Late thread update! We’ve finally completed the process of getting our kids on the foreign births register and they have now been issued Irish passports, this has taken nearly 18 months end to end.
We just took a trip to Dublin to celebrate and help them connect with their ancestry. The EPIC (emigration museum) really helped give context for my dads journey as it covered people who left Northern Ireland because of the troubles, as he did. He left at 16 to join the British Army and purposely lost his Belfast accent to fit in.
My dad is quietly happy that he’s been able to pass Irish citizenship onto his grandkids, my mum doesn’t quite get it – she only knew him from his army days, pre the Good Friday Agreement, so to her he’s British not Irish.
Some other benefits we’ve learnt about; now my kids are Irish citizens their future children can go on the register to become citizens too – it can cascade down the generations. Also if I choose to live in the EU then my wife is entitled to a residency visa and can then stay over 90 days.
Thanks to @kilo for pointing out there is no need to retain a British passport - Irish citizens have the right to live and work in the UK so there’s no need to use both with the Common Travel Area arrangements, which incidentally works both ways allowing British citizens to live and work in Ireland visa free. I now only travel on my Irish passport.
Congrats Mr O'Sinatra.
You are welcome to the weather. Just had a really crap couple of weeks weather in Donegal, Mayo and Roscommon...
My daughter is planning to work in Europe next summer for several months as a gap year...her best friends parents heard about her plans and thought it would be an excellent idea if their daughter went with her. Unfortunately for them, my daughter has an EU passport and theirs does not. It took me a while to explain the issue to them.
"but she has a British passport they said....." I just had to laugh at their absolute certainty this was the best thing ever
They voted for Brexit.
Indeed. I have met a few friends and family who voted out and now want some teenager or 18 year old to go work in France and cannot understand the barriers that are in place.
For me, it means my eldest has gone to NZ instead of the alps as he had hoped. He is loving it. May Brexshit lead to the permanent emigration of one of my kids?
Congratulatins Fooman and family. You are right about not needing a British passport now but things can change. I recently had to get one because rule changes meant I couldn't travel the the UK on my French passport without paying an exhoritant fee. I'd let mine lapse for a decade or so and it was a faff getting a new one. Original birth certificate, marriage certificate, confirmation of identity by someone who knows you who is on a list of professions... it took months. For eighty odd quid every 10 years it's a convenient way of proving who you are when it comes to paying NI or claiming a pension.
You also need deep pockets, it cost about £280 or so.
Is that "all"? I looked into it, my Grandfather was born in Ireland, have the docs but baulked at the £1000 I thought it was going to cost. There are different stages to it though, right? It was subsequent stage I think was pricier. Maybe I'll look again. What's the starting place for paperwork submission?
looked into it, my Grandfather was born in Ireland, have the docs but baulked at the £1000 I thought it was going to cost.
I have lived and worked on the island of Ireland for 26 years, am married to an Irish citizen, but I have no Irish family ancestry of my own (as far as I know...) and so when I looked into getting a RoI passport a few years ago it was going to be 2000 euro!!
I'll need to put up with my UK passport for a while longer :-/
Thanks to @kilo for pointing out there is no need to retain a British passport.
Congratulations on getting the EU passports, having relatives living abroad & visiting UK right now, you might find this is not as simple as you think - basically if visiting the UK & eligible to have a British passport you need to enter on that passport not any other passport.
Congratulations on getting the EU passports, having relatives living abroad & visiting UK right now, you might find this is not as simple as you think - basically if visiting the UK & eligible to have a British passport you need to enter on that passport not any other passport.
That's not correct. Irish citizens are exempt from the restrictions relating to other dual nationals travelling to the UK due to the common travel area agreement. You can enter the UK on only an Irish passport regardless of any entitlement to a UK passport. The cta also applies to access to state benefits and paying into any social security scheme.
Is that "all"? I looked into it, my Grandfather was born in Ireland, have the docs but baulked at the £1000 I thought it was going to cost. There are different stages to it though, right? It was subsequent stage I think was pricier.
You are eligible through the foreign births register mechanism - grandparent born on the island of Ireland, that costs about €280.
https://www.ireland.ie/en/dfa/citizenship/born-abroad/registering-a-foreign-birth/#fees
Tractionman would be applying for naturalisation that cost over a k.
looked into it, my Grandfather was born in Ireland, have the docs but baulked at the £1000 I thought it was going to cost.
I’m the OP of this thread. I got my passport via my grandmother being born in Ireland, total cost for process was around £280.
I keep meaning to do this as my grandfather was Irish. think I’ve gathered all the Necessary birth certificates etc but need to get it all validated/witnessed before I can send off
I got mine a few years ago. Take both with me. Use the Irish one in Europe as it's quicker and no stamps. Use it on plane because I've got it from European passport control. Have switched to UK once in Britain if the queue is shorter, which it usually isn't.
My plan is extended tours of Europe for a year or two after retirement basically finding somewhere to settle for a few years. Mrs 100th has never lived away from the town we currently live in so it's baby steps on that front.
Congratulations on getting the EU passports, having relatives living abroad & visiting UK right now, you might find this is not as simple as you think - basically if visiting the UK & eligible to have a British passport you need to enter on that passport not any other passport.
