[Closed] Those 5 Officers badly bitten in ELondon

No idea what went on there but my German Shepherd would certainly attack someone if they beat the door down and came charging in

Fred ?

C'mon - he might be a bit radio rental but I doubt he'd bite a policeman.

Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance.

If the police are doing a raid on a property and are so stupid that they haven't considered that there may be a dog in there, then maybe it's for their own good that they get bitten.
Not exactly astro-physics is it?
What about int? Time spent on a recce is seldom wasted.

wrecker - Member
Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance.

If the police are doing a raid on a property and are so stupid that they haven't considered that there may be a dog in there, then maybe it's for their own good that they get bitten.
Not exactly astro-physics is it?
What about int? Time spent on a recce is seldom wasted.

Harsh words but true. The Supervising Officer should have known this intelligence.

I think you'll find that that is why when they carry out a raid they go in suited and booted with helmets, body armour, stab proof and flame proof kit and what have you. The fact that the dog has seriously injured 4 out of 5 even then really underlines the horror of what must have gone on.

Doesn't bear thinking about what might have gone on at the local park had the scrote taken it out for a dump there.

then maybe it's for their own good that they get bitten.

too harsh.
the dog sounds extra mental. maybe they didn't have time to plan? maybe they couldn't get a dog handler in time?

Wrecker that is too far.

Is it a cruel case of Karma - apparently the dog attacked someone in April , he reported it, and they took no action.

So they should have known that the dog was there, at least.

When my sister first started in the police one of the other new officers went out with the Sargeant on patrol.

They tried to arrest a bloke who had a pitbull with him as he was wanted on warrant. Bloke set the dog on them and once it had a hold on the new officers arm kept shouting encouragement at it as the sargeant tried to get it off and then he piled in as well.

In the end the sargeant had to knock the bloke out with his truncheon and kill the dog by pinning it to the ground whilst it was still hanging onto the womans arm and then stabbing it in the eye repeatedly with a biro.

the officer who was bittens career ended as her arm got infected and she had to have a sigfnificant amount of muscle removed.

wwaswas - Jesus wept.

I thought they took fire extinguishers with them in case of dogs?
Did someone forget it?
Doh.

it sounds like the dog was under control and not an issue, until they handcuffed the suspect. They should have known there was a (possibly dangerous) dog there, and a dog handler should have been there to restrain it instantly IMO

I'm surprised they didn't use a two shield system to block the entrance and force the dog against a wall until a collar is put on it.

I'm guessing this was a drugs raid and they didn't want the person inside to have chance to flush the drugs or they didn't think the dog was that aggressive.

I think you'll find that that is why when they carry out a raid they go in suited and booted with helmets, body armour, stab proof and flame proof kit and what have you.

Always ?

[i]Mr Clarke, 72, said neighbours were aware of a 'dangerous dog' living at the property.
'I informed the council about it, which is why the fencing was put up,' he said.
'It has already attacked another dog. The owner never had it on a muzzle or a lead, but he did after the previous attack. He didn't take it out a lot.[/i]

So it really does sound like they didn't do their homework.

His colleagues should be ashamed of themselves, not one of them did anything to help the guy.

I hope they get the grief they deserve when they're back on station.

agree - they just abandoned him, pretty poor.

His colleagues should be ashamed of themselves, not one of them did anything to help the guy.

My first thoughts were this however 5 were bitten, one other seriously.

Still, 4 or so officers hitting with batons would present more of a defence?

His colleagues should be ashamed of themselves, not one of them did anything to help the guy.

+1000000
That's what makes it so pathetic. That dog should have been surrounded by coppers knocking the daylights out of it with their clubs, not calling in the firearms team to sort it out. Gene Hunt wouldn't have been stood on a wall.

what a farce..
still.. I'm sure that Hora will be claiming that the dog was a Muslim in a minute..

His colleagues should be ashamed of themselves, not one of them did anything to help the guy.

What amazes me was the reaction of the copper getting bitten. If it had been me i'd imagine i'd be kicking and swinging anything I could at it whilst it was on me.

Why didn't one of the officers ask for a kitchen knife from a neighbour?

