to us is a property that's let exclusively to students because it's a large 5 bed house, the rent last time i look was £2500/month - £500 a month for a room in a shared house.
Even working F/T min. wage is only £1800, so that's 30% on your (shared) housing, and these folks aren't doing FT work and studying as well.
We couldn't afford a mortgage and that made for affordable rent and, usually, an increased friendship circle. Is that still a thing?
Junior age 28 is still in a flat share in Berlin having lived in flat shares since he left home, buying in Berlin is so far out of reach he knows his time there is limited if he wants to secure his future. We provide accomodation for the larger part of the year he spends in France.
On a slight tangent, when we were late teens/early twenties everyone who wanted to leave home ended up in a shared flat with maybe 3 or 4 others. We couldn't afford a mortgage and that made for affordable rent and, usually, an increased friendship circle. Is that still a thing? It certainly wasn't amongst my daughters friends, nor anyone else I know of around her age
I'm 57. All my friends who went straight to uni came out to "graduate" jobs and could afford to buy/rent houses or flats close enough to work. I worked through that period fighting for promotions, doing all the overtime I could to get a deposit so I could buy at the same time, aged 21.
That first house cost me £36k. £6k deposit. £30k mortgage maxed me out on my £10k salary with a 30 year repayment period.
That level of affordability just doesn't exist now.
Should add that "non-uni" friends who needed a place of their own had relatively easy access to affordable social housing as the council house sell off hadn't yet taken too many
Maybe that has raised another thread - the number of kids going to university. I didn't. Few of my friends did. We worked after leaving school and could afford shared rent. I didn't know anyone in Social Housing either.
(FWIW I'm not saying what's better or worse, just making an observation. I'm guessing that STW has a higher proportion of university goers than the UK as a whole).
We have an undertaker who comes into our shop. Recently I said to him that summer must be his quiet period.
He said that young men commiting suicide kept them busy.
Obviously something is going wrong.
Maybe that has raised another thread - the number of kids going to university. I didn't. Few of my friends did. We worked after leaving school and could afford shared rent. I didn't know anyone in Social Housing either.
(FWIW I'm not saying what's better or worse, just making an observation. I'm guessing that STW has a higher proportion of university goers than the UK as a whole).
Number of folk going to uni has increased massively.
Maybe that has raised another thread - the number of kids going to university. I didn't. Few of my friends did. We worked after leaving school and could afford shared rent. I didn't know anyone in Social Housing either.
I think the 'requirement' to go to university started round about the time I was leaving school (late 90s).
I did an engineering degree and I can honestly say that I have never needed my degree in any job I have done. I faffed around for four years after graduation, moving different places and doing different jobs (none of which were engineering related) and then decided I needed a proper career when I hit my mid-twenties.
The only thing my engineering degree did was qualify me for jobs. The actual work I did would be better described as technician level rather than engineering. There was no need for a university level education to do the actual job but you couldn't get the job without a degree.
As I moved into jobs that I would describe as 'engineering degree' level it was my experience and the ability to learn on my own that let me do those jobs, not the degree itself.
Nowadays it looks like a Masters degree is needed to get your foot in the door. And I very much doubt the actual jobs require any more than the technician level training that I needed for my first career-type job.
Unrealistically high education requirements seems to be another hurdle young people have to contend with.
My daughter-in-law-to-be did a degree apprenticeship rather than a traditional uni course. Took 4 years to complete, but no debt, and regular pay rises over that period. She could afford a shared house from when she left home at 18 to start with the employer.
It seems a much better option for many roles in many industries. I'd argue the degree bit isn't really necessary given the 4 years of practical skills she developed over that time, but with so many job applications being screened for keywords, so long as "degree" is a required keyword then she will it. I only went to do a part-time degree in the early 00s because I was told my lack of a qualification was seeing me rejected at first sift, despite 10 years of managerial experience.
I probably ended up in the civil service because they didn't have that kind of auto sifting back then and then put wannabe managers through a proper assessment day to see skills/experience in action.
Before anyone says 'it was silly to send so many people to uni, there'd never be enough jobs for them at the end'...
The USA increased their grad proportion in a similar way to us and *did* manage to increase the number of grad jobs to suit. It's another UK productivity thing
The USA increased their grad proportion in a similar way to us and *did* manage to increase the number of grad jobs to suit. It's another UK productivity thing
Based on my experience of 'graduate' level jobs my question would be, did they increase the proportion of jobs that require a degree or did they just add Degree to the list of requirements to get to the interview stage?
CNBC.COM The Economist produced its own gauge of how over-educated the job force is, and noted that more than 25 million U.S. workers — two-thirds of those with degrees — “are doing work that was mostly done by non-graduates a half-century ago,”
I think the 'requirement' to go to university started round about the time I was leaving school (late 90s).
Tad earlier than that. Started under tories (12% when they came in to 33% in 97) and kept going up with Blair enthusiastically adopting it. A cynic might suggest its a good way of lowering unemployment figures.
