[Closed] Those photos of Jon Venables....

This will not end well

He's clearly still a disturbed individual.

The demonisation and subsequent witch hunt does raise questions about the mental stability of those doing it though.

If you've not seen it, then its worth watching [url= http://www.channel4.com/programmes/boy-a ]Boy A[/url]. Based on the book, It covers this subject sensitively and intelligently.

Those people baying for blood are the ones who were firebombing the houses of pediatricians a few years back.

I do question the wisdom of letting him out, and the risk of re-offending.
But re the general public being angry about it - some people just like the excuse to be angry...

Venables, now 30, had his parole revoked in 2010 and was jailed for two years after admitting downloading and distributing indecent images of children.

So he's not what you'd call a fully reformed character. Surely there's a case for him to be taken into protective custody, removed from the community at large, for everybody's ( including his own) sake?

Cheers binners, I'll have a watch.

The thing I find most odd, is that people don't talk about wanting to hunt down and kill even the most prolific serial killers, yet the mere mention of the Bulger murder sends people into a crazed state.

I know emotions run higher when a child is involved, but the hysteria surrounding this particular case seems to be unprecedented?

Those people baying for blood are the ones who were firebombing the houses of pediatricians a few years back.

One has to wonder about such people who are quick to attack anything in such a manner, whether they themselves may have things they want to keep hidden, and that the inner conflict they suffer as a result, manifests itself in overt aggression and violence. The 'peadophiles' etc simply become a conduit through which they can channel their inner rage, and in some way be vindicated/justified in being who they are.

Just a thought.

The thing I find most odd, is that people don't talk about wanting to hunt down and kill even the most prolific serial killers

I would hazard a guess that there are two reasons for this, please correct me if I'm wrong:

1.Those identified as prolific serial killers are behind bars and unlikely to be let out.

2.People don't fancy their chances against prolific serial killers...

[i]I know emotions run higher when a child is involved, but the hysteria surrounding this particular case seems to be unprecedented[/i]

Yeah, but then we look at your choice of user name and wonder why you think its funny to have a user name which when spoken, sounds like pedofile.

Tough one but I am not on the side of the braying idiots that's for sure.

Same re Hyndley etc, though Brady seems pretty despicable.

Yeah, but then we look at your choice of user name and wonder why you think its funny to have a user name which when spoken, sounds like pedofile.

Who said I thought it was funny?

[i]Who said I thought it was funny? [/i]

what did you think?

[i]Who said I thought it was funny?[/i]

I think its in poor taste and normally I avoid reading anything you post.
I am offended that you think its acceptable to have such a user name.

EDIT:
I'm logging out.

Still dont understand why people think being criminally responsible at the age of 10 to the point of warranting handing out life/death sentences to a child is okay in a civilized society.

If the uk public had got their way they would have been strung up on cranes iran style when they were kids.

Umm isnt peter File his actual name? Have you considered that?

I think its in poor taste and normally I avoid reading anything you post.

Seriously?

Poor taste perhaps, but shielding yourself from it?

It's from a scene from the IT crowd which I thought was pretty funny. I don't think paedophiles are funny, but I do think plays on words can be.

Lol

[i]Have you considered that? [/i]

yes, although both his stw profile and blog he links to from it would tend to strongly suggest it isn't.

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[i]Who said I thought it was funny? [/i]
[i]It's from a scene from the IT crowd which I thought was pretty funny.[/i]

errm. You?

If my last name was File I'd start my user name with [i]Bastard[/i]

I think its in poor taste and normally I avoid reading anything you post.
I am offended that you think its acceptable to have such a user name.

EDIT:
I'm logging out.

Flounce alert!

I'm more offended that he thinks The IT Crowd is funny 😉

I think its in poor taste and normally I avoid reading anything you post.
I am offended that you think its acceptable to have such a user name.

EDIT:
I'm logging out because I hurt myself falling off such a high horse.

Scrap that - I'd just go by the name of Bastard...

I avoid reading anything you post

To be fair, I avoid reading what he posts too, I'm normally too busy looking at the pictures 😉

Uh? What's happening here? Has peterfile done something bad?

teasel - Member

Scrap that - I'd just go by the name of Bastard...

Alan Teasel-B'stard
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I was pretty messed up as a 10 year old.

I remember fantasizing about hurting other children.

It wasn't my fault. I had to put up with stuff that kids just shouldn't have to put up with.

I did some pretty bad stuff in response. I put a kid in hospital with a fractured jaw when I was 11. I remember taking a knife to school and threatening someone with it.

