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...or they just aren't needed anymore?
You know, what with him moving houses and changing jobs.
Empty house, and no one else taking on that job...?
Kate and Wills won't be moving in to Clarence House - they've only just moved to a smaller house and simpler lifestyle (losing some of their staff in the process).
And someones going to lose out somewhere. I heard that the Queen's Dresser and Shoe Breaker-in (not shitting you!), are losing their jobs.
...and King Charlie III is cutting the bills already. He could have waited a while though.
So, an empty house...?
No one taking on the King's previous roles...?
...doesn't need much staff.
It's not like they're going to flog it off for flats.
You're not really explaining why the staff are no longer needed... is the house going to be mothballed? Do his roles previous to being made King not still need doing, and supporting?
Because he now has the Buck House staff to do the work. The Clarence House staff aren’t going to be utilised. I notice that the sort of people complaining about these folks being made redundant are also the sort to whinge about the cost of the monarchy.
I agree it is pretty tasteless to act like this immediately, but I don’t disagree with the principle that the cost of the monarchy needs to be reigned* in.
*IGMC
See that big house at the end of The Mall - it's full of staff already. Clarence House is bound to be scaled down, who else is going to live there? And I'm sure he'll take some staff with him.
I don't have detailed answers as I don't work for HRH HR Department. But no business keeps staff in roles that are no longer required.
Watching the 'show' whilst working, and it is a good view in to our past and history.
I am still not convinced shes in that box though
He could have waited a while though.
It is understood legal advice taken by the household required the information to be shared with staff at the earliest opportunity, despite efforts to delay until after the Queen's funeral.
it is a good view in to our past and history.
Pretty impressive and that drummer earned his dinner!
I am still not convinced shes in that box though
Well, if it came to it, there's plenty of places she could hide...
Buckingham Palace, London
Clarence House, London
Kensington Palace, London
Wren House, Kensington Palace, London
St. James's Palace, London
Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire
Palace of Holyroodhouse, Edinburgh
Hillsborough Castle, County Down, Northern Ireland
The Royal Lodge, Windsor, Berkshire
Bagshot Park, Surrey
Thatched House Lodge, Richmond, London
Barnwell Manor, Barnwell, Northamptonshire
Gatcombe Park, Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire
Sandringham House, Norfolk
Balmoral Castle, Aberdeenshire
Craigowan Lodge, Balmoral, Aberdeenshire
Delnadamph Lodge, Balmoral, Aberdeenshire
Highgrove House, Gloucestershire
Birkhall House, Balmoral, Aberdeenshire
Llwynywormwood, Myddfai, Llandovery, Carmarthenshire
Tamarisk, Isles of Scilly
Castle of Mey, Thurso, Caithness
Most of em look fairly comfortable n all...
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/g22573559/royal-family-residences-homes-properties
Thinking of similar National Trust properties, how many staff does it take to keep them all spick n span; e.g. make sure the heating is serviced and working to keep the damp out, keep an eye out for nesting rodents, keep the gardens in good order and sweep away cobwebs to ensure sufficient reverence for Royal visits etc?
EDIT: Assuming they're left empty that is; do we really know what goes on there?
who else is going to live there?
So, again... is the house going to be empty then? Mothballed? Put into new use?
Who takes on the roles that the King must now leave behind, and who supports them?
Does the Royal family now "do less" and require fewer staff? Or do the roles get shuffled, and the staff likewise?
So, again… is the house going to be empty then? Mothballed? Put into new use?
...I'll just pop Charley-boy a text - he's not that busy this afto. Will get back to you! 🤦♂️
What a grotesque and absurd spectacle.
A state cult that promotes the worship of aristocracy.
Thing is, everyone* loved Liz, it seems like Charles is getting a lot of complaints already.
This could have significant implications for the mood of the nation, and that mood can have implications for other things. It'll be an interesting decade or so. However it was up there ^^^ made the point earlier.
* yeah yeah, I know, me neither but you know what I mean.
…I’ll just pop Charley-boy a text
Apologies, I thought you were taking on the role of explaining the redundancy announcements to us for some reason.
what a fantastic spectacle.
the chance for people who loved and liked the queen for what ever reason, getting a chance to pay their last respects to the queen.
a woman who spent the whole of her life putting other people before her. a woman who could not answer back or argue with her attackers and critics. in life or in death.
a woman more important than any other member of royalty ever.
who's importance is not only recognised in her own country, but by the whole world.
a truly majestic woman.
What a grotesque and absurd spectacle.
