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Any facts about what the alleged offence is that she has (allegedly) been charged with
According to the Independent :
Police Scotland said a 22-year-old woman had been arrested outside St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh on Sunday “in connection with a breach of the peace”.
“She was charged and was released on an undertaking to appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court at a later date,” a spokesperson added.
The woman was holding a sign reading “f*** imperialism, abolish monarchy”, but the sign is not understood to be the reason for her arrest.
Although jivehoneyjive's 165 treason law sounds far more dramatic and interesting, so I would go with that.
Thanks Ernie - I've been 'doing my own research' and notice that the legendary Jedward twins also tweeted 'abolish the monarchy' on 10th sep, so I'm now tempted to press for that old law to be invoked too.
If the energy crisis continues, everyone will be saying 'abolish the monarchy', so they can live a life of subsidized comfort at HM's pleasure...
(not quite the same as a pleasurable life of subsidized comfort mind 😁)
https://twitter.com/Spacejunc/status/1568037913383866370
the legendary Jedward twins also tweeted ‘abolish the monarchy’ on 10th sep, so I’m now tempted to press for that old law to be invoked too
Were they in Ireland? Being Irish and all. Does the law reach to there?
Couldn't they just send a drone or some such and dispense with all that archaic due process... that said, with all the imperial history that's been dragged up by the former colonies, maybe the optics would be better if our friends on the other side of the pond handled the mission!
Of course, we could still profit what with all the contacts Charles and Andrew have amassed in the industry over the years... might even be a good demo of BAE's new systems, ready to sign a lucrative contract
Time for 007 - Mr Bond, please take out Jedward; with pleasure.
Were they in Ireland? Being Irish and all. Does the law reach to there?
Despite what a lot of you lot think, including some of your politicians, no, it doesn’t. Although to be fair, their comments didn’t go down well with the majority of Irish (as far as I could ascertain from Irish Twitter anyway…). I’d imagine the gratitude for the benefits of empire still runs deep, even generations later. 😀
Too Blood Old - What kind of comment is that you have made this is Singletrack not Truth Social.
I may regret asking this, but WTF is WEF?
I don’t want to know because nothing will beat the image in my head of King Charles being a pro wrestler.
As a white person in the UK , I find it amazing what “others” are allowed to say and have on banners etc And the Police do all then can NOT to arrest them .The Queen stood for Freedom. This is NOt Thailand . People all too quick to be offended these days
So it would seem.
Were they in Ireland? Being Irish and all. Does the law reach to there?
Despite what a lot of you lot think, including some of your politicians, no, it doesn’t
Rhetorical questions, but never mind. 😎
As a white person in the UK , I find it amazing what “others” are allowed to say and have on banners etc And the Police do all then can NOT to arrest them .The Queen stood for Freedom. This is NOt Thailand . People all too quick to be offended these days
So it would seem.
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too bloody old
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As a white person in the UK , I find it amazing what “others” are allowed to say and have on banners etc And the Police do all then can NOT to arrest them .The Queen stood for Freedom. This is NOt Thailand . People all too quick to be offended these days
New member, making pro-Putin remarks on the UKR thread.
Don't feed the troll.
Ha, sweaty Andrew's been heckled in the street. Although I agree with the sentiment, when him and his siblings are marching behind their mother's hearse, it might not be the most appropriate time.
Ha, sweaty Andrew’s been heckled in the street. Although I agree with the sentiment, when him and his siblings are marching behind their mother’s hearse, it might not be the most appropriate time.
I thought he had to withdraw from Public life?
Sweaty nonce should not be there.
Agree he shouldn’t be heckled. Also agree that he shouldn’t be playing a public role. He should pay his respects in private, not be part of any public event or pageantry.
If you see the vid of the heckler & the way he suddenly disappears backwards at high speed you can see why these people get arrested. It’s at least partly for their own safety.
Didn't realise it was illegal to shout things out in the street. Will have to keep an eye on what goes on there. I'm betting he'll be released in the morning without charge.
Didn’t realise it was illegal to shout things out in the street.
Me neither. How has that annoying git with the booming voice who's been shouting outside parliament for years gotten away with it?