I didn't do anything remotely as bad as Venables and Thomson; maybe I never would have and that's the difference between them and me.

I don't know what any of that means, but I cannot bring myself to completely condemn the 10 year old boys that did what they did because they were just 10 year old boys.

[i]Has peterfile done something bad? [/i]

been asked to justify having a username that sounds like paedophile when spoken.

It's ok, he isn't really one - turns out it's a joke.

I can't be bothered finding the link, but there was a similar case in Sweden at about the same time. Difference was that everyone was shocked of course, but also understood that the perpetrator was a child. The child got extensive help, psychological treatment and counselling, and the story wasn't a media circus.

This country, and this country's media, has an obsession with "feral children" which really isn't accurate or helpful.

Oh, and I got the IT Crowd reference right away - sad or what?

Has peterfile done something bad?

No... Solo just went all paedofinder general on him 🙂

I didn't do anything remotely as bad as Venables and Thomson; maybe I never would have and that's the difference between them and me.

or maybe being fortunate enough not to meet someone who encouraged you is the difference. I was pretty mental as a kid, hospitalised a couple of others and was banned from the playground for a wile as a result. Sometimes I wonder how far away from complete psycho I might have been

Reminds me of the 'Eddie Hitler' character in 'Bottom'.

Inappropriate? Probably. Insensitive? Definitely. Funny? **** yeah!

or maybe being fortunate enough not to meet someone who encouraged you is the difference

Maybe. It got so bad in the end I was sent to see a 'specialist' but that was pretty far down the line; the problems had already been going on for five years before anyone accepted what was happening.

Oh and the psycho remark. Quite. There's a lot more to that comment for me than just a quip.

I don't understand.
I'm logging out.
Well, I might shut down the browser tab, but I won't actually log out, cos that would be a pain next time I come back I'd have to log in and how inconvenient would that be?
Actually I'm not even closing the browser tab, cos there's another thread I'm interested in, so I'll click on that one. Yes.

The thing I find most odd, is that people don't talk about wanting to hunt down and kill even the most prolific serial killers, yet the mere mention of the Bulger murder sends people into a crazed state.

The most prolific serial killers tend to be locked up for life and have their eyes gouged out, necks hacked at with medium sharp instruments, etc.

Venables tortured and murdered a toddler, went to jail, came out and is now a convicted pusher of paedophilia.

Does that help to shed light on the difference between the two?

Doing what he did so young was terrible but he deserved a second chance, now he's had his second chance and it comes to light he's a [s]peter[/s]paedofile, I think it's safe to say he is always going to be a deviant, disturbed individual and a danger to others.

I just avoid reading anything peterfile says cos he's fullasheet. 🙂

(I did once have a pop at him for his username ages ago but having had RealLife(tm) dealings with him, he's actually a really sound bloke. Perhaps I was having a handwringing day at the time.)

I've never quiet understood why more anger hasn't been directed towards the abandoning parent of poor James (he could equally have been injured by broken glass in the store, electrocuted on a faulty ride, fallen over and hurt his head), and the parents that made those children the monsters they were.

Also, not sure why the authorities and media didn't ignore the photos, instead of broadcasting that they ere out there. Ignoring them would have given the impression they were fake.

I can never understand why when anything bad happens in Liverpool the fallout, recriminations and wailing goes on for years and years and years.

Anywhere else in the country the fuss dies down in a few weeks.

Is it because the word "victim" suits the scouse accent so well?

This aint going to end well...5....4....3...

Looks like I got here just in time for the, erm....Well. You know, that thing that happens to these threads.

You are Boris Johnson and I claim my 5 English pounds! La

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Wow big John wonders why this event has bad such an impact on acom.unity and has a pop at scousers for this. it seems the issue is on the internet and not just in Liverpool. I doubt child killers killing children blows over in a few weeks anywhere and a fairly offensive and insensitive post
the original event made me despair for humanity and this thread has dome nothing to make me feel more optimistic. Personally I would not use a play on peadofile for my log on for reasons that dont need stating

Unbelievable. 🙁

TuckerUK - Member
I've never quiet understood why more anger hasn't been directed towards the abandoning parent of poor James (he could equally have been injured by broken glass in the store, electrocuted on a faulty ride, fallen over and hurt his head), and the parents that made those children the monsters they were.

Nah, you can't be for real...

trolls unlimited on here.....