The downside being that with the increase in supply the value of a degree drops with it becoming a baseline qualification vs a rare one.
Before anyone says 'it was silly to send so many people to uni, there'd never be enough jobs for them at the end'...
It's not 'silly' in of itself to have a well educated work force. It's one of the reasons the UK attracts so much foreign investment (along with laws, low levels of crime etc etc) The 'silly' part is the expectation that the [uni] experience would be the same, the standards would remain similar, that the admin and pastoral care could cope, or that the University sector wouldn't become bloated itself. The work that's available after a degree course isn't necessarily a 'fault' . I'd bet money that over time it'll be economically "worth it".
Context: Born in 78, in a small village op the outskirts of Cardiff, Father worked at the Uni and made good money, Mum stayed at home for a bit and then worked full time from when I was about 12. Went to Uni, partied, got a mediocre degree and still got a decent job. Married, we own our own home (bought a small one then moved up the ladder) have 2 sons ages 16 and 18.
Comment: Any thought that "young people" have it easy and lack resilience is for the birds to be honest.
The 18 year old
My 18 year old has had more rejection in the last 24 months from perspective employers than I have ever had in my entire lifetime.
- Looking for part time work to earn money for driving lessons he was met a wall of "No experience - no thanks" both online (when they could be bothered to respond) and in person until he got lucky and was in the right place at the right time and managed to catch the manager at the right time at a Juice bar and has been doing a few hours most weeks for while.
- Looking for a Degree Apprenticeship. Did circa 40 applications, tailoring CV to the Job, doing online assessments and video interviews (to in effect a robot) and being ghosted by big companies or getting automated responses. Sometimes it was abundantly clear that no human person had dealt with his application and the response was clearly generated by AI.
All this while studying for 2 A Levels (Maths and Physics) and doing a BTEC (2 A Level equiv) in Engineering in conjunction with the UK Space Centre.
From his cohort of 30 (academic) kids - 2 have managed to secure Degree Apprenticeships.
He's decided to head off to Uni to do an Automotive Engineering degree (with placement year) and worry about the real world later.
Don't blame him.
16 year old
Something was clearly "not quite right" in Nursery/Reception/Yr1. Got Autism assessment (privately, money well spent in hindsight) and things made much more sense.
He has found social stuff tough but he has been resilient as **** in terms of making friends in the face of some proper dickhead classmates and accessing learning.
He's on track for some amazing grades at GCSE, has some mates and a GF. He disappears off for a week each year to a music camp with zero issues.
As a parent you hope your kids will have a better/easier life than you. I'm sure that's not the case for me and my kids. I'm not even sure it will be the case for my parents and me, certainly not in retirement.
One thing that is very clear is that if we don't sort out Youth unemployment it's really going to bite us. History states that having lots of Angry Young Men with time on their hands very rarely ends well. Throw in Social Media etc and things could get very nasty.
It's a bit of a myth that kids don't get negative feedback etc in school.
However, what I see a lot of in school is adults getting involved with problems that young people should be capable of sorting out themselves.
I see guidance teachers (not sure what the equivalent is in England, pastoral care?) stepping in to sort out all sorts of social issues between kids that they never would have got involved with say 10 years ago.
Now obviously the grown-ups need to get involved with serious issues but we're getting regular emails saying we need to move kids' seats in class because they have fallen out with so and so. A couple of days later and they're best pals again. It even extends to moving pupils classes for this sort of minor event that in the past we'd simply have said was just part of growing up.
The guidance staff engaging with this clearly comes from a place of concern but it's not teaching resilience if someone else is sorting these problems for kids.
I wonder if this is, in part, an effect of years of telling kids thet must go to an adult if something bad happens.
I was going to waffle on about being born in 1971 and the priviliges/lack of, but CBA.
Daughter though - born in 2000, had a turbulent teenage period, did 'ok' at school, didn't go to Uni, has had employment on a par/possibly above most mid level degree students, has travelled the world, moved from Matlock to a trendy area of Manchester under her own direction, had a decent job, moved to Oz, has a fantastic job, living her best life, doesn't have expectancy that things should be handed to her on a plate nor feel like life is tough for her generation (she thinks her generation have it good). She's a long way from being able to buy property, but I'll be dead one day, so that'll be her time if not sooner.
Life can be what you make it rather than feeling sorry for yourself because you weren't born sooner. There's a lot to be said for being young right now. But god forbid a bit of constructive criticism from an old guy, get a grip.
I'd like to think our daughters rounded attitude to life and positive attitude towards making something for herself has been partly down to the attitude of her far right parents (TM), because the liberally indoctrinated kids seem to be the worst for doing nothing but wanting everything (without being told they are doing anything wrong). I'm proud of my daughters achievements - if your childs biggest achievement is unemployment, under achievement and possibly wandering round London claiming to be an activist for the better good of 'something' maybe you should look in the mirror
I grew up in the 80s. It wasn't that much fun. Lots of nastiness, bullying, violence, insults, shame, frustration, injustice, humiliation, authoritarianism and pain. Endless abuse from classmates, endless bollockings from teachers, and all I wanted was to be happy and to please people. I would have done a lot better today.