Mind you hindsight is a wonderful thing but if someone came into my house I know (and he would) that the kitchen is the house's 'armoury'.

Mind you hindsight is a wonderful thing but if someone came into my house I know (and he would) that the kitchen is the house's 'armoury'.

You really do talk utter b0ll0cks...

What would you do flower? 😆

Just looks like a case of stupid Policemen to me, they were very very lucky it wasn't a mastiff pitbull cross, or a rottweiler as then it would have been much worse.

Hopefully they all get a serious bollocking about the huge mess.

What amazes me was the reaction of the copper getting bitten. If it had been me i'd imagine i'd be kicking and swinging anything I could at it whilst it was on me.

I bet you wouldn't have been, in real life it isn't like TV as dog bites can penetrate sheet steel, so whilst you think you could cope with the pain of your bones starting to creak and fracture and your flesh tearing I bet you would be acting like the bloke in the clip and not as you imagine.

I know people in the forces who use dogs to clear houses in a certain dusty hot place, and they have all said that a single dog can clear a house of armed (very proficient) men in minutes and these people are hardened fighters with lots of weapons and experience.

Muslim dogs and Gene Hunt all on page one - brilliant stuff!

It's about time these 'pets' were banned. I'm sick of people bleating about these dogs saying "it's the owners....." Ban all large and/or potentially dangerous breeds except working dogs. That'll stop em ...... And another thing - one dog per family is enough ....

What would you do flower?

for a start, not refer to my kitchen as an 'amoury'....

I know people in the forces who use dogs to clear houses in a certain dusty hot place, and they have all said that a single dog can clear a house of armed (very proficient) men in minutes and these people are hardened fighters with lots of weapons and experience.

It's about time these 'pets' were banned. I'm sick of people bleating about these dogs saying "it's the owners....." Ban all large and/or potentially dangerous breeds except working dogs. That'll stop em ...... And another thing - one dog per family is enough ....

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Wrecker, have you ever had a dog go for you? I don't mean some yappy toy-dog but a large muscular aggressive animal whose only intent is sinking their teeth into you..

I've come up against various p1ssed off canines in the past & it only takes a bite from one to make you think twice..

Trust me, subduing an angry dog is not as easy as you seem to like to think!

failedengineer - Member

It's about time these 'pets' were banned. I'm sick of people bleating about these dogs saying "it's the owners....." Ban all large and/or potentially dangerous breeds except working dogs. That'll stop em ...... And another thing - one dog per family is enough ....

Why stop at dogs?!? Why not ban all potentially dangerous items, and enforce a strict wrap everything in bubble wrap policy 🙄

You need more knives...the amount of 'empty slots' offends my OCD'ness....

EDIT: Nice edit - I prefer the other picture you posted...

Whereas in real life I'd come running out with my trusty mountain bike knife 😮

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Hang on...

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There

No, just dogs.

that vid suggests that these guys didnt have the full 'raid' kit, helmets and the like..
operation 'big wing' was 1600 raids over a couple of days (sounds like something out of the wire season1) , would that many teams simultaneously have enough kit?
shame on seniors to plan it if not available.

You wouldn't turn up at every arrest warrant in full kit. That's a rarity IME

It's all about the risk assessment and someone up the food chain has underestimated

No, just dogs.

Why just dogs? Surely you would target the things which cause more injuries or deaths first?

Ban all large and/or potentially dangerous breeds except working dogs

so you'd ban Irish Wolfhounds, Great danes, St. Bernards?

you haven't thought this through have you

ban eggs.. vicious little blighters.. and lawn mowers

And cars. And bikes. People get hurt in/on/by those

What a huge waste of resourcces, all those officers injured as well as the ones now trying to wriggle out as to why proper inteligence wasnt obtained about the householder, and sadly the dog was killed.

I hope the officers who where injured make a good recovery and those that watched , please think about your fututre employnment prospects, as some day it wont be a single dog but an armed mob,or rioters you may have to protect your selves and the public from.

Basically everything should be banned expect bubble wrap, and tofu.

No, I have thought it through. Huge s**t laying machines, all of 'em.

We should bubble-wrap the bubble-wrap!

Just in case you know..

