[Closed] Thwaites Brewery invasion!

By the look of that there is actual breaking and entering, criminal damage and possibly theft arrests possible there? Or just too much effort for very little chance of an outcome?

Should have arrested the ****ing lot of them

Poor darlings,  they have human rights too y'know!

They took over the tesco car park in new malden last week, had to close the store at night.  Sadly as they get moved on they are only looking for softer targets.

Scumbags.

Anyone know if there’s some other reason they targeted the Thwaites property???

Because they could?

Just seen the photos on Twitter.  What a set of shitehawks.  I can about understand why they'd want to break into a brewery, but what's the point of just destroying the place in the process?  What've they gained by that, other than conforming to stereotype and reinforcing the public's negative opinion about them?

Don't sit on the fence, Binners, tell us what you really think.

They’re nothing more than a mobile mob of thugs who waltz through life thinking they can do whatever the **** they like, and couldn’t give a toss how it impacts on anybody else

Having had personal and professional experience with them I’d have to say this is pretty much spot on.

They’re nothing more than a mobile mob of thugs who waltz through life knowing they can do whatever the **** they like, and couldn’t give a toss how it impacts on anybody else.

FIFY.

I'm more saddened that Thwaites refers to itself as a craft brewery 🙁

Thwaites Brewery
@ThwaitesBrewery
We're the brewers behind Thwaites Brewery, an innovative craft brewery; brewing distinctive, individual beers and trialling new recipes.

All the scum is floating northwards at the moment. Appleby Horse Fair 7 - 10 June.

http://www.applebyfair.org/

One of those pictures shows what looks like a shotgun blast point-blank through the middle of a window at close range. Why would they do that? Has there been some kind of dispute with the brewery? Perhaps between the brewery and one of its tenants? It also looks as if they have ransacked a bin containing paperwork, perhaps looking for financial or customer information.

By the look of that there is actual breaking and entering, criminal damage and possibly theft arrests possible there? Or just too much effort for very little chance of an outcome?

You would have to identify exactly which people did what. And the only witnesses won't help you. So too much effort for no chance of getting anywhere.

We've just had the Wickham horse fair near us. Funny enough there's been a spate of thefts, not to mention shutting down the village foe a week. And then there's the street brawls (60 year old blokes brawling at 9am on the high street with hundreds watching), racing ponies and traps on the local roads, detritus and destruction.

I do feel for the police to an extent as they are in a no win situation. Try to move in to break things up and they all close ranks, any perpetrators just disappear and no one saw a thing.

I know that everyone says we have to be politically correct etc, but they do seem to be a group within society that gets away with what they like as no-one seems to know what to do to handle them.

I work for an insurers and a large part of my job is dealing with cross-border claims, we have a traveller family that we have tied to over 90 motor accidents, using northern irish vehicles having accidents in the Republic of Ireland and visa-versa, and Police don't want to touch them.

Here in Norfolk, my father in law runs a large chalk and flint quarry, they kept turning up with compressors and other tools clearly marked "USAF" down the side nicked for Lakenheath and Mildenhall airbases, when he refused buying stuff from them, they came back and drained the red diesel tanks, what they couldn't carry they allowed to drain into the ground making it unusable.

Again, the park and ride car park where we park for work, they have rotated through there every few months over the last year, last time when they decided to place security guards on sight, they set fire to the grass and left meaning loads of cars were damaged from smoke damage. We sat and looked at a few of the registrations, 90% of them were uninsured for their Transits.

Why are they simply allowed to get away with it?

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in the case of [Mod edit] I’d happily endorse a more draconian solution.

They’re nothing more than a mobile mob of thugs who waltz through life thinking they can do whatever the **** they like, and couldn’t give a toss how it impacts on anybody else

 they do seem to be a group within society that gets away with what they like

What I think people might do well to remember is that not ALL gypsies / travellers behave in this manner, any more than all Muslim men of ****stani heritage are child rapists and all cyclists ignore red traffic lights.

They've spent an eternity sussing out how to circumvent every legal norm so that now they are, to all intents and purposes, outside the law.

