Forum menu
If people want to mourn that's fine, i'll leave them to it, but why does it have to be forced on the rest of us. I doubt there's many now that aren't aware and they all know where BBC1 is, why does it have to be on all the others as well? And the one that isn't showing it is off the air.
Do you generally feel little if any emotions? I can get emotional just watching the news.
and
Do people mourn other 96 year olds they have never met or spent any time with?
I get emotional watching Repair Shop for chrissakes. I cry like a five-year old with a skinned knee.
The whole thing about "someone you didn't know" - celebrities etc - is kinda flawed. They didn't know you, sure, but absolutely no-one was watching the news today or is reading this thread and going "thequeen who?" We may not know much of her private life but the Queen probably more than anyone else in the country has had her public life so very well documented.
You've seriously, genuinely never been upset when someone famous passes, a favourite actor or musician maybe? I was both shocked and gutted when Taylor Hawkins died recently; sure I wasn't "in mourning" because, well, I didn't know him, but he was amazing to watch and to listen to, now he's gone and that makes me a little sad.
How do you react when someone in 'real life' tells you that they've lost someone that you've never met? There's been a few threads on STW over the years, I won't mention names but we all know who they are. Do you offer condolences do do you leap onto them to post "well, I didn't know her so I don't care"?
Plenty of people don't like the monarchy, and that's both wholly understandable and absolutely fine. But having a whine about it whilst her corpse is still warm is pretty ****ing crass. However privileged they may be, a family including young children has just lost their mother / grandmother / great-grandmother. Give it a couple of weeks at least.
Anyway. It’s good that people who don’t care have taken the time to tell us that they don’t care.
and
Surely you would be less irritated if you didn’t click on threads like this one?
Well said. This I don't get, and it's a semi-regular occurrence both on STW and the wider Internet. You're not interested in something, fine. Intentionally opening a thread that you're not interested in, reading it, then taking time to compose a post telling everyone else how disinterested you are... 🤷♂️ that's just plain weird.
@sweepy Are you not old enough to remember Diana? Be glad you have YouTube
This thread has been started in respect of a woman that, whether you liked the monarchy or not, has served her country, was a mother, grand mother, and great grandmother.
Yet the body is barely cold and we have the usual suspects trying to hijack the thread. If you didn’t like her or don’t care she’s died don’t post on the thread, let alone post repeatedly. The clue is in the thread title
I find it deeply unpleasant tbh. Maybe just for once if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all and let those that do care show their respects
Edit, cougar I hadn’t read your post before I posted mine!
How do you react when someone in ‘real life’ tells you that they’ve lost someone that you’ve never met?
He reads aloud from his book of Jacob Rees-Mogg quotes.
If people want to mourn that’s fine, i’ll leave them to it, but why does it have to be forced on the rest of us. I doubt there’s many now that aren’t aware and they all know where BBC1 is, why does it have to be on all the others as well? And the one that isn’t showing it is off the air.
Kind of agree, but like it or not we live in a monarchy, and the longest reigning monarch that is a fundamental part of British (and commonwealth) culture has just died, and 'The Nation' is paying its respects.
It'll be mainly back to normal in a day or two, a few sporting events have been cancelled tomorrow, maybe at the weekend too. No-one is being forced into 10 days of wearing black and sobbing.
Standard internet behaviour. I think driven by curiosity as to what people are thinking or typing. I open lots of threads on here purely out of boredom. The Queen dying is an odd one though. I feel some empathy for her family, but the rest of the media bollocks is a bit creepy. People dying at 90 odd isn’t sad. It’s quite frankly pretty awesome. Good innings etc.
The Queen died shortly after meeting Liz Truss, who wouldn’t have been PM without Brexit.
Makes you think.
OMG, conspiraloon!
If you didn’t like her or don’t care she’s died don’t post on the thread, let alone post repeatedly. The clue is in the thread title
Quite right. Folk who want to criticise her life, her lifestyle, her sponging off the state and the obsequence on display should start their own thread, where they can share their thoughts without being interrupted by the forelock-tuggers.
If people want to mourn that’s fine, i’ll leave them to it, but why does it have to be forced on the rest of us. I doubt there’s many now that aren’t aware and they all know where BBC1 is, why does it have to be on all the others as well? And the one that isn’t showing it is off the air.