That's not correct. Irish citizens are exempt from the restrictions relating to other dual nationals travelling to the UK due to the common travel area agreement. You can enter the UK on only an Irish passport regardless of any entitlement to a UK passport. The cta also applies to access to state benefits and paying into any social security scheme.
Really? That is bloody madness that other Dual UK nationalities have to have a valid UK passport or £589 Certificate of Entitlement...🤷
Sadly it is my great grand parents that are Irish, one generation too far.
The address we can find online is the blue/grey corner building in this photo - one day my father and I are heading back to Schull and local registers office to look out some more paperwork and see what we can discover about my family.
Sadly I renewed my uk passport today for the next 10 years. I have now lived in Ireland longer than I ever did in Scotland at this stage but with no family line available to me I baulk at the €1,200+ I would need to pay to get an Irish one, (that and my refusal to get one winds up my Irish wife 🤣). Maybe one day.
It's cheaper to replace my Irish one than the UK one.
Really? That is bloody madness that other Dual UK nationalities have to have a valid UK passport or £589 Certificate of Entitlement...🤷
The Common Travel Area gives right of entry to any Irish citizen, not just dual nationals. The CTA also includes citizens of Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey. Little known benefit; it goes both ways, a British citizen can live and work in Ireland visa free, the only EU country this is now possible.
That is bloody madness that other Dual UK nationalities have to have a valid UK passport or £589 Certificate of Entitlement...
Nah the UK and Ireland operates under different rules due to our rather messy history.
I think I broke the law when on a security clearance form I didnt note my Irish nationality (Ireland doesnt actually seem to be excluded). Given I went through NI vetting its safe to say the government knew I hadnt ticked the right box but it was ignored. Probably because it would have been way too much hassle to prosecute everyone who went "wait just cos my dad/mum is Irish means I have citizenship?". I didnt know until brexit time I started looking up how I could claim a passport (which I still need to do).
Reminds me of the mess in Australia when they started enforcing rules about dual citizenship for politicians and found a few people they didnt expect to be included.
If your spouse holds an EU passport, you don't really need one, unless you travel alone.
You can use the EU gates if with you are with your EU spouse.
Also, if you ever want to live and work in the EU, you automatically qualify for a suitable visa, which must be free and issued quickly.
You can use the EU gates if with you are with your EU spouse.
? if your spouse has an EU passport it won't need stamping on entry / exit but a UK passport does -- there are separate passport controls for each ?
You can use the EU gates if with you are with your EU spouse.
? if your spouse has an EU passport it won't need stamping on entry / exit but a UK passport does -- there are separate passport controls for each ?
From Google:
At European borders, individuals exercising EU free-movement rights are exempt from the EES tracking and passport stamping for short visits. You and your spouse are entitled to use the designated "EU/EEA/CH" fast-track lanes at border control. If a border guard asks, clearly state that you are travelling together under EU Directive 2004/38/EC.
You can use the EU gates if with you are with your EU spouse.
? if your spouse has an EU passport it won't need stamping on entry / exit but a UK passport does -- there are separate passport controls for each ?
From Google:
At European borders, individuals exercising EU free-movement rights are exempt from the EES tracking and passport stamping for short visits. You and your spouse are entitled to use the designated "EU/EEA/CH" fast-track lanes at border control. If a border guard asks, clearly state that you are travelling together under EU Directive 2004/38/EC.
Interesting, ok that quote is from Google AI Overview?
The actual wording as far as I can tell is:
RIGHT OF RESIDENCE
Article 6
Right of residence for up to three months
"wait just cos my dad/mum is Irish means I have citizenship?"
IIRC you have to do something to enact your Irish citizenship, if you haven't, then you are merely entitled to rather than a citizen.
I am uncertain whether I've done this for mine (and my Co. Antrim born Mum's) by putting my daughters on the FBR.
We need to get our fingers out and apply. Me and Mrs OD both have parents born on the Island of Ireland. Belfast and Dublin respectively.
We went over to Dublin for a reunion with Mrs ODs family. They were all like "do you have any Irish heritage" to me then look really nervous when I say Belfast like I'm going to break into a hearty rendition of The Sash. My Dad was Catholic for the record.
We need to get our fingers out and apply. Me and Mrs OD both have parents born on the Island of Ireland. Belfast and Dublin respectively.
If you have kids then you should really get organised on this. An EU passport is a wonderful thing to be able to gift your kids. Unfortunately, my passport came via Irish grandmother, so I can’t pass it on any further
You can use the EU gates if with you are with your EU spouse.
? if your spouse has an EU passport it won't need stamping on entry / exit but a UK passport does -- there are separate passport controls for each ?
In practice here's how it works, you join the EU passport lane, sometimes this leads to egates if it does show your passports to the staff (EU first) and say 'together' they will direct you both to a manned control booth. You hand both passports to the guard, they stamp the non EU passport usually with ESS check, then you are both on your way. I've not been brave enough just to go straight to the egates but I suspect they would work just fine with biometric passports - my kids went through them recently on British passports when it was busy and the other EU citizens had gone through first. Can't remember if they were subsequently stamped on exit.