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 says it is. Be scared.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-steve-bray
Didn’t realise it was illegal to shout things out in the street
It was discussed very quietly in private, not really something we can protest about any more.
Shouting out 'Sweaty Nonce!' would have been funnier. Then at least there would have been an outside chance the Daily Mail would've printed that as a headline, which would have been amusing. Or even
'Andrew, you're a disgrace!' spat out with sufficient heartfelt venom.
What's the chances that person's gonna end up giving their opinion on mainstream news?! and the tedious rounds of media hmm
Hi hope Paul gave his name as John Smith of 123 Fake Street.
Where did the Royals get all their medals?
Ebay?
Special Christmas crackers?
Where did the Royals get all their medals?
Their mum 😂
Even the ones that were actually earned, which the last time I checked was two.
The jubilee medals are a gift even for those serving. The rest of the paraphernalia are titles related.
Yeah just remember it’s not what you did it’s who you popped out of.
(Acknowledging some of them participated in the military)
Yeah just remember it’s not what you did it’s who you popped out of.
(Acknowledging some of them participated in the military)
It would only be Andrew's South Atlantic Medal and Harry's Afghanistan Medal, that's from the ones alive. The late Prince Philip also earned some of his.
The rest are freebies.
Royal family version of gold stars on the fridge for cleaning room etc.
They're are medal versions of the badges we got at the cubs and brownies.
I got a bronze badge for U-11s athletics at school
Can I wear it to work tomorrow?
Yes you can El, let us know how you get on?!
I got a bronze badge for U-11s athletics at school
Can I wear it to work tomorrow?
Only if you wear it with the most obscene gold aiguillette.
Well, I don't like to talk about it, but I've got a WINNERS medal from the 10 @Kirroughtree 2018*. AND some dinner medals too. Beat THAT horsey faced toff dudes**!
*we won't go into the category and the number of entrants in that category right now.
**Except Anne
Please make it stop, i have a business to run, a life to live and some idle *s in Government need to get a grip on some stuff.
GDP on its arse, growth on its arse, productivity on its arse and the whole *ing country decides to take a long weekend.
Its 2022 not 1722... i am a Republican and i respect everyones right to grieve... but **** me this us tedious.
They’re are medal versions of the badges we got at the cubs and brownies.
Don't know, nor care which group you went Scouting with but all our badges were earned unlike those medals/Scrambled egg.
Picturing Sandwich earning his "storm a machine gun nest" badge
Have we done this yet?
https://twitter.com/20thcenturymarc/status/1569310683140964358?s=46&t=OO9byuT0508pPFEiwRfZXA
What a ridiculous order from the French government. France isn't in mourning over the death of QE2, why would it be?
'This request seems incredible to me,” Mr Galut, a former senior Socialist Party official, said. “I respect the sorrow of our English friends but I will not put up the French flag [at half mast] over the municipal buildings of Bourges.” He said later on France 3 television: “We are a republican country. Why should I pay tribute to a foreign monarch?”
Can we get a separate thread for everyone ragging on the monarchy?
This thread "Thoughts with the Queen and her family" is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy. Despite what most of you say, a lot of people admire and respect the monarchy and are reasonably upset to lose our monarch of 70 years.
Please make it stop, i have a business to run, a life to live and some idle *s in Government need to get a grip on some stuff.
GDP on its arse, growth on its arse, productivity on its arse and the whole *ing country decides to take a long weekend.
Its 2022 not 1722… i am a Republican and i respect everyones right to grieve… but **** me this us tedious.
Very well said @oldmanmtb2
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship.
This thread “Thoughts with the Queen and her family” is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy. Despite what most of you say, a lot of people admire and respect the monarchy and are reasonably upset to lose our monarch of 70 years.
Unfortunately, anyone with that sentiment appears to have been driven away from this thread by now.
I believe in free speech, in the right to protest. The downside is that it allows people with no sensitivity whatsoever to force their views and crass humour on others with no thought or empathy.
allows people with no sensitivity whatsoever to force their views and crass humour on others with no thought or empathy.
Welcome to any vaguely political Singletrack thread. This thread is split between lots of different people to some extent marking the Queens death with a bit of empathy and the other half is the same handful of posters trying to drown out the majority and banging on about freedom of speech being curtailed, which is a little ironic.
