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They are not all the same but sadly enough travellers are a waste of O2 to taint them all.
As for the police response to them. I’d be guessing they are spread thin enough without chasing after people who will never end being punished
When a borough like Ribble Valley only has about 20 police on duty on an average night, half of whom are sent straight to permanent duties like guarding prisoners in hospital, it would take a monumental bit of anticipation and coordination to get enough police together on one night to be able to steam in and search every Transit and caravan, gather evidence and confiscate untaxed vehicles, all while being harrassed and intimidated by loudmouths who know their rights inside out. The legal arguments and demands for compo would last for years afterwards.
That said, my PC neighbour tells me the Thwaites brewery was almost disused as the brewing has gone to Marston's. The offices are being used by tenants and a microbrewery and the yard was vacant.
Wiki says:
"In January 2014, the company made the wrong kind of national headlines. Thwaites' proposed closure of its Star Brewery and 60 brewing redundancies led to staff temporarily switching off the H, I and E in the company's brewery sign to spell "****s".Thwaites' inability to select an alternative site for its brewery and to conclude a deal to sell its site to Sainsbury's received criticism in many areas including the local press and brewing industry. The Tandleman blog suggested that apart from the beers produced in the renowned Crafty Dan craft brewery, Thwaites would contract out production of its beers permanently to other breweries."
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As for the police response to them. I’d be guessing they are spread thin enough without chasing after people who will never end being punished
They are over-represented in prison compared to their proportion of the general population so clearly they are being prosecuted to some extent. I have spoken to Police officers a number of times about them and believe me, they are as frustrated as we are with the situation.
Travelers might not be able to read or write but they are not stupid, they know how to play the game.
I've only lived in my current location 4 years and I already could give probably 20 stories from direct family and friends from this area who have been personally affected by travelers. That includes assault, fraud and theft, yet the Travelers must make up less than 1% of the population. As far as I know, not a single conviction has resulted, and that's not for lack of trying from the Police. Like I said, they know how to play the game, it is their day job. They are experts at it.
It is a big problem for those affected and it's not going away.
We need an elite taskforce of pensioners with screwdrivers to work as security guards.
We need an elite taskforce of pensioners with screwdrivers to work as security guards.
Recruitment drive at B&Q?
I for one am yet to come across a group of travellers who leave an occupied site as they found it, Has anyone else?.
I for one am yet to come across a group of travellers who leave an occupied site as they found it, Has anyone else?.
Are we including festival-goers in this?
They're a sort of reverse-Wombles
"I for one am yet to come across a group of travellers who leave an occupied site as they found it, Has anyone else?"
hear hear.
Bring back our lovely BRITISH lay-bys and waste-grounds. Lets' not let them harm our nation's hidden eyesores. I'm old enough to remember our dead-ends, un surfaced car parks and lay bys once having some stunning dumped aggregate or a burnt out fiesta. Now look at them. These lot just ruin that for all of us.
I for one am yet to come across a group of travellers who leave an occupied site as they found it, Has anyone else?.
Depends on what makes a group but I know a couple of families who mostly keep to themselves and travel between a handful of regular sites, they cause zero issues for anybody. No idea what the split is between decent people and bawbags within the overall travelling population but I know you won't likely ever run into these families I know due to the way they live so I wonder how many others like them are still on the go.
The other travellers I know own their own site (and house on it also) as well as their own very successful company. If you ran into these people day to day you'd not know they were travellers, but they do hit the road for work and live on sites whilst working. Never seen or heard of any issues with them.
I don't personally know any of the bawbag types but encountered plenty of them before.
I don’t personally know any of the bawbag types
I don't think anyone knows them per se, that's part of the issue, they can do whatever the **** they like and no one knows who they are, no one gets to know them, the Police are rightfully shit scared of them, and we pay to clean it up.
I'm sure every one of us could link from our local paper.
https://en-gb.facebook.com/angrypeopleinlocalnewspapers/
In case you don't have your local rag to hand....
Nobber, I think your missing the point there,
There's a point Pike?
Some people seem to know some who are not trashing everything, you seem to deny they exist
Where did I say that? I used the word 'occupy' which I'd say differentiates those who use sites legally to those who don't. I've never seen any places locally that travellers have turned up, occupied, been moved on, and not left a midden behind. Does that make it easier for you?.
I'm well aware there are good 'uns too.
Yet weirdly the report post link is missing from that post
You can put the tinfoil down. The "Report" link disappears once a post has been reported, as @theotherjonv posited.
which has stayed up for over 2hours now. Post a picture with some swearing on it and its deleted almost instantly along with a ban.
