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If we are going to suggest a Hitleresque solution can I recommend we get the East Midlands Trains on time?
Mixing up yer fascist dictators there?
Or were you suggesting* that we should inhumanely pack an ethnic minority onto trains like cattle and ship them somewhere?......... You monster!
*Obviously I know you weren't but this is a demonstration of just how easy it is to take a comment out of context and be deeply offended by it. It's much easier than I thought it would be.
the last “acceptable” form of racism in modern British society
Woah there, we still have gingers.
Travellers aren’t a race.
Yes they are:
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
This thread shows how quickly and easily an ugly mob mentality breaks out. One person says something undeniably racist and offensive; this is permitted, because he's a mate of the moderators; this tacit approval of the gives a licence for lots more to come out of the woodwork.
I used to like coming here, but not any more. I guess I'll have to do some work instead.
"I used to like coming here, but not any more. I guess I’ll have to do some work instead"
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT WHY DONT YOU BLOODY WELL GO HOME THEN.
(jokes)
Probably best to shut it down before any more of them crawl out of their holes.
Mornington Crescent.
I hear the Daily Mail is refusing to allow links to STW from their site as the views expressed here are too obnoxious for their readership.
Perhaps you could tell us that amusing anecdote regarding Scottish Highlanders again? That should make them feel at home.
Quite surprised that the mods edited out the word "pikey" but left the remainder of the sentence untouched, completely missing the point.
It's a useless edit as few people here are stupid. I'm not offended by the word pikey, but I do think that displaying both crass ignorance and making blatantly racist comments should be dealt with appropriately.
The point I was trying to clarify – because I didn’t know the answer – was whether or not “pikey” was viewed as a racist term and generally unacceptable, or whether it was more analogous to something like “chav.”
If it helps to reach a conclusion on this, there's case history where a judge at an employment tribunal ruled that it could constitute racial harassment, and In December 2007, at Lewes Magistrates' Court, Lee Coleman, 28, admitted using racially-aggravated threatening words and behaviour after a row with a nightclub manageress.
He had told her: "I'm not paying you, pikey."
IANAL but I believe the people at the CPS who decide on appropriate charges to go forward to court are, so I'd be inclined to take a lead from that personally.
PS For those "they're not a race" posters - did any of you actually look into that at all before posting, or just made it up from the tops of your heads? As snowy has clarified, and it really isn't hard to discover this with a few seconds on your favourite search engine, yes they are.
So, they're legally defined under the equalities legislation, and people have been charged and convicted for racial offences for using the word. To be honest I'm struggling to understand how the mods needed much of a debate on this one.
EDIT: Just to be clear
..whether or not “pikey” was viewed as a racist term and [s]generally unacceptable[/s] therefore in breach of equalities law, with potential criminal liability for its use..
FTFY
I give up.
Will everyone be happier if we just delete this thread? Or is that just going to spark a meta-argument about us covering things up or censorship or some fabricated mince about bias?
Please God, make it stop!
Please delete it and ban me if you like. I'll go voluntarily before any more sheets need changing
Will everyone be happier if we just delete this thread?
I think you need to realign your life goals Cougs.
Making anyone on here happier is probably beyond your reach at this point.
Back to Thwaites again, the BBC North-West news showed a disgracefully misleading report last night; they interviewed a bloke who went sadly on about how upsetting it had all been and how it would take them ages to recover, etc. etc. and they showed some shots of the inside of the brewery, which as the reporter said: "Is now eerily quiet".
That's because the brewery has moved to Masham and the only brewing happening there is some tenants who brew a niche craft beer in small batches. I dislike travellers as much as anybody else but I hate misleading reporting even more.
#fakebrews
PS For those “they’re not a race” posters – did any of you actually look into that at all before posting, or just made it up from the tops of your heads? As snowy has clarified, and it really isn’t hard to discover this with a few seconds on your favourite search engine, yes they are.
So, they’re legally defined under the equalities legislation, and people have been charged and convicted for racial offences for using the word.
Legally defined, maybe. But biologically and sociologically it gets more confused.
http://theconversation.com/human-races-biological-reality-or-cultural-delusion-30419
I think travellers are a race in the sense of the race relations act, but what about people from different regions who can be identified by their accent?
Either way, it is the behaviour of the Thwaites brewery travellers that marks them out, and while they may not be statistically typical it is a common enough behaviour which many people here will have encountered to some degree, even if it is only the rubbish left behind. "'ansome is as 'ansome does" as they say where I come from.
In which case surely having to pour away 1700 pints is going to hit them a lot harder than a big brewer, so actually it's even worse?That’s because the brewery has moved to Masham and the only brewing happening there is some tenants who brew a niche craft beer in small batches.
Will everyone be happier if we just delete this thread
I don't recall the referendum on my thread about folk who come from the village of Nigg 😎.
<p>Do what your conscience tells you but FWIW I got a ban for calling people the C word in the heat of the moment with no chance to apologise. Compare that to this situation where binners still hasn't shown any remorse and is still being an arse about it.</p><p></p><p>I know what I'd do.</p>
In which case surely having to pour away 1700 pints is going to hit them a lot harder than a big brewer, so actually it’s even worse?
1700 litres (not pints) is considerably less than two IBCs and they are probably insured against product losses.