This thread “Thoughts with the Queen and her family” is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy. Despite what most of you say, a lot of people admire and respect the monarchy and are reasonably upset to lose our monarch of 70 years.
And people have done that but it has quite naturally lead to a broader debate on the monarchy as a whole, the national response to the death of one (which the vast majority of people in this country have never experienced) and the future role of a monarchy in an increasingly isolated and irrelevant nation.
FWIW, I'm pretty ambivalent about "the monarchy" although I find some of the pageantry and traditions are interesting to watch (and then if you think about them longer, absolutely batshit mental at the same time!).
I kind of admire a lot of what the Queen has done in some ways; it can't be easy doing endless formal parades, meetings, events etc under constant media scrutiny (even if large parts of the media have been bought off to be utterly sycophantic to it all) but at the same time there are certainly wider issues to address especially on a background of cost of living, wealth inequality and so on. The "now isn't an appropriate time for this discussion" crowd sound a bit like the folk in the US who shut down any discussion on gun control in the aftermath of another mass shooting.
"We must mourn and grieve, not discuss reform at this sad time..."
But now, at this stage, the 24/7 news footage and the inane commentary along with the implied "thou shalt mourn!" and the heavy-handed policing of anyone daring to show even the slightest hint of anti-monarchy views is really getting annoying. I can see why there are comparisons to North Korea...
And God only knows what the Government is going to sneak through under cover of this. Liz Truss has really landed a lucky one here. No wonder Boris is so pissed although I like to think the Queen hung on just long enough to get rid of him.
“We must mourn and grieve, not discuss reform at this sad time…”
no one is saying that, I would probably join in a debate on the future of the monarchy….. in another thread! I can’t imagine the mods would close it and tell everyone to post in here.
Next time JHJ starts a topic on Middle Eastern arms sales I might flood the thread with quotes on the obscure and ancient rights of the privy council. I’m assuming it’s as relevant and appropriate as what is happening here
This thread “Thoughts with the Queen and her family” is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy.
I think the key word is 'thoughts'.
People have their own thoughts on this and no one owns the narrative.
GDP on its arse, growth on its arse, productivity on its arse and the whole ****ing country decides to take a long weekend.
So one day won’t make much difference really. Not like we were going to turn it all around on Monday.
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship
Oh dear.
And people have done that but it has quite naturally lead to a broader debate on the monarchy
Nope. It's just descended into a chip throwing contest. Standard STW!
And in STW/internet style, those with balanced views get put off posting amongst all the shouty types.
You therefore end up with a thread that seems to support one argument as the less shouty folk have gone off riding/have something better to do...
Time for a post brekkie ride!
Next time JHJ starts a topic on Middle Eastern arms sales I might flood the thread with quotes on the obscure and ancient rights of the privy council. I’m assuming it’s as relevant and appropriate as what is happening here
Don't sweat it bro, got you covered...
all present remained standing throughout the meeting, as is the custom.
There were many matters to be covered, from specifications of 50p coins celebrating the life of Stephen Hawking, amendments of the charters of a number of universities and societies including the Royal Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, orders preventing further burials in a number of Churchyards across the country, sanctions on Eritrea and even an amendment to the Outer Space act for the Isle of Man!!
But just how is it that this particular meeting of Her Majesty’s Privy Council takes us back over 40 years, to 1976?
I even went so far as to correspond with the Privy Council office to try to get to the bottom of it all...
@jonnyboi FFS look what you've done now! I hope you're pleased with yourself 🙄
You therefore end up with a thread that seems to support one argument as the less shouty folk have gone off riding/have something better to do…
Inability to have a strong opinion about something whilst still maintaining respect and tolerance towards people with a different opinion appears to be the main problem imo.
They seem to see it in the religious context of "good and evil". Their own opinion is obviously "good" therefore the opposite opinion is evil which means that it deserves no respect.
Their own opinion is obviously “good” therefore the opposite opinion is evil which means that it deserves no respect.
Is that not par for the course on any subject of discourse in 2022? It's certainly rampant on social media (twitter being the shining example) and in any of the chat/political threads here.
