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The Report button is broken if it can only be used once per post, despite there being several reasons for using it. Frankly this sounds like another forum technical fault with a made-up cover story.
And not deleting something because it has since been requoted? It's not been a problem in the past. Use the Search facility for the string "Hitler" if scrolling through two pages of posts is too tedious.
The point I was trying to clarify – because I didn’t know the answer – was whether or not “pikey” was viewed as a racist term and generally unacceptable, or whether it was more analogous to something like “chav.”
I think the rest of us were trying to clarify if jokes about the Holocaust were now acceptable on STW?
I would never joke about the Holocaust, me great grampy died at Dachau.
Broke his neck falling out of a machine gun nest, poor bastard.
I would imagine that this “approach to moderation” would be completely invisible to a casual observer, you wouldn’t have known if I hadn’t just told you.
It's more that some of us are staggered that you believe binners comments to be acceptable.
My step-grandad beat a Nazi to death with a coal shovel (his description of events) during his escape from the Ukraine in the 2nd World War.
He didn’t like travellers/gypsies/pikeys whatever you call them either. Didn’t beat any of them to death with a shovel to my knowledge.
Some people really do spend too much time getting offended on the behalf of others. Lord knows what your blood pressure must be like.
Some people really do spend too much time getting offended on the behalf of others. Lord knows what your blood pressure must be like.
I don't need "others" for me to be offended by racism. I suppose a lack of basic decency is simpler though.
Some people really do spend too much time getting offended on the behalf of others. Lord knows what your blood pressure must be like.
to borrow a phrase
<b>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.</b>
You are welcome to look the other way
Binners is literally worse than Hitler.
he’s just a fat ignorant prick
Too far.
Binners made an ill judged wisecrack. No need to get personal
You can still be offended without being offensive
Too far.
Binners made an ill judged wisecrack. No need to get personal
You can still be offended without being offensive
Quite. My comment was clearly in jest, if yours was it was too well hidden
I don’t comment on these sorts of threads often but I read the Hitler ‘solution’ post and thought that the thread would be closed and the person who posted it would be banned.
I return to the thread to see that it’s still there and it’s fine to call for a genocide if you know the Mods and you come back and make some desperately unfunny jokes to cover your back.
What a strange set of standards.
Listen from 2 mins if you’re in a rush.
Calm down petal, just some bants isn't it?
Yeah, bants innit.
Totes roflcopters sweet cheeks. ☹️
Well, this is nice....
Lister nails it. Mods - you usually do a great job on the forum but you've missed the point completely this time.
Mattbee I'm the first to pour scorn on virtue signallers and faux outrage but a line of decency has clearly been crossed.
I wonder, if the same comment had been made in the overly camp arsehole thread would people be so quick to defend it?
Are we closing the forum next Tuesday for some diversity training then? I'll bring the Starbucks.
I'm confused... was it the Nazi's that trashed the brewery then... ?
I’m confused… was it the Nazi’s that trashed the brewery then… ?
Don't be daft. ........................ It's the Nazis that are in charge of the forum.
Please let binners be banned for a week or two. I’m sick of him at the moment. We all need a break from him to be honest.
Anyway, where did this racism thing come into a discussion about travellers? Travellers aren't a race.
read back on the thread, it;s not hard just 2 pages back there
Nope. Can't see it. As I've already said, travellers aren't a race.
Nope. Can’t see it. As I’ve already said, travellers aren’t a race...
Hint it's binners calling for a hitler solution to a group of people.
Not classifying a group of people as a race for a means of classification/punishment/persecution is a loophole or technicality. It's not a free pass to be morally repugnant. Much as saying Yorkshire isn't a race but calling for it to be culled is not on.
Just to return to the subject...I knew a couple who bought a pub near Newark in Nottinghamshire; spent a lot of money renovating and recruiting. Good chef, local produce, pleasant bar - all round good effort with growing number of regulars. So far so good.
Newark has long established permanent traveller site - if that's not a contradiction - and school specifically for traveller children. Traveller get togethers and other 'events' occasionally led to street brawls and police involvement.
Couple running pub accept booking for traveller wedding; deposit paid, they arrive and more and more turn up - eat, drink, behave aggressively, threaten staff and don't settle the bill.
Long story short - this leads directly to couple losing business, damages their relationship, deprives locals of good facility and scumbag arseholes walk away denying liability and responsibility.
Same as others ^^^^ I see the majority of travellers as scum because their behaviour earns and justifies that description.
As an aside my mother was Irish and always referred to travellers as 'tinkers' in the Irish derogatory manner. So called travellers were and are despised in Ireland despite their claims of Irish heritage.
Nope. Can’t see it. As I’ve already said, travellers aren’t a race.
This. I did wonder myself, and it's a genuine question I have. If it was about football fans, I can see how some might disagree, but fundamentally isn't the only common denominator here something closer to football fan than it is to "race" (yes, I know..)? It's a way of life choice, surely, not a race thing? Am I being naïve?