Kind of agree, but like it or not we live in a monarchy, and the longest reigning monarch that is a fundamental part of British (and commonwealth) culture has just died, and ‘The Nation’ is paying its respects.
And what do you expect, two minutes in the "and finally" wrap-up?
No-one's forcing anyone to do anything. Turn the TV off, stop reading threads on STW about it, problem solved, next question. The biggest impact to most people not directly impacted will be an extraordinary bank holiday, which isn't great for some as mentioned previously but will be relished by the majority.
Folk who want to criticise her life, her lifestyle, her sponging off the state and the obsequence on display should start their own thread
Or just wait a couple of weeks.
Radical idea I know, basic human decency.
The clue is in the thread title
Thoughts with the Queen and her family
One of my thoughts is if the remaining monarchy had to sell off the crown jewels to pay their (far from insubstantial) energy bills, who would be the highest bidder and why?
You could have the full ten days flat out, just dont make the rest of us.
it’s the Queen’s funeral. Which will be a national day of mourning. Which although not formally a bank holiday, businesses, shops, etc., may choose to close and other events will be cancelled.
Better not, its a pals wedding.
You could have the full ten days flat out, just dont make the rest of us.
Make the rest of you... what? Watch Netflix?
sweepy
Free Member
You could have the full ten days flat out, just dont make the rest of us.
In fairness, you are jumping into a mourning thread imposing opinions on people that don't really want to hear them, so kinda works both ways.
There is room for more than one thread.
I've zero affinity for the Queen or the Royals, so I'm not coming at it from that perspective, fyi.
Not a fan of the royals either but how about a moment's thought for the passing of a second world war veteran? A 96 year old public servant who was still working two days before she died?
Show a bit of class and respect and if you can't find any then don't post comments trying to be edgy.
Fair enough mate, i'll take myself off to listen to Trevor Nelson like I planned- except I cant can I.
Your right tho, this isn't the place for me, sorry.
Can't we just have 10 days of wall-to-wall, unquestioning deferential yabbering about the death of an elderly aristocrat? Is that really too much to ask? Goodness me.
Now is not the time. And it never is.
Can’t we just have 10 days of wall-to-wall, unquestioning deferential yabbering about the death of an elderly aristocrat?
I don't think it's compulsory.
second world war veteran?
Rubbish
Can’t we just have 10 days of wall-to-wall, unquestioning deferential yabbering about the death of an elderly aristocrat? Is that really too much to ask? Goodness me.
But we aren't. Things will be 'normalish' tomorrow, people will be at work or school, TV will be back on. Some large events may be cancelled briefly out of respect. There will be a suitable period of mourning and events such as books of condolence and lying in state for those that want to observe such things, but it won't be 'forced' on anyone unless you're so vehemently anti monarchy that a something like a shopkeeper putting a flag or a picture of the Queen in their window really offends you. I'm sad if you feel like that but it's your choice to make.
There will be a larger observance on the day of the funeral, which will result in some shops, businesses, etc. closing or working restricted hours.
After 70 years of service, she's been dead 6 hours, yet some make it sound like they've been forced to watch tributes for days on end. I'm laughing at a rerun of QI, myself.
No one takes any notice of this small irtelevant country other than to laugh or pity us
I just got a message of condolence from a Canadian friend.
... for getting lumped with Charles as King.
Quite right. Folk who want to criticise her life, her lifestyle, her sponging off the state and the obsequence on display should start their own thread, where they can share their thoughts without being interrupted by the forelock-tuggers.
You make my point perfectly. Classy response….
After 70 years of service, she’s been dead 6 hours, yet some make it sound like they’ve been forced to watch tributes for days on end.
Hardly trivial. A man might not be able to go to a restaurant, and another man can't listen to Trevor Nelson.
and another man can’t listen to Trevor Nelson.
She didn't die in vain
I just got a message of condolence from a Canadian friend.
… for getting lumped with Charles as King.
You could say the same to them!
TV seems to have gonna a bit North Korea this evening...
TV seems to have gonna a bit North Korea this evening…
That should make some feel quite at home...
Hardly trivial. A man might not be able to go to a restaurant
If that's aimed at me.
We're trying to arrange a birthday celebration / leaving do for my daughter going to Uni. We have limited options due to my family - some are key workers / shift workers, my mum has dialysis for renal failure 3 times a week, etc. We were aiming towards Sat 17th but if my understanding of the London Bridge protocol is right then the funeral will be on D+9, which is that day. And if so then shops and businesses including restaurants MAY be closed. Even if not, the older members of the family will probably feel funny about going out to celebrate on the day of the monarch's funeral. You may consider that odd, I understand both sides.