The days of nuanced and balanced conversation in almost anything other than rare physical spaces are dying a hollywood ragdoll death,
This thread “Thoughts with the Queen and her family” is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy.
Nope, despite the thread title (which isn't a good one), this thread has basically become the Monarchy thread. It doesn't make sense to have two threads, one for, and one against, because then you get no discussion and a classic social media bubble of everyone agreeing with each other. I really don't understand the trend on here for wanting to shut down discussion or disagreement.
Besides, we've been force fed days of this sycophantic deferential pantomime on every other channel or platform and have days more to come so I'm not apologising for posting the odd random comment on here. I could say a lot more but there's no real point at the moment when the vast majority are in mindless obedient drone mode.
This request seems incredible to me,” Mr Galut, a former senior Socialist Party official, said. “I respect the sorrow of our English friends but I will not put up the French flag [at half mast] over the municipal buildings of Bourges.” He said later on France 3 television: “We are a republican country. Why should I pay tribute to a foreign monarch?”
To be fair to him, i've had to go to Bourges a few times and it's miserable enough without adding any more 😂
I really don’t understand the trend on here for wanting to shut down discussion or disagreement.
No I don't either. I got a right load of stick a day or two ago when I pointed out that millions of people are sadden by Mrs Windsor's death.
Apparently that made me a forelock-tugging sycophant. The correct revolutionary position, I believe, is to claim that no one is in the least bit sad.
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
It doesn’t make sense to have two threads,
Odd - it totally does to me. I'm a republican but I have no issue with untangling my thoughts about a significant national event (her death and funeral) and a broader discussion about the future of the monarchy and commonwealth and the pros/cons of becoming a republic. In fact I'd go so far as to say I'd be more comfortable to separate it into two threads - but maybe that's because I think I'm a relatively sophisticated person with high levels of empathy towards those who think differently to me about something they find profoundly sad. Also.....as someone prepared to play the long game,..... being an opinionated dick on a thread about a much respected elderly person dying is no way to win the republican argument. I know - age and maturity does strange things to your ability to debate well!
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
I saw a meme about this the other day. For people who like to shout about freedom of speech, cancel culture, snowflakes etc, the right wing get extremely upset when they disagree with other people's FoS and in fact they're the biggest snowflakes of the lot.
Like poppy-wearing...
Thou ist not in black, thy traitorous unmourner! Thou hast not shown sufficient deference!
oldmanmtb2
Its 2022 not 1722… i am a Republican and i respect everyones right to grieve… but **** me this us tedious.
I'm grieving that we missed the chance of a peaceful abolition of the monarchy... not to mention that nut job being put in place.
... and quite frankly there is a whole load of virtue signalling going on around this.
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship.
It’ll be barmy I’m sure, even more than for that bike race recently. Never seen as many cops where there’s no crime scene. (apart from when that other French bike race was here).
I’m grieving that we missed the chance of a peaceful abolition of the monarchy
Is that the royal ‘we’?
I still see the passing of the Queen as a loss to be marked. Respectfully.
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Hard not to notice that Prince Andrew is apparently going to be back in uniform and full regalia, and have a view on that. Keep it to yourself?
Hard not to hear all the calls of "God Save the King" sound like a step towards the past. The distance past. Keep that thought to yourself?
Hard not to notice phrases like "rule" and "power" being used to positively report on our new Monarch... and think that's out of place if the role really is now non-political. Don't mention it?
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don't agree with them... shouldn't it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
Hard not to notice that the new PM intends to use this period to get her face out there with a tour of the nations with the new Monarch. Only mention that once it's over?
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
I’m actually on the fence over it. And would be fine with an appropriate debate on it. My issue is that this thread has been hijacked by some pretty boorish behaviour by a few
As for ad hominems, if true but not limited to one side it seems!
I could say a lot more but there’s no real point at the moment when the vast majority are in mindless obedient drone mode.
This subject got plenty of airtime on R5L earlier. Plenty of ‘dissent’ shown without censor. You just wouldn’t shoe horn it in to the middle of the funeral March would you?
