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I'm sure he was asked if his aid was nearby to remove him from possible danger and as many protesters i'm sure he would of shouted at the police in perhaps an offensive and threatening manner.Simple thing would be to remove him from all danger.
Trying to carry a disabled person isn't the easiest thing to do, and under pressure from the advancing protesters would quite easily made it more awkward to do it without it looking less than caring.
It would also be necessary to wonder whether, the police acted in case there was chance of a terrorist threat.
A mass of students would of been a great cover and a man in a wheelchair could easily blend in as an non bomber.
Pop a bomb under the chair in the middle of a big protest and boom. Plods and young people killed.
I am sure that defence will stand up in a court of law
I like the fact that many o your are suprised that someone in a wheelchair can walk - it is more a sign of a mobility issue than paralysis - do you assume all old people in mobility scooters are incapabale of moving under their own steam for short distances?
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The police appear to be trying to carry him to the side of the road, probably for his own safety, and fetching his wheelchair behind him. Whilst trying to that it looks like they've come under some sort of interferance from other protestors."
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Could that BBC interviewer have possibly come across as more of a pompous superior prat! He was truly world class.
If you're going to challenge the bloke then challenge him properly with specific (evidences) allegations not some lame innuendos.
Regardless of the merits of his case I thought Jody came across as an outstanding spokesperson though. Passionate and precise. Didn't get thrown by the beeb goon at all.
The vid is inconclusive, I see it as the Police acting appropriately in this PC era, they treated the wheelchair user with equal contempt. Equal rights to be beaten up by the rozzers and dragged off to a black maria, wheelchair user or not and so say all of us. The individual is probably buzzing his t1ts off after years of being sidelined by general society, good on him. I think the resulting PC PR will be excellent for the plod, win win.
I hope the individual uses his moment in the media in a positive way to push his cause.
From his blog he says he was deliberately breaking through police lines which the Police are going to see as a threat as they wouldn't want people on both sides of them. And from the mitchell images link the police appear to be merely restraining him, though his raised arms suggest he is objecting profusely. Even shows him walking alongside an officer who is carrying his wheelchair. I hope he doesn't even bother to complain. He even says he was dismayed at the peaceful protest and was pleased when the mob started running towards parliament.
do you assume all old people in mobility scooters are incapabale of moving under their own steam for short distances?
“It was an epic mission to the top; nine floors, eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked.”
Hmmmm - I think most old people would struggle with 18 flights of stairs!
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The best way to avoid trouble in crowd situations like this is to simply not be there, funny how this often gets overlooked. 😉
I hope the individual uses his moment in the media in a positive way to push his cause
He was certainly doing his best on the BBC breakfast news yesterday, telling us how the Wikileaks revelations showed that Britain is pursuing an imperialist agenda and that this was related to opression at home etc etc etc. They couldn't shut him up - "can we just talk about the incident and not politics?" to which the answer was basically "no". In his favour at least he didn't seem to be playing the disability card.
There was also an earlier video clip of the police struggling to get the poor abused and oppressed cripple back in his wheelchair - trying to get the others to "get him to safety", oddly he didn't appear too keen though. I see our own media are now happy to ignore this now though and give the chap his air time, perhaps the media in this country share his views and political agenda - otherwise why give him the time?
The media in this country (and throughout the world) share a cosy relationship with politicians and the police, unless forced to do otherwise by exposure.
Anybody else think it's just to A) get media attention to the fees protests (if there isn't enough already!), B) Try and get some money from a low-life "no win, no fee" lawyer - who will try to sue for police brutality (whatever it falls under in the law) ?
Taking a disabled person in a wheelchair to the middle of a potential riot is a stupid thing to do, so there must have been an alternative motive?
EDIT: Just having a read of his blog - he's a rather disturbed person... perhaps angry with the world for some reason or another...
There's some shocking ignorance of disability on display in this thread.
The media in this country (and throughout the world) share a cosy relationship with politicians and the police, unless forced to do otherwise by exposure.
How exactly does this exposure happen? Oh yes, it's through the media......and before you say it, exposure did happen before youtube, mobile phones etc. which can often give a very one sided view of actions and events, so not always a good or reliable source.
“It was an epic mission to the top; nine floors, eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked.”Hmmmm - I think most old people would struggle with 18 flights of stairs!
I doubt many young people would percieve walking up 9 floors as an epic struggle unless they actually have a mobility issues- how short a distance do you want him to be able to move unaided before you consider him too have impared mobility?