There was a delay whilst we were discussing whether "pikey" was inherently offensive or whether its use was acceptable in describing this particular group of miscreants. Ie, not all travellers are "pikeys" but this lot were, sort of thing.
Swearing in pictures is much more clearly defined, it's an easier judgement call.
I have to laugh now, I was banned for a WEEK for using asterisks in a swearword not even the complete word
No you weren't. You were banned for doing it repeatedly despite several warnings and the penultimate one advising that you'd receive a ban if you did it again.
I for one am yet to come across a group of travellers who leave an occupied site as they found it, Has anyone else?.
Nor me, but is there an element of reporting bias / confirmation bias here perhaps? "Travellers leave site exactly as they found it" doesn't make for headline news. Like, someone sees a cyclist jump a red light and thinks "bloody cyclists" whilst ignoring / not noticing the thousands who don't do so.
I rode motorbikes in the 80s .
Many pubs wouldn't let me in due to my mode of transport.
An effort was made to point out that we were normal people who just rode motorbikes .
Toy runs were organised and eventually we got accepted.
As far as I am aware there doesn't seem to be any attempt by gypsies to improve their image. I assume they quite like their "nobody likes us and we don't care"status.
"No you weren’t. You were banned for doing it repeatedly despite several warnings and the penultimate one advising that you’d receive a ban if you did it again"
I'd love to see the correspondence regarding the 'several warnings' because i sure as hell don't have it.
I suspect I wont get it just like the last time I asked. Your language policy is a joke, swearing all over the place- asterisks or not. And yet this unit Binners wont get banned? Its a laughing stock mate.
Apologies, lets get back to the badly tarmac'd driveways again. As you were.
I am deeply concerned that a post on STW containing "I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution" has not been removed after it has been reported. Do the mods think this kind of language is appropriate in any context?
"I am deeply concerned that a post on STW containing “I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution” has not been removed after it has been reported. Do the mods think this kind of language is appropriate in any context?"
here's your answer:
"There was a delay whilst we were discussing whether “pikey” was inherently offensive"
takeaway? they don't GAF.
well somebody report my post if you want where I repeated it and asked the question.
And this is why they get away with it - people picking fault with any action someone wants to take against them. OK the hitler comment might be a bit far but I bet they are all laughing nowadays as they can paint themselves as a persecuted minority like LGBT/BAME/disabled/religious groups when in reality they are nothing like them and certainly don't deserve any special treatment.
Roma groups are ok and you'd probably never see them, the scum that are the "travellers" make themselves out to be some sort of glamorous old fashioned community but they are just criminals who have used violence and intimidation, along with some legal loopholes in our society to basically do whatever they want.
As far as I am aware there doesn’t seem to be any attempt by gypsies to improve their image. I assume they quite like their “nobody likes us and we don’t care”status.
I take gypsies and travellers to mean two separate groups of people.
“I am deeply concerned that a post on STW containing “I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution” has not been removed after it has been reported. Do the mods think this kind of language is appropriate in any context?”
Not agreeing with the comment in any way, and notwithstanding that I suspect it wasn't meant to anything like the full extent of the words anyway, is it not a situation where we have to not defend the opinion but defend the right to have the opinion?
Not agreeing with the comment in any way, and notwithstanding that I suspect it wasn’t meant to anything like the full extent of the words anyway, is it not a situation where we have to not defend the opinion but defend the right to have the opinion?
See a couple months ago when nazi dug guy got found guilty of a criminal offence for making a joke.
See news every other day where someone has just lost a job or a contract or something or other for making a joke or expressing an opinion others disagreed with.
I think it's too late.
I’d love to see the correspondence regarding the ‘several warnings’ because i sure as hell don’t have it.
I'm more than happy to forward it on to you if you think I'm lying.
I am deeply concerned that a post on STW containing “I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution” has not been removed after it has been reported. Do the mods think this kind of language is appropriate in any context?
The post was reported for racist language, and that's what it was moderated on (not by me, BTW). I know Binners well enough to understand that he wasn't being serious so didn't really pay it much heed TBH. Which leads us to:
Not agreeing with the comment in any way, and notwithstanding that I suspect it wasn’t meant to anything like the full extent of the words anyway, is it not a situation where we have to not defend the opinion but defend the right to have the opinion?
This is where I'd be coming from I think. There's no "right" answer here, to an extent we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We already get accused of being "over-zealous" by some quarters. If we'd deleted the post, aren't we essentially just applying censorship? Is that really what most people want? I don't think I do.