There's no possibility that Travellers are racially different; they are mostly Irish Celts, which is the same as huge numbers of people who consider themselves British. And plenty of proudly British people are experts at working the system, exploiting our competitive guilt and pushing the right buttons at Social Services. Allow me to introduce you to my obese lazy SIL who lives very nicely without doing a day's work, courtesy of the taxpayer.
FFS Cougar are you being deliberately dim or what? The issue here isn't about the term 'pikey', it's about someone calling for the Hitler final solution to deal with them. Even Katie bloody Hopkins got fired from the Daily Wail for using the term but you can't see any issue with it?!
#fakebrews
Bravo Perchy. Bravo...😂😂
I give up.
Will everyone be happier if we just delete this thread?
Not sure who that was aimed at, if anyone in particular, but if my response to your comment is the offending article then apologies, I was trying to be helpful - you flagged uncertainty as to the racistness of "pikey" and I tried to give some evidence based context to help reach a conclusion.
Legally defined, maybe. But biologically and sociologically it gets more confused.
http://theconversation.com/human-races-biological-reality-or-cultural-delusion-30419
I think travellers are a race in the sense of the race relations act, but what about people from different regions who can be identified by their accent?
If we're talking about the acceptability or otherwise of derogatory and insulting language, the legal definition is going to be the most pertinent one, isn't it?
The Race Relations Act was superceded some time ago btw.
you can’t see any issue with it?!
I do see the issue with it, of course. I explained that I ignored it initially because I read it as a joke - which it was - albeit in bad taste. If I thought for a moment the post was remotely serious then it would have been immediately deleted without question and probably a ban issued.
I asked if you guys would prefer that we censor such things, and got back three pages of baseless claims and ranting about the state of moderation instead (and no answer to the question I actually asked).
There's no way I can sanitise this thread now, it'll take me all afternoon. So you've got three options:
1) we delete the thread
2) we close the thread
3) you all just accept that a mistake has been made, put the bloody anti-mod guns down, and we'll know better for next time
Pick one and let's move on, FFS. I'm losing the will to live.
@edlong It wasn't directed at anyone specific and your reply was helpful. Thanks.
Close the thread and ban me for calling Binners a nobhead in direct contravention to the forum rules regarding personal abuse.
I'm prepared to take one for the team.
I’m losing the will to live
I'm sure binners could help out there
i think Perchy's gag "Fake Brews" counteracts the personal abuse imo. Thus no ban should be enforced.
If you ban PP you’d have to ban me for calling myself a nobhead too
Happy to take one for the team, Sergio Ramos style, for being a nobhead
strictly speaking, as it was a misleading newspaper article about a beverage production facility that itself wasn't what it was made out to be, it's fake fake brews news.
And if anyone does a deliberately ironic catcall at reading that, that would be fake fake fake brews news boos.
I'll get my coat, the one without iron crosses on the collars.
if we're banning people for being nobheads, it'll be a quiet week.
"if we’re banning people for being nobheads, it’ll be a quiet week."
if a bomb went off in here though, frankly we'd all be better off.
Are you advocating genicide?
And if anyone does a deliberately ironic catcall at reading that, that would be fake fake fake brews news boos.
If it was zero alcohol beer it would be fake fake fake fake brews news booze boos.
If that doesn't deserve a ban i'm gonna flounce.
If it was zero alcohol beer it would be fake fake fake fake brews news booze boos.
Or in NZ
fake fake fake fake brews news booze boos bro
If it was zero alcohol beer it would be fake fake fake fake brews news booze boos.
If it was being made by a man dressed up in a cartoon bear costume it would be....
fake fake fake fake fake boo-boos brews news booze boos.
what if that man was an Indian mystic?
What?..... Like a swami? 😉
denying that there is a problem with illegality from travellers is as bad as denying that there is a problem with British Asians grooming young girls...
denying that there is a problem with illegality from travellers is as bad as
Did any one do that TG?
Well, seeing as it was already in my clipboard...
Yeah man. We're doing our best here to derail this thread down a bizarre tangent.
Don't try and harsh our buzz.
Edit: Cougar showin' some mad chair skillz there ^^^^^^^
Sorry, missed a page. Has binners been to The Hague yet?
I think we should deal with the bad element of the mobile community by stealing all their wheels. How you gonna travel now?
denying that there is a problem with illegality from travellers is as bad as denying that there is a problem with [s]British Asians[/s] [b]people[b] grooming young girls…
That the Yaxley-Lennons of this world only live tweet or whatever from the trials of the brown-skinned ones doesn't mean that the white skinned grooming gangs don't exist too. They're just a bit inconvenient for certain people's bigoted narratives so they ignore them.
That the Yaxley-Lennons of this world only live tweet or whatever from the trials of the brown-skinned ones doesn’t mean that the white skinned grooming gangs don’t exist too. They’re just a bit inconvenient for certain people’s bigoted narratives so they ignore them.
spoken as someone who is part of the problem...
Fear of being accussed of racism has allowed situations like this to arise, and fear of critising travellers and treating them as untouchable is going the same way.
Yep, who is doing that here tg? People are pointing out accusing an entire group of being the same is a bad thing and just as unhelpful Do you decide what somebody is like just by looking at them?