[Closed] Today, if you're English...

What a load of ***ocks it's English regardless of who the cheap labour was at the time.
And as for the Spitfire being an English icon, well possibly argueable, but I think it's exploits over the English Channel are what made it legendary so I think that's were the assocaition comes from.
You can go away and google anything into it's component parts in your attempt to destroy anything we hold dear, but these things are English in just the same way the Statue of Liberty is American.

ok.. a last note from me on the Stonehenge thing..
they're not bloody English Heritages stones either..

Admanmatt's pics sum up why it's so ****ing fantastic to be English! Perfect.

See, that's what being English should be all about; not closing your doors or your minds to diversity, but opening your eyes, welcoming strangers, enjoying what they have to give us. And absorbing that into who we are as people.

From the Village Church Fete, to a Bhangra Festival, from medieval ruins to the latest cutting edge design, from Shakespeare to txt spk, from Scouse to Geordie to Cockney to Brummie; This Is England.

You can go away and google anything into it's component parts in your attempt to destroy anything we hold dear,

You can go away and google anything into it's component parts in your attempt to destroy anything we hold dear, but these things are English in just the same way the Statue of Liberty is American.

Inddeed. Well put. 🙂
Another 'Made in England' icon -

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[i]The Sydney Harbour bridge was designed and built by Dorman Long and Co Ltd, Middlesbrough Teesside and Cleveland Bridge, Darlington, County Durham [/i]

Maybe we should point out more stuff from around the world that is, in fact, English? 😉

Exactamundo whatever the component parts it's fundamentaly English.

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Talkemada - That't the bit or Britshness that makes me feel patriotic and these two as well.

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Institutions that are about people not things or places. ;]

You're right, Adman. And if all those with their petty squabbles on here could stop for a minute, and think about it, then they'd perhaps start to really see things they should be proud of.

This is a ****ing brilliant country to live in. Second to none. I am always happy that I do.

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PeterPoddy - I do hope you were trying to be obtuse as you managed to contradict yourself beautifully there, well done. 😆

The use of a Spitfire to denote 'Englishness' is insulting to all the other nations of the UK

What a complete load of codswallop.

Falkirk-Mark
Yes apart from Crewe and where ever the other place was Merlin manufacturing did go ahead in Glasgow.
Much in the same way Nissans are/where made in Sunderland, still doesn't make them English or even British IMO.

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PeterPoddy - I do hope you were trying to be obtuse as you managed to contradict yourself beautifully there, well done.

D'ya mean the bridge? It was a bit of leg pulling, aimed at the argumentitive contingent, yes, but I can't see where I contradiced myself though.... Unless you thought that I thought the Statue of Liberty was made here too, which I didn't. 🙂

What Imeant was, the SHB is an Australian icon, but it was made in England. 🙂

So what about the English language then? It's a fairly remarkable piece of work by linguistic standards, as I understand it, and actually secretly logs a lot of the progress of England/Britain through the centuries...

What a complete load of codswallop.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-British_personnel_in_the_RAF_during_the_Battle_of_Britain ]Not at all; the pilots who flew Spitfires/in theBattle of [b]Britain[/b] came from all over the UK, and indeed all over the Globe. [/url]

Claiming the Spitfire as an exclusively 'English' symbol is insulting to the memory of those that died trying to defend Britain and it's colonies from Nazism. The Spitfire should be used as a symbol of the fight against Fascism, not as a symbol of Englishness. Regardless of where the 'planes were built; it was their pilots who gave their lives for our freedom. The Spitfire should serve as a monument to their bravery, not hijacked to serve the desires of Nationalism.

[b]Read the thread!![/b]

It talks about english design and english engineering.

Nothing to do with the war
Nothing to do with the people who flew it.

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Ohh FFS!!

If you're English you should be proud of your country, it's done may great things.

Nothing wrong with patriotism.

Read the thread!!

It talks about british design and british engineering.

Nothing to do with the war
Nothing to do with the people who flew it.

Eh? I thought it was about being [b]English[/b]?

[i]'Nothing to do with the War'? 'Nothing to do with the people who flew it'???[/i]

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Happy St Georges Day everyone and wish you a great weekend.

Sorry, sleepy after lunch, updated post

Its about english design and english engineering

I think the only thing that could make this anymore English would be if we had to queue up and discuss the weather before we could complain and argue!! 😆 🙄

I've really been trying very hard not to bite on this so far, but here goes, one little nip! 😉

'Nothing to do with the War'? 'Nothing to do with the people who flew it'???

Only if you make it so. The original opinion from LHS who posted the first Spitfire pic was
[i]"Its not a celebration of wars, its a celebrations of great english designs, designers, and engineering, something we should all be proud of as an engineering nation."[/i]

But some people just CANNOT leave an opinion at face value. They HAVE to argue. Their opinion MUST be right. It MUST be better.

When, in fact, it's just out of context, boring, and sad.

That's it. Said my piece. 🙂
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So, let's have another iconic English thing -
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You know for a fact that that would be insulting do you?

As a piece of briliant engineering it's worthy of iconic status alone.

I could actually ask an old Polish guy on Sunday.

This thread is the very epitome of Englishness. Petty, Small-minded, bad-tempered, deliberately provocative and argumentative. Keep it up. Tally ho! 😀

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LOL @ Binners. 🙂

Only if you make it so. The origional opinion form LHS who posted the first Spitfire pic was
"Its not a celebration of wars, its a celebrations of great english designs, designers, and engineering, something we should all be proud of as an engineering nation.

I'm sorry, but you can't separate an instrument of war from War itself. it would be lovely and convenient to forget the nasty War bit, but that would be forgetting the brave souls who fought for our freedom. As wonderful a piece of engineering as the Spitfire was, it was designed and built as a weapon. Not like some nice little sports car.

It's iconic status was created by those who flew it. They must never be forgotten.

Why must it solely be an 'English' thing? Why can't it be representative of all those who fought against Fascism? It wasn't just England that fought against the Nazis...

There's another 'English ' trait; ignoring history...

I give you Sir Barnes Neville Wallis

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Talkemada,

Why don't you just leave it and accept that there are varying opinions. Ok? Best of luck.

continue to reclaim a pride in being English - but make it a pride in the liberal freedom loving English - not the nationalistic fascist ones

Superb!

They never will be Talkemada please don't worry about that.

And onwards. We shouldn't forget the 'Great Stately Homo of England'
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His own description of himself so don't have a cow.
Edit; Unless you're Nick Griffin then please go ahead and have a very very large cow.

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Ooooooooooooh, Robert Plant. Sex god.

binners - Member

This thread is the very epitome of Englishness. Petty, Small-minded, bad-tempered, deliberately provocative and argumentative. Keep it up. Tally ho!

....and, were we all to meet in the real world at a bus stop, we would, despite our differences, form an orderly queue whilst apologising for being bumped into by everybody in the process.

We would then tut if the bus was late and sit as far apart as possible when we did get onto the bus.

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I'm sorry, but you can't separate an instrument of war from War itself

I can.

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Don't tell me what I can and cannot do.

A Welsh pride thread would have to have things on it that were Welsh not British.

So what about things that are English and NOT British?

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Uplink - WOW! 🙂

uplink, thats the best homebrew set up i've ever seen!