I'm kind of the opinion that if people want to say dickish things (I'm not referring specifically to this post here, I'm generalising) then maybe their comments should be left for others to see them being dickish. They get called out on it and it becomes self-policing by community rather than draconian moderating.
In any case, the post has been re-quoted and discussed here making clean-up a nightmare, we'd have to edit / delete half a page of posts. So I think in this specific case the genie's out of the bottle now.
I know Binners well enough to understand that he wasn’t being serious so didn’t really pay it much heed TBH.
Lol. What if it was someone you didn't know well? What does that approach to moderation look like to a more casual observer?
I agree with the mods on this, I thought STW had a policy of not deleting stuff because it encouraged people to think before they posted. You can post anything you like, but it's there for all eternity if anyone googles your username.
Other forums with more censorial mods just have people saying stupid shit knowing it will be deleted.
The post was reported for racist language, and that’s what it was moderated on (not by me, BTW). I know Binners well enough to understand that he wasn’t being serious so didn’t really pay it much heed TBH. Which leads us to:
Good point, although not every one does, it sort of leads to the point where we can escape anything by calling it a joke. It also highlights an issue with the one time report button, personally the term used was the least offensive part of that. Invoking mass murder of a single group as a joke is still there as the the far end of things. I know the genie is out of the bottle and I think the responses with jaw dropping may inform the mods as to what the users find unacceptable. Because a mate wrote it shouldn't change how you read it.
I think what he’s trying to say is that he’s fully aware that I’m a nobhead, as most people who meet me are, rather than a potentially genocidal right wing nut-job advocating mass murder
Anyway when I said more Hitler-esque’ i actually meant requiring them all, by law, to grow daft little moustaches and wear Lederhosen, thus making them far less menacing, and also raising some practical issues when trying to fly tip a Transit load of industrial waste into a local beauty spot?
That ok?
"I’m more than happy to forward it on to you if you think I’m lying"
please do, I was asking for this back when i was banned 7 months ago- not that it makes any difference to anyone. I only ever received one email indicating "time off" hense my attitude at the time of this being a petty boys club where ****tish behaviour is tolerated because they're in the clique and somehow swearing is an unforgivable sin. Seems some above are alluding to the same clique within this thread above. funny that.
U OK HUN? XX
Bans should be reserved for the following words:
you ok hun
said
outwith
curated
gifted
That is all.
I think what he’s trying to say is that he’s fully aware that I’m a nobhead, as most people who meet me are
I've never met Binners but I think he's a nobhead.
Hope this helps.
"I agree with the mods on this, I thought STW had a policy of not deleting stuff because it encouraged people to think before they posted"
clearly a policy that is working well.
"I’ve never met Binners but I think he’s a nobhead.
Hope this helps."
it does.
I know Binners well enough to understand that he wasn’t being serious so didn’t really pay it much heed TBH.
I see. Racism is ok if some people say it, and not ok if other people say it.
You've really covered yourself in glory today.
I see. Racism is ok if some people say it, and not ok if other people say it.
Nope. Racism is okay as long as it’s aimed at the bad gypsies.
There was a delay as we were discussing whether “pikey” was inherently offensive or whether its use was acceptable in describing this particular group of miscreants. Ie, not all travellers are “pikeys” but this lot were.
Well I suppose not all black people are you know, what's that word?
The worst are those bloody hipster travellers with their old time carnival rides and retro arcades. Swanning in to town twice a year and casually spinning those waltzer cars. Bastards the lot of them.
Considering I've been banned a few times and at least one of those occasions for not getting an edit in on time (swear filter never picked something up) the fact binners is essentially sticking two fingers up to everyone who has taken issue with his idiotic post and the mods seem to think it's too much effort to do their job doesn't sit right with me.
Either apply the rules equally or step aside and let someone do the job who will.
Lol. What if it was someone you didn’t know well? What does that approach to moderation look like to a more casual observer?
I don't know him "well," I've just been reading the forum for several years.
I would imagine that this "approach to moderation" would be completely invisible to a casual observer, you wouldn't have known if I hadn't just told you. In any case, if people want to jump to conclusions despite me explicitly saying something to the contrary then that's their outlook, I don't really care.
please do, I was asking for this back when i was banned 7 months ago
I've emailed you.
Something something racism from several quarters
The point I was trying to clarify - because I didn't know the answer - was whether or not "pikey" was viewed as a racist term and generally unacceptable, or whether it was more analogous to something like "chav."