Someone else then said their understanding was D+10, which is Sun 18th, and so likely the funeral would be the Monday. IDK on what basis they understand that.
I'm not complaining about it, just trying to find out what the situation is, so if there is a clash I can try to find a solution. If it's the Saturday, so be it, I'm not a monarchist but I can respect that 'the Nation' has protocols for events like these.
Quite the feisty lady, especially in the latter years, always smiling, though you got the distinct impressing if that smile became a frown, you were in serious trouble 😆
I'm waiting to see how the Daily Mail, Telegraph and associated flag shaggers instrumentalise this in order to sow furthwr division and root out more traitors.
Personally I am not anti monarchist because as much as I'd like to see a proper democracy established in this country, I fear that those who wrap themselves in the flag and obsequiously tug their furlocks would secretly be glad to see the monarchy abolished so that it could be replaced by a fascist dictatorship.
Careful what you wish for and all that...
Smiling you say? My favourite image. Both now gone. The back story is worth reading too.
Windsor was heaving this evening. I told Henry, but he was more interested in a Labrador. Not really a Corgis man dog.
TV seems to have gonna a bit North Korea this evening…
…wonders how NKTV newslady will report Liz’s passing.
Or di pidgin https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/62844913
“Na her life and her work to be di best of Britain. Dis na di service wey she give.”
👍
Canada (again) showing us what a Prime Minister should look like.
One of my thoughts is if the remaining monarchy had to sell off the crown jewels to pay their (far from insubstantial) energy bills, who would be the highest bidder and why?
They couldn’t. Those belong to the nation. The Royal family have sets of jewellery that are theirs, having been given as gifts from other members of the family, But the Crown Jewels belong to the nation.
Most aren’t that old, there are a few surviving bits, but the really old jewels were either lost or disposed of by Cromwell, I believe, and new regalia had to be created.
You’ve seriously, genuinely never been upset when someone famous passes, a favourite actor or musician maybe?
Nope. I have no emotional connection there
How do you react when someone in ‘real life’ tells you that they’ve lost someone that you’ve never met? There’s been a few threads on STW over the years, I won’t mention names but we all know who they are. Do you offer condolences do do you leap onto them to post “well, I didn’t know her so I don’t care”?
Totally different situation as it involves people i have some connection with. Its also been people dying before thier time in tragic cicumstancrs. If nothing else one feels sad because a friend is sad
Lots of deleted posts this morning
I'm not a royalist at all - quite a long way from it actually, but I find myself very sad having woken up to the news this morning, and reflected on it throughout the day.
I think it's the fact that she has been a constant presence throughout my life.... longer than any of my grandparents were, or indeed my father. Obviously I'm not as upset as I was when they passed, but it's the same kind of feeling on a smaller scale: that someone who was always there (and who felt like they were always going to be), suddenly gone.
I'm with tj here.
Despite the fact she represented a whole load of things I detest, she came across OK through the media. I suspect a lot of that is to do with people projecting particular values on to her. She was never a part of my life other than on coins, stamps, etc, so i've nothing to miss.
Queen Elizabeth was our last link to a lost age of magic and glory, radiating our world with light.
Wasn’t that Dumbledore?
I’m with tj here.
Despite the fact she represented a whole load of things I detest, she came across OK through the media. I suspect a lot of that is to do with people projecting particular values on to her. She was never a part of my life other than on coins, stamps, etc, so i’ve nothing to miss.
Me too, I have sympathy for her family but it doesn't go as far as me being upset or sad.
Lots of deleted posts this morning
Of course there is. STW royalty looked after once again. The irony.
I feel sorry for her kids, grandkids and great grandkids. Mainly because of the media and how much scrutiny they’ll get when just trying to grieve. I remember feeling a bit angry when Harry and William were being filmed in their mothers funeral procession with commentary like it was a sporting event.
I actually like how we get several, varied opinions in threads on STW. If this thread was just for mourning it would come across a bit like a Facebook group or DM comments. There are far worse corners of the Internet than this. Asking or telling people not to comment or open a thread isn’t a good path to go down. Only my opinion of course.