Such an awful and terribly sad event on so many levels.
No good will ever come out of it.
Nobody wins.
Not the child murdered
Not the child killers
Not the parents of the murdered child
Not the parents of the killers.
Would giving John Venables to the baying mob change anything? Really?
No. There is no god.

😯

On the subject, Will Self brought up a good point on Question Time a couple of years ago. About 8 and a half mins in.

I grew up and lived near there when the incident took place. It was harrowing and upsetting and for those that dont know it wasnt "just" the fact that Jamie was murdered but the way it happened.
It torments many people who remember being "close" (in the sense of being part of the wider but local community)
I dont bay for anybodies blood but as a parent its disturbing to recall both what the child suffered as well as the destroyed lives of the children who committed the act.

A shame but typical that morons like to trot out the same regional stereotypes.

thanks DD. You were nowhere near as deadly as I thought you would be either 🙂

[i]been asked to justify having a username that sounds like paedophile when spoken.

It's ok, he isn't really one - turns out it's a joke. [/i]

He could be doing it to trick us.

Like Kevin Webster shaving his moustache off.

rudebwoy - Member
trolls unlimited on here....

Amen

As a parent of 2 and an uncle of children with ages of the victim and killers it makes my mind boggle. There will always be exception to any rule as such but i'm not convinced the concept of killing or the mechanics of it will ever be in the head of a ten year old. I'm sure there was intent to hurt or scare (i don't know every detail of it) but not much more. Maybe its how he/they were treated. The two lads needed to be punished that goes without saying but they also needed more help than i'm aware/think they got. I think its very sad all round. The criminal responsibility should depend on the age of the child committing it and amount of understanding expected for that age.

Should we look at what is taught or not as well and how much lies at the feet of the parent/guardian.

Yes i know some kids are evil little buggers even with the best parent/environment.

Lynching someone will never make it better (maybe for a fleeting moment). He has destroyed his own life forever. Isn't that what we would want. If he is still a danger then lock him up.

On a lighter note.... "peterfile" i do find amusing.

Is there any proof that the photo's are of Venables? Wouldn't be the first time the wrong person got fingered...

Had some inside knowledge of the injuries dished out by these two.
In my opinion, shoud never be released

Is there any proof that the photo's are of Venables? Wouldn't be the first time the wrong person got fingered...

Good point and I'm annoyed at myself for not questioning that when I first saw it. Imagine if you happen to look like the bloke in the photo, dread to think what could happen.

There will always be exception to any rule as such but i'm not convinced the concept of killing or the mechanics of it will ever be in the head of a ten year old. I'm sure there was intent to hurt or scare (i don't know every detail of it) but not much more. Maybe its how he/they were treated. The two lads needed to be punished that goes without saying but they also needed more help than i'm aware/think they got. I think its very sad all round. The criminal responsibility should depend on the age of the child committing it and amount of understanding expected for that age.

Haven't read the whole thread so I dunno if it's been mentioned, but in Sweden they have a different (more civilised) approach to children who kill.

A boy aged 10 has confessed to strangling a four-year-old boy with a skipping rope in a case that has shocked a rural town..............
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Ing-Marie Bystrom, the head of social welfare in Ljungby, who now has care of the boy, said he would not be punished.

"The role of social services is not to punish. It is to provide care and treatment and we will now make use of child psychiatry," she told a Swedish newspaper.

"We have already started working around the clock on care and treatment," she added. "This is an extremely tragic and fortunately rare event."

"Children can be cruel to each other, but not evil," Margit Ekenberg, a child psychologist, said.

Officials said the boy had been taken into custody with his family. "The whole family has been moved, along with the boy, to a secret location," said Carina Karlund, spokesman for the social services department in Ljungby municipality. "They are getting 24-hourtreatment to help them deal with the things that have happened. It's important that the parents cooperate in these kind of cases."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/8957837/Sweden-strangling-10-year-old-boy-confesses-to-killing-four-year-old.html

Had some inside knowledge of the injuries dished out by these two.
In my opinion, shoud never be released

the courts clearly disagree with you

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i work with the odd paedophile, my mum was regularly raped by one for years when she was a kid.... yet i'll still read what Peterfile writes on the forum.

saying that, if it turns out peterfile has paedo glasses or a moustache. i'm going to report everything he types.

the courts clearly disagree with you

The courts were wrong.

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The courts were wrong.

Oh, you're an expert in the law and child psychology/criminology?

saying that, if it turns out peterfile has paedo glasses or a moustache. i'm going to report everything he types.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/pedo.cgi

The saddest thing about the case is the number of people who had an opportunity to help him but for whatever reason didnt.