Mr engineer chap, I think you'll find this isn't the Daily Wail forum..

phil.w - Member

I think you'll find that that is why when they carry out a raid they go in suited and booted with helmets, body armour, stab proof and flame proof kit and what have you.

Always ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm4WdV8_TWY

Mr Clarke, 72, said neighbours were aware of a 'dangerous dog' living at the property.
'I informed the council about it, which is why the fencing was put up,' he said.
'It has already attacked another dog. The owner never had it on a muzzle or a lead, but he did after the previous attack. He didn't take it out a lot.

So it really does sound like they didn't do their homework.

Nice to see his colleagues helping out 🙄

I'm surprised that they didn't know about the dogs TBH.

I've worked on quite a few armed raids with the Police as medical cover incase it all goes bent and in every briefing it's mentioned about any dogs at the address so I'd expect the same for any raid.

Sadly the last one I was at, they failed to mention that the suspects neighbour had a particularly vicious looking dog which came out into the back garden for a look about at the wrong time. The firearms officers shot the dog without giving it a second thought!
Poor dog 🙂

The colleagues abandoning the bloke did seem a bit off, the article mentioned 5 injured, I wonder how they got bitten considering they were stood on walls and hiding.

Surely, if it was the Daily Hate (Mail), I'd be sticking up for dogs? I'd have two Labradors.

Do you actually work them? As you were proposing to ban big dogs which aren't 'working dogs' and Labs can get to 40kg (and not fat labs) so are definitely classed as big dogs.

How would you have them destroyed if your ban came in? lethal injection, thrown onto the motorway? catapult?

The clip's only one minute long so I imagine theres before or after that wasn't filmed......

I didn't mean that I've got two Labradors, I meant that i would have if I was a Daily Hate reader ....

Anyway this has gone far enough. I don't like dogs. There, I've said it.

I wouldn't destroy existing dogs, I'd just ban the breeding of them.

The officer on the wall is the one thats possibly going to lose 1-2 fingers.

Looks like you're in a minority then Sir..

Wow everyone criticzing and slating people again having no clue! yes there is the potential for a whole host of things to have been wrong with that raid, (ie information not researched etc etc) yet in the same breath they may well not have had any information, we don't know what information they were acting on? why were they at the addresS? who sent them? What time did they get the request to attend? The amount of times I've had done warrants where intell is no dog and we've arrived to be confronted by 3 large evil looking things is beyond me. As for havign a dog handler, they are like rocking horse S*** on earlies as there aren't many in each force. As for the firearms team and coming out to deal, completely justifid by the sounds of the little I know.

Don't know great details about full reasons they were there but, has the address been done before? Ie do they even know a dog was going to be in there? If not, HTF were they expected to know that was going to be the outcome?

It makes the hairs stand up on my neck when I see stuff like that, hideous I hope they all make a good recovery. Stop preaching about what you would've done easier said than done, plus hindsight is wonderful.

Just watched that vid and will admit to a bit of incredulity, but overall + 1 for what M-C just said.

It's been established that there had been complaints about the dog before.
How do you excuse the officers running away and standing on walls whilst their oppo is being mauled?
Actually don't worry; there is no excuse for cowardice.

Yup wrecked you just sit on your high horse there and throw flippant remarks out. You have no idea what the score was. Others have already been bitten, no doubt trying to get the dog off, could they use their arm to get access to asp to hit dog? if it's anything like me I am absoutely terrified of dogs, yes I'd like to think if I was in that situation I would run to a colleagues aid, squealing like a banish, asp in one hand, Captor in the other to assist, reality is a whole different ball game!

Munqe-chick I was asking questions and stating things I'd read- not being critical...

Also this might help/some potentially black humour on her comment:
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Jenny Jones, the Green party candidate's response to this incident:

“Calling in CO19 just seems such an expensive way to deal with a mad dog. Could they not have used a Taser?

Jenny Jones, the Green Party candidate for London mayor, speaking about TASER on 14th March 2012.