I remember feeling a bit angry when Harry and William were being filmed in their mothers funeral procession with commentary like it was a sporting event.
Very true, but the other side of the coin is that all the pomp and pageantry is their marketing. Did you watch the funeral, if so you are part of that problem.
Shared house at the time. Somebody else was watching it and I had been partaking of Jazz woodbines so couldn’t be arsed moving. So not actively watching it. If it could make a stoned twenty year old feel angry it was definitely a bit wrong.
It was, but at a human level. The fact the funeral was televised, and the pageantry that surrounds royal weddings and funerals in general - that's just part of living in a nation where the monarchy has a large presence. Which we do, like it or not.
My youngest just asked if she could still spend her pocket money as it has a picture of the Queen on it.....
My daughter sort of asked the same (half believed me when I said it was no longer legal tender)
She's 18 and off to Uni in 2 weeks. Thick as a plank in some endearing ways.
Those belong to the nation
Yeah but not ours. Stolen from the colonies.
And again another thread dissolves into incessant bickering.
It's tedious. Folk on here would argue that black is white.
As @cougar said if your not interested why bother to come read 11 pages and then post a reply.
Regardless of if your bothered or not it's a bloody big bit of history that's just occurred.
Your best off back on either the liz or kier threads
if your not interested why bother to come read 11 pages and then post a reply.
Because we need constant reminders of how edgy they are
Do you generally feel little if any emotions? I can get emotional just watching the news
I mourned and cried when my mum died and my dogs. I still cry every so often when I think of my mum. I have no connection to the queen, the royal family or anyone else I don’t actually know. It is almost sycophantic the way people act for people they don’t know just because they are well known. It’s very weird.
Or varied opinions as opposed to an echo chamber. One of the reasons I frequent this place.
I appreciate the range of opinions on all subjects on here. How those opinions are expressed can be a little annoying at times, but it makes me think about my own opinion and look for facts probably more than I would.
There's a certain delicious irony in the intolerance of other people's intolerance at times.
I must admit after last seeing this thread at 11pm I expected to wake up to it being closed. It’s great to have differing opinions. I have found some of the stoic challenges from several people to emotion, and hypocritical posting confusing to the point that I can’t make out whether people really are that distasteful or are deliberately spoiling for an argument.
Whatever happened to not playing the man?
Anyway, looks like details are coming together and we are now at maybe 12 days of mourning with a National Day of Mourning on Monday 19th.
And again another thread dissolves into incessant bickering.
Differing opinions, people are allowed to have them and discuss them, it looks to me (having admittedly not read all the thread) that people are trying quite hard to be respectful of these opinions
It is almost sycophantic the way people act for people they don’t know just because they are well known. It’s very weird.
See, I think it's weird to have no kind of emotional response whatsoever to the death of someone you respected or admired. It's almost sociopathic.
At the other extreme, I still find the mass incontinence over the death of Diana to be utterly baffling.
"what happens next after the queen's death" is most read article on BBC website, make of that what you will..
See, I think it’s weird to have no kind of emotional response whatsoever to the death of someone you respected or admired.
...and even Joe Cocker's going to go one sad day.
“what happens next after the queen’s death” is most read article on BBC website, make of that what you will..
People are just trying to work out when we get a day off, and also when the tv will go back to normal
You’ve seriously, genuinely never been upset when someone famous passes, a favourite actor or musician maybe?
Got to say I’m the same. While I’ve thought, that’s rather sad, that is about it.
It is almost sycophantic the way people act for people they don’t know just because they are well known. It’s very weird.
I doubt anyone here is sat in a black veil, surrounded by candles, curtains drawn and wailing at a portrait of the Queen. They've just expressed their sadness that a figure they've known all their lives has passed. There's a big difference.
Me - I was sad last night. Today I'm off for a long weekend on the Skegvegas coast eating, drinking and having a laugh with friends.
I am pretty indifferent to the news.
A very privileged person lived to 96 and passed away in a luxurious home surrounded by her family and the best medical care available. Not a bad way to go.
I am a republican and hope that this event may allow us to reassess the monarchy's role in the UK. But it won't. We will carry on with this medieval, religious cult. A cult which recently baled out one of it's key members with a £12million pay out to prevent charges of sexual assault and trafficking.
What is quite funny, is the amount of haters for Charles and Camilla, even among the Daily Heil readers. They do not get that he is now their King and Camilla is Queen Consort. Thems the rules!