I'm not a robot with a comically shaped head, in case you were wondering. I suspect easygirl isn't, etc etc.

What an idiotic assumption re PF. I'm starting to think I'll go back to BikeMagic seeing as the sanity level in here seems to have fallen lower than BM of late....

[i]I'm not a robot with a comically shaped head[/i]

1 out of 2's not bad though 😉

I'm not a robot with a comically shaped head, in case you were wondering. I suspect easygirl isn't, etc etc.
What an idiotic assumption re PF. I'm starting to think I'll go back to BikeMagic seeing as the sanity level in here seems to have fallen lower than BM of late....

I think you might need to read it again and see what the [b]actual[/b] criticism of the username was, rather than what you imagined it was.

The courts were wrong.

Have you ever entertained the notion that it might in fact be [i]you[/i] who is wrong?

In my opinion, shoud never be released

I don't really see how the permanent incarceration of someone who is quite clearly severely mentally disturbed serves greater society. I think it would be more constructive to make every attempt to help treat this person, and to try to get them to integrate back into 'normal' society, in order that we may, as Humanity, all learn something that could help prevent such things occurring again. Treating someone who has committed inhumane acts, inhumanely, makes society itself inhumane.

Have you ever entertained the notion that it might in fact be you who is wrong?

Not really pal - venables has come out and entered straight back in to a life involving (amongst other things)paedophilia - On that basis the courts/system were wrong.

Treating someone who has committed inhumane acts, inhumanely, makes society itself inhumane.

Change the record FFS. It's alright having a lovely fluffy system based upon a "civilised society" as long as everyone in that society buys in to the same notion and agrees to bound by it's "civilised ways". I also accept there are going to be exceptions and that these should be dealt with in an exceptional way.

I take it you don't have kids of your own?

thx1138, I think you are trying to discuss the relative merits of rehabilitation with someone who thinks "justice" is the solution to crime.

I tend to lean towards the view that 10 year olds should not be locked up in a civilised country.

However I do believe that the event described in the link below could have been avoided because a mature civilised country would have the balls to hang adults who abuse and murder children.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-prisoners-held-after-child-torturer-killed-in-cell-8496795.html ][/url]

Not really pal - venables has come out and entered straight back in to a life involving (amongst other things)paedophilia

Care to voice your thoughts as to why that has happened? Do you not think it possible that Venables, already an extremely mentally disturbed child, was further brutalised by his time in custody, and that this has had a even greater detrimental effect on his mental state?

On that basis the courts/system were wrong.

Venables, although guilty of some extremely serious offences, has not murdered again. So could there be an argument, following your logic, that the courts/system have in fact been proven right?

Change the record FFS

Why, because it makes a different sound to yours?

It's alright having a lovely fluffy system based upon a "civilised society" as long as everyone in that society buys in to the same notion and agrees to bound by it's "civilised ways"

This supposes that all actors in such a society are of a pre-determined/agreed mental state; a consensual notion of 'normality'. Jon Venables was clearly, by this form of definition, not 'normal'. So, how should 'abnormality' be treated? By incarceration?

I take it you don't have kids of your own?

And what exactly does that have to do with this discussion? Are only parents entitled to an opinion?

thx1138, I think you are trying to discuss the relative merits of rehabilitation with someone who thinks "justice" is the solution to crime.

I think all sides of a debate should be heard, in order that we as a society become better informed and enlightened.

However I do believe that the event described in the link below could have been avoided because a mature civilised country would have the balls to hang adults who abuse and murder children.

I think all sides of a debate should be heard, in order that we as a society become better informed and enlightened.

I don't think anyone's opinion should be heard that differs from mine. That's the way to truly enlightened society. The sooner everyone just accepts this, the better

I don't think anyone's opinion should be heard that differs from mine. That's the way to truly enlightened society. The sooner everyone just accepts this, the better

This is so wrong.

It's my opinion that should be heard, not yours.

I don't think anyone's opinion should be heard that differs from mine. That's the way to truly enlightened society. The sooner everyone just accepts this, the better

😆

No kids eh 'thx'... Just as I thought. I've made my views clear, or as clear as am gonna do for now.

Now why don't you go give venables a cuddle, I reckon you'd be good together. 😉

No kids eh 'thx'... Just as I thought

Again; what has having/not having kids got to do with this at all?

See if you can answer that. I'm off for the weekend. I'll see how you got on, next week. Don't be afraid to show your working out, and use another piece of paper if you need to. Have fun.