And if any group in society knows this full-well - that in reality there are effectively no consequences to your actions - then I'm sure this would inevitably how they'd end up behaving.

Difficult to see what you can realistically do about it really now they're so far removed from the rest of society, without going full genocidal fascist dictator on them.

Actually, when you think about it.....

What I think people might do well to remember is that not ALL gypsies / travellers behave in this manner

Yeah, right.....

They pitched up at MI5 in Bury a couple of years back.

Gone by morning.

Yeah, right…..

Ah the generalisations, I'm sure all your crayon chewing mates are just like you binners.

I'm guessing, binners, that you probably haven't got to know / work with / socialise with many, maybe any, gypsies / travellers?

That's not a criticism, most of "us" haven't (the "us" being the non-travelling community).

Or you might have, but you didn't know it - being a gypsy / traveller in the workplace is what I imagine being gay was like up until a few years ago - you don't tell anyone, not if you want to still have a job or cordial relationships with colleagues. Dunno what the solution is - maybe they should be made to wear some sort of marking so that you can easily identify them (all the easier to discriminate and stigmatise)

I wonder  why "they" keep themselves to themselves, like?

Maybe the stigma of being labelled as per this thread - the assumption that if you are one of "them" then you share all the worst characteristics that have been observed of any other members of the community?

interesting about that Applebyfair thing- never knew it existed, its quite near me. It explains the several horse drawn carts etc and (LPG/transit powered) caravans I saw yesterday on the back roads out of Lancaster. The traditional caravans are pretty impressive looking, works of art.

The action taken at the brewery was horrific, hope there is some justice for the parties involved.

case of [Mod edit] I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution’.

Got to be blunt here: that's not the sort of comment you should make and expect to get away with. It's racist and offensive.

I am as appalled as everyone else here at what travellers have done to the Thwaites site, but suggesting that all of them should be murdered - especially giving specific context of the Holocaust - is simply wrong and smacks of gross ignorance.

Have a read of this and you might see why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos

Edit: just seen edlongs's posts. Completely agree.  There is an issue with crime in the travelling community, but that problem is down to a combination of police fear, cuts, and apathy.  Suggesting that the entire bunch is murdered is rarely an effective solution.

in the case of [Mod edit] I’d happily endorse a more Hitler-esque ‘solution’.

An estimated quarter of a million gypsies were murdered by the Nazis. That's a quarter of the population alive in Europe at the time. They were taken to concentration camps where they were used for forced labour, gassed, used for 'scientific' experiments, or shot. Tens of thousands never made it as far as the concentration camps.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005219

I don't know if you think you're being funny - maybe 'jokes' like that get a good response at your local - but I don't think that's much of an excuse. My advice is you stop, take a look at what you say and do, and ask yourself if you like what you see.

Got to be blunt here: that’s not the sort of comment you should make and expect to get away with. It’s racist and offensive.

Yet weirdly the report post link is missing from that post which has stayed up for over 2hours now. Post a picture with some swearing on it and its deleted almost instantly along with a ban.

Perhaps they self identified as brewers?

the brewery had to dispose of 1,700 pints

every cloud

[edit - beaten to it by eddie]

I don't judge all travellers the same, but some of them do seem to follow the viz stereotype of being "thieving pikey bastards"

I worked at parcel farce years ago, and some moved in next door. One night, they decided to steal the diesel out of the vehicles, but syphoning it was to hard. So they smashed holes in all of the fuel tanks,and put buckets underneath to catch some of it.

Yet weirdly the report post link is missing from that post which has stayed up for over 2hours now. Post a picture with some swearing on it and its deleted almost instantly along with a ban.

this.

I have to laugh now, I was banned for a WEEK for <span style="text-decoration: underline;">using asterisks in a swearword not even the complete word</span> in a lighthearted post a couple of months ago. Invoke the genocide of millions? nothing.

And what is with the lack of report button on his post?

is it clever, that it's been reported and saves the admins getting multiple reports for the same post?

There was certainly a report button available on that post a little earlier.

Think @theotherjonv may have it...

I predict six pages, and the ban 🔨😁

From past experience I’ve only seen travellers on wasteland and derelict areas.