What I find truly bizarre, is the complete shutdown of radio and TV, as they all try to out mourn each other.
Today I’m off for a long weekend on the Skegvegas coast eating, drinking and having a laugh with friends.
Thoughts and prayers.
… unless you go to Wainfleet for good beer.
I'll set out my position. I neither admired nor cared for the Queen. She held little to no relevance to me and if I'm honest she had a good innings. Of course I recognise that she was a human being and her family will obviously be upset, I hope her passing was painless and dignified as I would for anyone. I'm not a monster, I won't be celebrating her death but I won't be giving it much thought either.
Right now I'm still coming to terms with the loss of someone who was in my 38 years of life in hell of a lot more of a meaningful way last year. I'm not really sure if this would make a difference or not but as its consuming most of my energy that's what I'm focusing on. I dare say others have similar priorities.
On the Scottish question of "feeling closer to the monarch", whit? Because she died on her estate up in rural Aberdeenshire? No. I seriously doubt it. For most of us Aberdeen is as remote as Windsor or Buckingham Palace, or possibly more so as there is half a chance of visiting London. The only people who will care are the usual people who do either because they want to grieve or because they want a day off work to get pissed with the bunting out.
Because we need constant reminders of how edgy they are
Says the man that brought TJs dead partner into the argument. I'd watch where you're chucking those stones.
Thanks Squirrel, sums up my feelings much better than I could.
You’re not interested in something, fine. Intentionally opening a thread that you’re not interested in, reading it, then taking time to compose a post telling everyone else how disinterested you are… 🤷♂️ that’s just plain weird.
You've missed the point. He's not interested in whether the Queen is dead, but he IS very interested in why other people are interested in whether the queen is dead. Thus he posts on the thread to discuss/comment on it.
Me too, I have sympathy for her family but it doesn’t go as far as me being upset or sad.
This. Historically significant event? Sure. Sad event for the family? Absolutely. Effect on me? None, I never knew the lady. I don't get the public outpourings of grief and sadness - if that's how people feel, then fine, I really just don't understand why. I do wonder if it's going get to Diana-esque levels.
And I've just asked MrsIHN if this makes me unfeeling or lacking empathy and she said "Christ no, you cry watching Bake Off"...
Bloody hell. I was just sat here thinking "I wonder when Simon will be along to make a post that I 100% agree with !"
Just remembered I’ve put a simple ‘Sorry, Closed Today’ sign on my door at the office. Everyone will think I’m in mourning! 🤣🤣
Bloody hell. I was just sat here thinking “I wonder when Simon will be along to make a post that I 100% agree with !”
You cry at Bake Off too? *hugs*
When's the funeral? We're gonna get the day off. Gawd bless Mrs Maj, everyone likes a day off work and the hills will be quiet. Wonder if the schools will be closed. That'll scupper my plans for a hike.
It's odd, when I heard the news I had a lump in my throat for 30 seconds yet I've never known her. I guess perhaps it's more an undeniable metric of the passage of time and change stirring some emotion than a particular personal loss. She's always been the Queen. Always. I'm almost 50 and now.... She's gone. Condolences to get family and close friends.
Jekyll, BBC saying funeral probably 10-11 days time, BH, schools closed.
We’re gonna get the day off
I won’t.
I'm a Royalist. I had the privilege to meet several members of the Royal Family whilst serving in the forces. I'm also proud to be a member of the emergency services so my whole working life has had connections to the Queen.
She will be greatly missed, the royal family brings in tourism, they are linked to charities and they give the UK something to have pride in, unlike the muppets in government.
The Royal family is just that, a family. Who doesn't have the odd ball in theirs? The queen did her duty until the very end. And that was what it was to her, a Duty. To the UK. To all of us. Which is more than any political leader could ever claim.
RIP Ma'am. Your duty is done.
How long do we think/guess that Charles will stay? He's been in waiting all his life and probably wants to do a stint, but he's 73 and probably many people think William is ready and a fresh monarchy with a generational change is needed. Then again plenty say no monarchy is needed.
So that's Monday the 19th then.
Come on, keep the schools open! I need this day to mourn and err spend the day in the countryside.
The funeral's an interesting one actually - I've consciously swerved the coverage of all the major royal things since Diana's funeral. But this one, I dunno, part of me thinks I might/should watch from the historical significance angle.