I struggle to see why people watch stuff on TV that they don't agree with - it's almost as if you want to make yourself angry just so you can moan about it on the internets 🤷🏻♂️
Agree with all that Ton.
Lots of attention paid to people grieving. Which is understandable.
But I've seen no mention of the potential impact on those who don't support the monarchy. And that includes the majority of young people (two-thirds of those under 24).
What are the health and psychological implications of being bombarded for such an extended period with this stuff?
People who are facing lots of issues - inflation, rent, jobs, housing etc who are being given absolutely no voice or platform in the mainstream media.
What does that do to people?
a woman more important than any other member of royalty ever.
Really? I think Henry viii, William the Conqueror, King Alfred and Boudicca, picking a few of the top of my head would have a better claim.
This could have significant implications for the mood of the nation
The changing of the monarch has always had significant implications. You can go all the way back to the bickering that went on when **** took the throne and agreed after much grumbling to share it with Edmund (not Blackadder).
In other news, on the plane back from Canada was chatting to a Canadian woman and her husband who'd come over just to stand in the procession and watch the coffin go past, she struggled to get a hotel room, apparently everywhere is booked.
Didn't realise that would star out: **** is the bloke who tried to stop the tide...
And that includes the majority of young people (two-thirds of those under 24).
What are the health and psychological implications of being bombarded for such an extended period with this stuff?
People who are facing lots of issues – inflation, rent, jobs, housing etc who are being given absolutely no voice or platform in the mainstream media.What does that do to people?
They think they've got it tough. They should try being the Queen, grafting all those years for other people without a thought for herself.
Really? I think Henry viii, William the Conqueror, King Alfred and Boudicca, picking a few of the top of my head would have a better claim
Why limit yourself to Jolly Old England?
Ramses ii.
The Kangxi Emperor.
Peter the Great.
A woman who spent the whole of her life putting other people before her
🤣
Just checking in from a sultry, humid Marseille. Where quite literally nobody, even the few Brits we’ve encountered, gives a flying **** about the Queen, or the monarchy. The French and Germans just think it’s absurd that Britain still clings into such an antiquated anachronism. My wife is just happy she’ll now get an extra bank holiday off, meaning she’s actually taken less leave than before we left. 😀
Vive la Republique!
And that includes the majority of young people (two-thirds of those under 24).
I have 3 daughters aged 20 and 22 - they all love the Monarchy.
What are the health and psychological implications of being bombarded for such an extended period with this stuff?
Possibly very little as not many <24's watch live TV - particuarly the news.
~
Some hugely touching tributes to such a selfless woman...
https://twitter.com/GrieveWatch/status/1570067869664440320
(errr, not that kind of touching 😳)
But I’ve seen no mention of the potential impact on those who don’t support the monarchy. And that includes the majority of young people (two-thirds of those under 24).
But only 1/3 of those under 24 actually oppose the monarchy. The other third don't know. I really don't know why there is this attitude on here of 'now is the time to discuss the future of the monarchy'. Well OK, discuss away. Maybe even have a vote, but given in the population as a whole the pro-monarchists outnumber the antis by about three to one, what exactly do you think is going to happen? Whinge as much as you like, it ain't changing in the foreseeable future.
A state cult that promotes the worship of aristocracy.
I think thats a very overdramatic way of describing the situation in this country.
As I seem to keep saying this week, if you think that getting rid of the monarchy, for all their faults, will solve any of the problems in this country then you are as gullible as all those who thought the same about the EU - and its the same people creating the lies and smokescreens that are conning you.
To all those royalists who appeared to be triggered by any whiff of dissent; do you genuinely feel a sense of loss? Does the death of Elizabeth leave you questioning your own sense of identity? Much is being said about such, including g on this thread, so I’m wondering if it is a fear of the ‘unknown’ without a stable constant as represented by the Queen, that is unsettling some people? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
a woman who spent the whole of her life putting other people before her
Lol no, I think you need to read up on some of the actual heroes of the last 96 years.
and its the same people creating the lies and smokescreens that are conning you.
So Boris was a republican all along? The plot thickens... 🤔
I think his valet(Toothpaste squeezer and bum wiper) will still be in employment
I really don’t know why there is this attitude on here of ‘now is the time to discuss the future of the monarchy’.
Try reading some of the numerous posts regarding such then. The fact is, that the death of Elizabeth has indeed sparked countless debates and arguments, and it appears this is actually quite possibly the very best time to be having such discussions. I certainly don’t think those who want to discuss how to move closer towards actual genuine democracy should have to wait until some others deem it an ‘appropriate’ time. Because we might well be waiting forever…
What are the health and psychological implications of being bombarded for such an extended period with this stuff?