“It risks turning the police into a paramilitary force. We are lucky to have policing by consent in this country, and this is a step on the wrong direction.”[/i]

Hora I wasn't necessarily having a go at you as I haven't fully read the thread, there just seem to be a lot of people stating (to me) stupid questions as they seem to think the police have this insane amount of knowledge about everyone and if not can get it at the click of their fingers .. oh like acess to a dog handler or dog shields!!!

As for TASERing a dog! WTF I dread to think.

yes I'd like to think if I was in that situation I would run to a colleagues aid, squealing like a banish, asp in one hand, Captor in the other to assist, reality is a whole different ball game!

This is the Met though and we have CS instead of Captor and it has zero effect on dogs

Plus our new baton's are Monadnock's as Asp's are too expensive. Now, I once hit a single pane window with my Monadnock and the baton collapsed before the glass broke. These are the tools I have to deal with an aggressive dog.

Kato that's exactly what I was thinking unsure what you used, we don't have asp's either, autolocks but I was just making a point. I just wanted to point out to all those arm chair warriors how hideous that would've been and despite wanting to assist my colleagues there is probably no doubt in my mind taht I would've been too terrified and I would've been on the car roof/wall, radionig control room, request firearms etc, then assisting in first aid when I could. sorry to be a coward.

It's been established that there had been complaints about the dog before.
How do you excuse the officers running away and standing on walls whilst their oppo is being mauled?
Actually don't worry; there is no excuse for cowardice.

As Ive already asked you but Ill ask again as it seems you missed it...

Ever gone one on one with an angry dog? Do you have any idea what youre talking about??

Edit: You know what dont bother answering, youre plainly a keyboard warrior. Throwing comments around about cowardice..pathetic.

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Absolutely MC. People watch too much Cops on Camera and assume we go to arrest everyone that's wanted in full riot gear

mmmm so Greeny candidate for mayor questions CO19 rocking up with guns and suggests that a tazer might have done the trick. I thought only firearms officers carried tazers anyways!

Time for dog licences and vigorous enforcement. Sorry.

Ever gone one on one with an angry dog? Do you have any idea what youre talking about??

Edit: You know what dont bother answering, youre plainly a keyboard warrior. Throwing comments around about cowardice..pathetic.

Blah blah blah. Do one. I would well imagine I've been and seen and done more than you have matey. If one of us is a keyboard warrior; it's you.

Righto skip, whatever you say.. 🙄

Dont forget this on the way out..

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Ps Recuse dog? Laughable son - try RAF Police & RMP dogs..

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As Kato says... let's remember the police are invincible and f*** wits whenever a mistake is made!

Wrecker what is the need for that? It's easy for you to sit there and sat that about a dog, you are clearly very confident in dealing with dogs, I'm not. I would love to say I'd assist my colleagues but as already mentioned I know deep down I probably won't be able to as I am terrified of dogs and I would probably run away and vomit somewhere! Well actually I'd hope I'd stay at safe distance updating the control room on what assistance we required as that is next in line for importance as getting the dog off, that officer would not have been able to contact control for assistance.

MacGyver: AS for tasers, each force is still different I believe, I think West Mid (there are some forces not sure which) have certain shift officers which carry TASER, TVP certainly don't, fire arms officers. In TVP we have only recently have ARV routinely armed with TASERS, they used to be locked in teh cars and required authorisation too. They now carry them all the time and can self-arm in certain situations if required.

Ps Recuse dog? Laughable son - try RAF Police & RMP dogs..

Youre boring now wrecker..

Go away..

Ps not a hat, bootie..

I'm not going to try and blame or criticise, as they obvioulsy had to handle it in their own way, but when I was attacked by a staffy, when I was 16, I kicked the shit out of it. Aim for nuts and guts. It was a case of me or him (I'm about the same size as two staffies, stacked on top of each other), he went off whipmering. I can only imagine that those coppers were inhibited by their role in the situation as it appears the guy in the jaws wasn't really trying..

Yup wrecked you just sit on your high horse there and throw flippant remarks out.

If he was a policeman, he'd be sat on a high fence...

Toys I imagine he froze with fear! I think I would!!! I bet if a dog latched onto my eyes I would close my eyes, pray (I'm not religious!) and wish the thing would get off ... not very useful I know.

Ps not a hat, bootie..