A few miles from Flash Towers, there are a couple of modern caravans, and a couple of old horse drawn ones, alongside a lane. A couple of gypsy families. Everyone locally knows that they're there, and everyone knows that they're no trouble for anyone. Always get a cheery hello when I ride past, and I always return it.
They're travellers, but they're not scum.
Sadly, the likes of those in the OP are making life very hard for them.
Nope. Can’t see it. As I’ve already said, travellers aren’t a race.
Ah.. so... its probably ok to kill them all then?
Yay! He got off on a technicality
No harm done 🙄
Gypsies/Travellers are not interchangeable. Gypsies(The Romani) are almost always nice and peaceful, Travellers are a group of predominantly Irish, travelling criminals who have no respect for anyone or anything.
I've had many interactions with both. Gypsies will come and find you and ask if they can stay on your land for a few days, it will be left as they found it. Travellers will break in, stay as long as they want, leave £x k's worth of rubbish and call you a racist if you ask them to take their rubbish with them.
The reason they can get away with it is because they have managed to align themselves with the romani people, as if they are one and the same. THEY ARE NOT!
I do not believe that binners is a bad person.
Even if he does like Greggs and MacDs.
#pray for binners.
Ah.. so… its probably ok to kill them all then?
I've heard they're allergic to fire!
100 years ago travellers could legally camp in many places and were respected and useful parts of the rural economy. for example welcomed on my great great grandparents farm as they had the tools to sharpen knives and scythes that farmer could not afford.
Over the years their lifestyle was slowly made more and more legally impossible - there are not enough legal sites now in the UK for the travellers ( less than half of all travellers can be accomodated on legal site - this means more than half must be illegal every night of the year) - this forces them into illegal behaviour.
force a group out of civil society and then act surprised when that group having been forced into illegallity is some aspects of their lives then ignore laws in other areas.
This is the root cause of the illegal behaviour
Much as saying Yorkshire isn’t a race but calling for it to be culled is not on.
I’m Yorkshire born and bred and wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. May I suggest Barnsley as a starting point just because of the accent.
Barnsley for the chop?
It's unfair to tar all travellers with the same brush.
It's the 99% that give the rest a bad name.
This is the root cause of the illegal behaviour
Rubbish. Saying how other people have treated them is like saying “hey it’s ok that he shot someone cos he was bullied at school”. One does not follow the other.
They could chose to move to sites and when they get moved on leave it tidy. They could choose to be an asset to the local community still. Maybe then they would be welcomed. But no, they CHOOSE (they aren’t forced to, they have plenty of options) to vandalise, litter and rob the places they stay, intimidate, then con and abuse the people around those sites.
They could choose...
They CHOOSE...
I agree with you, on an individual, personal level. But drill deeper. WHY do they make these choices? Why do you and I chose NOT to be antisocial? On a societal level, a population that is ostracised and hated by the society within which it finds itself is Not likely to behave well towards the haters, is it? Just blaming the individuals involved in the bad behaviour is too simplistic. It may be true, they may be acting like arseholes, but to not explore the underlying causes of the arseholery is lazy, Daily Mail thinking.
100 years ago travellers could legally camp in many places and were respected and useful parts of the rural economy.
times move on - 100 years ago I could get a seat on the train when commuting 🙂
ok, provide sites for travellers to camp and move between, but then don't accept this illegality and untouchability they seem to be allowed.
Even when they camp places now, they still seems to trash the areas when they leave, which is their choice to do.
Enforced sterilization would sort it out.
Enforced medical procedures? Nice
“It’s unfair to tar all travellers with the same brush”
say what you like but they’re not short of brushes and tar.
OT: thanks to Cougar for the email. The evidence of my swearing is indeed damning and amusing to read after the fact. As to why I only received the last email informing me of my ban, is still a mystery. The policy, dare I say it, is still backward as this thread alone proves.
The problem with tongue-in-cheek hyperbole posts on issues like this is that it enables and encourages the kind of people who are dumb and prejudiced enough to actually believe that shit (see a couple of posts above).
Probably best to shut it down before any more of them crawl out of their holes.
newrobdob. I did not say it was OK just explaining how the situation came to be. Unless you understand the causes you cannot find a solution. in 100 years this group has gone from being valued members of the rural economy to ostracised outcasts. Why?
Probably best to shut it down before any more of them crawl out of their holes.
Leave it running. It's interesting to see who'll tut-tut when prejudice is voiced against some groups in society but stick their head above the parapet to sling generalisations against this one.
Over the years their lifestyle was slowly made more and more legally impossible – there are not enough legal sites now in the UK for the travellers ( less than half of all travellers can be accomodated on legal site – this means more than half must be illegal every night of the year) – this forces them into illegal behaviour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-40903474
A lack of legal sites does not justify this sort of behaviour - which admittedly is extreme and I assume/hope not behaviour that most travellers would condone.
The issue seems to be the most visible parts of the Irish Travelling community are those that rock up somewhere they have no right to be and trash the place. It happens far to often to be just a few wrong uns and hence they become victims of the last "acceptable" form of racism in modern British society.
If we are going to suggest a Hitleresque solution can I recommend we get the East Midlands Trains on time?