They'll take to their phones I imagine. In the previous case of Brexit bombardment, it would have been nice if they had taken to the Ballot box.
Of course it is a distraction from the serious issues of the day. In a week it will be business as usual, with all the same challenges, trials and tribulations. I don't believe that the monarchy debate is driving supply-side inflation, but you are welcome to prove me wrong.
I think his valet(Toothpaste squeezer and bum wiper) will still be in employment
Did his selfless mother also have the good grace to employ those less fortunate than her?
as a whole the pro-monarchists outnumber the antis by about three to one, what exactly do you think is going to happen?
I feel reasonably confident that King Charles will, given time, manage to do something with those figures.
I am one of those republicans who had some admiration for Mrs Windsor, I have to confess that I think she was quite unique and remarkable.
At the age of 96, on death's door and two days before her final breath, undoubtedly feeling like absolute shit, she got dressed, made her best effort to look presentable, and stood before cameras and the press smiling as she accepted the new UK Prime Minister.
Her devotion to duty is unquestionable imo, a duty which she was born into and had little in the way of choice, and which I have no doubt goes to the very heart of the public's current support for the monarchy. If it had been me I would have stayed in my deathbed and told people to go **** themselves.
King Charles has a very hard act to follow. imo
So here's a question, say we were all I'm rabid agreement that the monarchy should be abolished, then what?
I'm all up for having the discussion. Why not let the republicans have their fantasy hour, it's only fair.
I really don’t know why there is this attitude on here of ‘now is the time to discuss the future of the monarchy’.
As I think binners said earlier in the thread, they're the old school version of the Kardashians.
It's simply time to get rid, really. Or the thing that might actually happen, vastly slim them down. Keep the king and immediate family being paid for with one or two state houses being maintained for tourism. Lose the rest.
I don't for one second think removing the monarchy would fix everything. I think unquestioning deference to a monarchy is just a symptom, not the cause. A symptom of a belief that the "high born" are better and know better and will look after us.
and it appears this is actually quite possibly the very best time to be having such discussions.
The discussion [about whether we should have a monarchy] hasn't stopped since about the late medieval period. Most people when polled about it, seem to want to keep it. I would bet money that in a referendum the republicans would be outnumbered by the monarchists.
I really hope you're all following the CenterParcs Twitter feed ..
https://twitter.com/CenterParcsUK/status/1569630938614603777?t=M4mIQ_dPd9ZT9B8A1RcBNA&s=19
Amongst my favourites...
https://twitter.com/barbarossa69/status/1570020696553824257?t=nOc83mlkVRVmPeaOnE8WVA&s=19
I don’t believe that the monarchy debate is driving supply-side inflation, but you are welcome to prove me wrong.
I was thinking more along the lines of feelings of hopelessness and despair. Of generational resentment and anger.
A response to living in a state that seems to idolise the wealthy and have disdain for the poor.
a woman more important than any other member of royalty ever.
And how exactly does turning the country off for a fortnight help to honour this?
A vote for drastically slim it all down for me. Have a king and their direct off spring in place but that is it. No need for all the land and buildings, that should be given back to the people in one way or another.
Other countries have a Royal family that is much smaller scale.
Of generational resentment and anger.
And the complete sense of powerless that the country is run for older generations, not for them. And that demographics mean that is not likely to change while they are still young.
A vote for drastically slim it all down for me.
Careful there, with your sensible suggestions of modernisation without revolution.
And the complete sense of powerless that the country is run for older generations,
Accurate. I mean look how a bunch of affluent middle-aged white blokes behave on here.
A vote for drastically slim it all down for me.
Hasn't the new King pretty much said that that's what he intends to do?
I think Charles accepts the UK monarchy has to change in 2022+ if it is to survive. How successful he is remains to be seen.
I think Charles accepts the UK monarchy has to change in 2022+ if it is to survive.
I suspect he does. Has he outlined how? Who approves that?
It's been widely reported - and not contradicted - that Charles intends to slim down the monarchy so I take it that means it will happen.
As for any approval required to implement his changes, I can't see he needs any being required.
My 9 year old son complained that Newsroumd is all about the queen, hes worried it will never stop
It does feel like this country has completely lost the plot
was thinking more along the lines of feelings of hopelessness and despair. Of generational resentment and anger….
I’d fix Brexit first, then slim down the monarchy. Because one of those will account for a lot more of those feelings and resentment than the other. We’re a generation away from both, but of course things will change, most likely on both fronts.