But god forbid a bit of constructive criticism from an old guy, get a grip.
There's a difference between constructive criticism and abuse. You understand that, right?
There's a difference between constructive criticism and abuse. You understand that, right?
If you see this "I called out quick hurry up sort yourselves out" as abuse, I give up and assume your kids wander round London being activists
because the liberally indoctrinated kids
Ooh, where can I sign my kids up for liberal indoctrination camp?
It's definitely not just a thing that exists in your head, right? Is there a waiting list?
I give up and assume your kids wander round London being activists
Trolling ****tery adding nothing to the thread?
Interesting perspectives shared, lot of generational barking in service, but ultimately a load of shite as well.
My perspective of resilience is different, a lot of mine was a mix of very specific and calculated exposure to things to build it, the rest an unintended consequence of the job and life that surrounded it. Similar 9-5 work stresses, just a different context.
The operational ones are something unique, the tenets of which are broadly similar to those who work in some other areas of public service, with some contextual shift in severity for their roles.
Without Boomers, I couldn't have been effective at my job, without millennials digging out I couldn't have been effective at my job.
I used AI to summarise thoughts, because I couldn't be arsed typing a badly formed braindump.
Born in 1976 (Generation X) and raised in a serving Army family, this perspective is shaped by both upbringing and a 24‑year military career (1996–2020). That upbringing involved moving every 2–4 years, changing schools regularly, rebuilding friendships, and adapting to new environments, an early exposure to instability and resilience that often goes unseen.Military service included operational deployments to Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, alongside continuous training and high-readiness requirements. Even when not deployed, there was an expectation to be prepared to move at short notice, including as reinforcement or replacement. Same demands, same expectations—whether deployed or not.Operational demands during this period included:
- Sustained involvement in Northern Ireland (final years of Operation Banner)
- Peacekeeping and stabilisation operations in Bosnia and Kosovo
- Expeditionary intervention readiness (e.g. Sierra Leone era)
- Full-scale combat and stabilisation operations in Iraq (Operation Telic)
- Long-duration counter-insurgency campaign in Afghanistan (Operation Herrick and follow-on missions)
- Intervention operations such as Libya (Operation Ellamy, 2011)
- Counter-ISIS operations (Operation Shader)
- Ongoing NATO commitments, deterrence, and overseas training missions
- Repeated deployment cycles for some; continuous readiness and contingency duties for others
Across that time, service included people from multiple generations, all shaped by very different entry points and conflicts. The same criticisms heard today have been repeated across each of them:
- Baby Boomers were often seen as rigid or outdated, yet were shaped by the Cold War, Northern Ireland, and conflicts like the Falklands, and went on to build and lead the structures others relied on.
- Generation X were labelled cynical or detached, yet became the core that led and sustained operations through Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
- Millennials were described as entitled or soft, yet carried some of the highest operational tempo seen, with repeated deployments as part of normal service life.
- The current generation is now judged in similar terms, despite entering during a period of fewer large-scale deployments but continued readiness, uncertainty, and evolving global threats.
But god forbid a bit of constructive criticism from an old guy, get a grip.
If you believe the OP was being constructive then it's time to stop and have a think. Can you manage that or is it something only practised in activists' club?
If you believe the OP was being constructive then it's time to stop and have a think. Can you manage that or is it something only practised in activists' club?
Alright - gentle encouragement to play better then. Jeez
Ooh, where can I sign my kids up for liberal indoctrination camp?
They are starting them young now you know
Alright - gentle encouragement to play better then. Jeez
They were shouted at to sort themselves out, by some random old geezer on the boundary. We evidently have different views on what's constructive.
They were shouted at to sort themselves out, by some random old geezer on the boundary. We evidently have different views on what's constructive.
Maybe if their coach had shouted at them to sort themselves out, they wouldn't have needed oldfart to do it. Could maybe have worded it slightly better with what they actually needed to do to not get run out, but to describe it as abuse is quite frankly mindblowing and exactly what oldfart was questioning the ridiculousness of in his OP. The world has gone soft. It's a competetive game, opinions should be heard and if some 12yr old boys are being rubbish at cricket, they maybe need to hear it to be better
Honestly, I don't think having someone shout "sort it out" from the sidelines is that helpful - it's not abuse, but it doesn't help.
The world has gone soft.
Idiot.
Sort yourself out!
[ see OP for full context ]
Classic STW here. Some blokes who weren't there arguing the finer points of what happened.
Trolling ****tery adding nothing to the thread?
Idiot.
In a thread discussing constructive (or not) criticism your two replies to me have knocked it out of the park. Well done
Maybe if their coach had shouted at them to sort themselves out, they wouldn't have needed oldfart to do it
If you really think that a) the players were unaware that they'd made a mistake, and b) shouting at them to sort themselves out helps them to avoid repeating their mistake, I can only hope that you are not and never will be involved with coaching children.