Yeah 'wasteland' like my local shopping centre, totally blocking access.  Or 'derelict areas' like the local kids cricket pitches which are now ruined as caravans were dragged across them when they were waterlogged.

Come to think of it, they leave places looking like wasteland so maybe you had a point.

I can't agree with binners, but IME* it's hard to find many really adding to society. By this I mean abiding by rules, paying tax etc. Couldn't care less if someone want to live in a caravan, as long as they have a right to be on the land they are on.

*used to know the south Leicestershire crew pretty well, back when Ben Pepper was the local 'king' someone who spent a damn site more on his number plate (BEN 1) than we did on our car. Mind you, he did have his own land. His sons & the other travelers who lived on his site still went out stealing fuel / cars and fighting anyone they could in town however....

Just to untwist some knickers and unruffle some petticoats, I am not seriously advocating genocide.

i was being daft!

If you read my later post, I did say that I didn’t have a bloody clue what you do about it?

Just to untwist some knickers and unruffle some petticoats, I am not seriously advocating genocide.

i was being daft!

Given a couple of previous threads on what the intent behind statements was and people saying inflammatory things then running away from them its probably better to think first.

Isn’t there a whole bunch of Laws covering this type of behaviour?

Pretty sure if it was you or I emitting this behaviour we’d be in some holding cell somewhere..

Just to untwist some knickers and unruffle some petticoats, I am not seriously advocating genocide.

Sexist as well as racist...

What I think people might do well to remember is that not ALL gypsies / travellers behave in this manner, any more than all Muslim men of ****stani heritage are child rapists and all cyclists ignore red traffic lights.

Most Roma, and you might do well to remember that those persecuted by the Nazis, were Roma, loath those of the travelling community who behave like this. I’m pretty certain that the ones who do this are Irish, and the people back home are only too glad to see the back of them. There’s a small group of Roma locally who were on a nice site just outside of Chippenham, then a large number of Irish travellers moved onto the site and conditions went downhill rapidly, until the Roma families were forced out and the bought a small plot alongside the A4 and moved there. At the original site it wasn’t unusual to see a bunch of police vans parked nearby and a helicopter overhead...

Or you might have, but you didn’t know it – being a gypsy / traveller in the workplace is what I imagine being gay was like up until a few years ago

You have pretty poor imagination then. Gay people have always tended to care about other people other than themselves, generally abide by the laws of the land, paid taxes, not lived like foraging animals, not destroyed other people’s property, not robbed the general public, not organised bare knuckle fighting in the streets.

As far as I know anyway.

Sexist as well as racist…

Are you saying men cant wear petticoats and knickers? You’re assuming he meant women. You need to take a long hard look at yourself mate. 😉

Isn’t there a whole bunch of Laws covering this type of behaviour?

Pretty sure if it was you or I emitting this behaviour we’d be in some holding cell somewhere..

Proving who actually commited the crimes would be the main barrier. You couldn't just round them all up and try and convict them. Would never get through court. So the only alternative seems to be moving them on

You couldn’t just round them all up and try and convict them. Would never get through court.

Is there still a law in England where you can get done for the crime by being there and involved with the people who done it? I remember some controversy surrounding it a few years ago as youths were getting done for murder etc when they weren't the ones doing the stabbing or beating etc.

Yeah, I know that but the police just seem to do nothing.

Same as in Wickham near where I live (as mentioned) there is always damage to property and yet nothing is done about it. I know there once was a petition to get it cancelled and the “travellers” said they’d just turn up anyway...

Oddly it’s one of the few sections of society I have little respect for...

Maybe their status comes with diplomatic immunity?

Must be great to have a right old time of it on somebody else's property, cause over 100 grand's worth of damage, then just swan off to do the same somewhere else, with complete impunity.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why people don't welcome them with open arms

To be honest, I know that the police have limited resources to investigate a lot of property damage, theft etc, but this goes way beyond that. They're violently threatening people to effectively evict them from their own property, before setting about their theft and wrecking spree.

If the police can't or won't do anything about that, then they're effectively telling them they can do what they ****ing well like with no comeback.