What are the health and psychological implications of being bombarded for such an extended period with this stuff?
Compared with the shit they already fill their lives with, probably not too much.
a woman who spent the whole of her life putting other people before her. a woman who could not answer back or argue with her attackers and critics. in life or in death.
a woman more important than any other member of royalty ever.
who’s importance is not only recognised in her own country, but by the whole world.
Utter nonsense 🤦. I'll give you "who could not argue..." but the rest is rubbish.
Accurate. I mean look how a bunch of affluent middle-aged white blokes behave on here.
We’re not all affluent. Check out you with your classist comment. That’s all the Queens fault or Brexit or your mum.
I’ve quite enjoyed the coverage. I Want to see how desperate the media gets for people to interview. They’ll have to top the royal bee keeper
Of generational resentment and anger….
I'll be extremely resentful and angry if my flight on Friday gets cancelled because the noise might wake a dead woman.
"Didn’t realise that would star out: **** is the bloke who tried to stop the tide"
The actual quote from the king whose name cannot be mentioned is:
"Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.”
Poor fella, going from the most frequently mis-quoted to being cancelled by an algorithm....
So here’s a question, say we were all I’m rabid agreement that the monarchy should be abolished, then what?
If that were the case I think they'd pull the pin themselves. If not being a vote winner one or both major parties would put abolish or a referendum in their manifestos.
Accurate. I mean look how a bunch of affluent middle-aged white blokes behave on here.
Council house dwelling benefit scrounging useless non working 50 yr old here, not everyone on this forum is a well paid IT consultant with a Cornish holiday home don’t ya know?
I really don’t know why there is this attitude on here of ‘now is the time to discuss the future of the monarchy’.
Because one just died and the next one has just taken over without a by your leave.
It's 2022 and they MUST go... I personally would prefer they go peacefully as I don't think it bodes well for the new country (which will no longer be a Kingdom) to have the era ushered in with deaths.
The real question for a referendum is what is asked...
Do you wish to Have a system whereby:
a)
Your legal definition is that of a subject inferior in every way to the ruling class
No matter how bad or crazy a leader is they cannot be impeached, deposed or otherwise removed
No matter how objectionable their offspring are they are all legally better than you and one of them will take over regardless
b)
Your legal definition is that of an equal citizen
Anyone in charge can be removed legally
When they retire or their term of office ends they will be replaced by someone who is a citizen
There are "monarchs" in Europe but they can be variously be sacked, are not legally above all others etc. and they are subject to following the laws of their country.
Ernielynch
Hasn’t the new King pretty much said that that’s what he intends to do?
I think you can get a good idea of how he will behave by seeing how he treated his serfs in the Duchy. (Or his ex wife)
He's said lots of stuff but the Duchy has remained firmly a de-facto fiefdom with tenants who are scared to do anything unless he sticks their rent up and subject to random inspections and decision by his Duchy staff?
He said it was a private company, then it wasn't .. then it suddenly is again when it suits.
He claims it was gifted but everyone conveniently lost ALL the paperwork of when it became a source of income
I am one of those republicans who had some admiration for Mrs Windsor, I have to confess that I think she was quite unique and remarkable.
I'd agree that she could have been a LOT worse but that's the whole thing we don't get a choice and the succession is pre determined.
He's older than Andrew or we'd be getting Andrew ... and to be honest I'm not sure which would be worse. There is certainly no reason to believe he hasn't been involved in things as shady and objectionable.. after all Andrews little indiscretions only surfaced due to things that happened in the USA.
Now we have this nutter promoting and using his influence to get the NHS to pay for homeopathy and no way to get rid of him.
"If that were the case I think they’d pull the pin themselves. If not being a vote winner one or both major parties would put abolish or a referendum in their manifestos."
It boils down to this really doesn't it, I can't see how the monarchy will be abolished until someone puts a referendum in their manifesto, you'd need a Corbyn type of government to win a second or third term before that would even be plausible and that far into an administration I doubt even then it would be a vote winner.
Really? I think Henry viii, William the Conqueror, King Alfred and Boudicca, picking a few of the top of my head would have a better claim.
I'd go for Edward 1 & 3 as being the most successful, militarily.
Personal fav is Brian Boru.
Just been watching the queen lookers, with an occasional cut to queue watch for 5 mins. Totally bizarre, not the people choosing to go - the news coverage and commentary. Just astounding some of the bum wash they come out with.
RM.
I was thinking more along the lines of feelings of hopelessness and despair. Of generational resentment and anger.