Odd – it totally does to me. I’m a republican but I have no issue with untangling my thoughts about a significant national event (her death and funeral) and a broader discussion about the future of the monarchy and commonwealth and the pros/cons of becoming a republic. In fact I’d go so far as to say I’d be more comfortable to separate it into two threads – but maybe that’s because I think I’m a relatively sophisticated person with high levels of empathy towards those who think differently to me about something they find profoundly sad. Also…..as someone prepared to play the long game,….. being an opinionated dick on a thread about a much respected elderly person dying is no way to win the republican argument. I know – age and maturity does strange things to your ability to debate well!
@Convert sums it up pretty well for me
In before the thread goes very downhill.
I agree with Kelvin 100%
Third post in, sadly right on the money ☹
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship.
Several years too late with this.....
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don’t agree with them… shouldn’t it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
If they're having to arrest us now to ensure we carry on loving the Royal Family, then I think their days are numbered.
It's obvious that negativity has caused a great deal of distress for people dealing with grief.
The only sensible option is to remove any negative messages. I should think this will need collaboration between some of the prominent royalist contributors and the moderators to determine the offending posts.
I suggest no future threads about the monarchy are permitted without prior agreement with the moderation team. What we can't have is people in grief innocently clicking on links and being exposed to negative thoughts concerning the monarchy.
I suggest that when any future monarchy-related threads are approved they should carry a warning that they may contain content that a royalist may find disturbing.
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don’t agree with them… shouldn’t it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
No different to someone going to a Pride event with an offensive banner being arrested or moved on.
The right not to be offended is suddenly not working in the way people wanted. Or is it OK to offend one section of society and not another?
Maybe the royalists and the republicans could settle their differences in a matter suitably befitting the era in which the argument should have been settled...
The rest of us could cheer on the bloodbath while waving heraldic flags or copies of Socialist Worker, depending on your leanings
I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a toss either way' camp (despite being a bit miffed about the cancelled footy - it was Man Yoo v Leeds this weekend).
Lets face it, at the end of the day they were just an olden day dress rehearsal for the Kardashians
As things worth getting worked up about go... meh... it'll all be done and dusted in a week or so and I can get back to ignoring them again and just enjoy a nice day off on Monday. Weather forecast doesn't look bad
No different to someone going to a Pride event with an offensive banner being arrested or moved on.
How is a sign saying "not my king" offensive? I would consider that very different to rocking up at a pride event with a sign stating "gays are bad" (I don't think I would be moved on from a pride event for holding up a placard saying "not my boyfriend"). Also royalty lead a very privileged life, they have a position of great wealth, influence and power, whereas the gay community are still routinely persecuted in everyday life.
I think your comparison, at best, lacks perspective.
I find it really hard to emote over the death of someone I've never met & had precious little influence on my life. It's sad when anyone loses a loved one & my sympathies will always be there for those who want them, but Her Maj? Like I said never met her, never will now so I really don't feel a thing. More upset when Bowie died TBH..
Nothing will ever have the same huge impact as the sad passing of Joe Cocker
Joe Cocker's DEAD!?
NOT MY SINGER!
esselgruntfuttock
Is that the royal ‘we’?
No at all, most and even the overwhelming majority of republicans would much rather see the monarchy deposed peacefully and without bloodshed.
It's 2022 ... a natural death of a last monarch and subsequent election of a head of state would have been one way of achieving this peacefully that has now slipped.
Ultimately, many seem to be mourning the passage of time...
One things for sure, change is coming in one form or another
I find it really hard to emote over the death of someone I’ve never met & had precious little influence on my life. It’s sad when anyone loses a loved one & my sympathies will always be there for those who want them, but Her Maj? Like I said never met her, never will now so I really don’t feel a thing. More upset when Bowie died TBH..
But does your lack of gaf (I'm not too dissimilar) also mean you are unable to appreciate others might feel differently? This seems to be the issue for some. You (and I) might not be too impacted by this but plenty are. I guess it's similar to being an atheist wandering around Vatican City just after the pope has died. You might not really get it, but you hope you'd have the humility not to point and laugh at all the sad people. And it's probably not the right moment to make your 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' joke.
And
Ultimately, many seem to be mourning the passage of time…
Heaven preserve us, The Honey Monster has said something I both understand and agree with!