A response to living in a state that seems to idolise the wealthy and have disdain for the poor.
Checks the USA and France.....nope, getting rid of the monarchy hasn't fixed that. Or racial or gender inequality.
I'm all for a debate, slimming it down, unloading surplus assets. The monarchy has changed hugely in my 53 years, and it will hopefully continue to do so.
It’s simply time to get rid, really. Or the thing that might actually happen, vastly slim them down. Keep the king and immediate family being paid for with one or two state houses being maintained for tourism. Lose the rest.
And a way to get rid of them...they must be able to be impeached/deposed or otherwise got rid of if they misbehave.
And they must legally be liable to and follow the same laws
and most importantly they must be defined as fellow citizens no better or worse than the rest of us
I don’t for one second think removing the monarchy would fix everything. I think unquestioning deference to a monarchy is just a symptom, not the cause. A symptom of a belief that the “high born” are better and know better and will look after us.
I agree but I see the monarchy as a keystone .. it's a shaky bridge but whilst that keystone stays in place the unquestioning deference to our "betters" will remain.
An example that seems trivial... Liz never had a driving license.
She could obviously drive (at least before age took over) so why not just take a bloody test...??
It seems trivial... but it isn't because that unquestioning deference means she never had to.
the news coverage and commentary. Just astounding some of the bum wash they come out with.
aye, Mrs Jovial with the razor wit of Oscar Wilde the comic timing of Tony Hancock and the common touch of Victoria Wood, and at the same time a soon to be canonised socialist saint/women of the people where in reality she was a miserable looking sour puss who'd just eaten a lemon (though that could be her socialist credentials showing having to deal with useless tory pm's).
Liz never had a driving license.
She could obviously drive (at least before age took over) so why not just take a bloody test…??
It seems trivial… but it isn’t because that unquestioning deference means she never had to.
My Aunt never took a driving test either, although she did have a licence. She learned to drive during WW2 in the army so never did a test. In fact I knew of 3 people who did the same.
Oh, make that 4 including the queen.
Did his selfless mother also have the good grace to employ those less fortunate than her?
Surely quite a few were in her employ?
She could obviously drive (at least before age took over) so why not just take a bloody test…??
My dad never took a test. He learned to drive in the army prior to WWII and was "waved through". That was standard procedure. The Queen drove army vehicles during the war so I guess the same applied.
“Didn’t realise that would star out: **** is the bloke who tried to stop the tide”
Did you spell it **** or Canute?
EDIT - I guess we know the answer.
An example that seems trivial… Liz never had a driving license.
She could obviously drive (at least before age took over) so why not just take a bloody test…??
It seems trivial… but it isn’t because that unquestioning deference means she never had to.
I know she used to drive on private estates, but never known of her out and about, plus if she does get caught she has that unique get out of jail card, i.e. the crown cannot prosecute the crown 😂
Agree with the above. Britain does like a good queue. The Youtube video is not so entertaining, mind.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dcms
That’s a good queue right there. Suddenly feel all patriotic. It’s getting dusty in here. God bless you weird people.
They've planned ahead, has a folding queue capacity of 10 miles into Southwark Park. With portaloos and a bag tent drop. The Police on the Long Walk in Windsor told me last night they were expecting campers soon. For Monday. I have never seen so many portaloos in one place.
It’s 2022 and they MUST go… I personally would prefer they go peacefully as I don’t think it bodes well for the new country (which will no longer be a Kingdom) to have the era ushered in with deaths.
Yes. But it's 2022 & this isn't by any stretch of the imagination going to happen.
Its 2022 and we MUST have world peace....
So I really don't know why people are getting quite so worked up about it.
The actual quote from the king
Well, no. There's some stuff from some books that were written a few hundreds of years after the events that "report" that's what he said, What he meant by it, or why he did it, all up for grabs, he may have been showing sycophantic courtiers the limits of kingly powers, or he may have actually thought he could hold back the tide. Who knows. Not you or me, that's fo'shure.
What a grotesque and absurd spectacle.
People are there of their own free will.
A state cult that promotes the worship of aristocracy.
Who or what do you propose the people worship then?
regardless of what the sad deluded anti royal brigade believe and want, truth and reality is that our royal family is and will be always wanted and loved by the masses.
and our country without royalty and our royal history would be absolutely screwed.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
Who or what do you propose the people worship then?
Something that doesn't promote and celebrate inequality.
Something that doesn’t promote and celebrate inequality.
and what is wrong with inequality ?
Something that doesn’t promote and celebrate inequality.
For example?