You may just want to Google Cerebral Palsy as well 🙄
Here have a clue
Cerebral - brain
Palsy = loss of movement
Mmmmmmm wonder if he has impaired movement or not it a tough one this what do you think?
Whatever you think of his motives and beliefs to imply he does need the wheelchair is a sign of remarkable ignorance
C'mon the fact that he has had to consult a lawyer / wait a couple of days before making a complaint is pretty telling, surely?!
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Taking a disabled person in a wheelchair to the middle of a potential riot is a stupid thing to do, so there must have been an alternative motive?
Taking? He had no option? Or is public protest his right as well? By this logic all protesters of any variety are stupid
Really - don't patronise the disabled. Thats a shocking attitude
I have contact with patients with cerebral palsy on a reasonably regular basis both now and in the past Junkyard but I guess assuming that I am ignorant of the condition suits your rather one sided viewpoint regarding the 'victim' and the police action.
just so as you know i am now not as speechless as i was.
fairly intrigued by the lads activities though.
Mmmmmmm wonder if he has impaired movement or not it a tough one this what do you think?
Mmmmmmmm wonder how his ability to walk up 18 flights of stairs might affect his DLA higher rate mobility allowance 😉
Stop it Zulu - you are obviously as ignorant of the condition as I am 😉
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Taking a disabled person in a wheelchair to the middle of a potential riot is a stupid thing to do, so there must have been an alternative motive?Taking? He had no option? Or is public protest his right as well? By this logic all protesters of any variety are stupid
Really - don't patronise the disabled. Thats a shocking attitude
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He claimed to require help from a 3rd party to mobilise, so someone would need to take him? And his blog rants & raves about the London transport system (how it's anti-disabled people), so he would need to to be 'taken' to the protest by someone....
Perhaps wrong choice of words, but either way the guy is an idiot.
The guy may be a clown - but that is a dreadful patronising attitude from you. Not the only one on this thread I must say.
I thought this attitude has disappeared with education . clearly not in stwland
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Fair enough Woody - sorry
As to my one sided viewpoint I think he is an agitator , provactive and makes it difficult for the police to respond appropriately as it is good [ ie bad] media coverage to see the rozzers "accosting " a person in a wheelchair.
I said on the other thread many on both sides [police and protestor]behave inappropriately and we should hold them all to account for their actions. niether side is perfect.
I do support protest and think that violence/disorder is sometimes justified - ANC, Suffragettes - the state find it much easier to ignore a protest that is just a lot of middle class hand wringing and tutting- Irag War thna mass civil disobediance - Poll Tax for example IMHO
Amusing how you know nothing about me, or any connections I may have with people with disabilities.
For all you know, I could be typing this sitting in a wheelchair, and riding bikes was a hobby of mine until a serious accident... but I'm still interested in the world of bikes...
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I do support protest and think that violence/disorder is sometimes justified - ANC, Suffragettes
I note that the two examples you give, both involve groups who did [b]not[/b] have the right to vote!
So, there is a significant and not so subtle difference from university students...
No problem and I'll back down too as I've gone back and re-read your other posts and have to admit the you are not the blinkered leftie/radical I have mistaken you for - in fact you're almost as fair and liberal as me 😉Fair enough Woody - sorry
xiphon - I can see the unthinking patronising attitude.
sorry but its something that really annoys me the "does he take sugar" attitude
I note that the two examples you give, both involve groups who did not have the right to vote!So, there is a significant and not so subtle difference from university students...
Hmm ... "voting" .. how's that work again? Oh yes - someone says "vote for me and I will do x", so you vote for him and he does the absolute opposite of x. What's the point of that?
Oh yes - someone says "vote for me and I will do x", so you vote for him and he does the absolute opposite of x. What's the point of that?
Comprehension FAIL.
Not much I agree but when you only get 23% of the vote (I'm assuming you're talking about Mr Clog) then you don't have much choice. It's called democracy in action!What's the point of that?
I almost kept a straight face as I typed that 8)
Disabled or otherwise, from reading the guys blog it's clear he's a complete throbber.
surly if you are going to get involved in a riot/ fight/ etc and end up getting hurt then thats part of the risk you take whatever your situation.
my niece has cerebral palsy. she's a student. she 'could' make it up 9 floors of stairs but not that easily. if she felt it was a just cause she would do it. does that mean she's suddenly no longer disabled?
Really - don't patronise the disabled. Thats a shocking attitude
calm down dear, it's only an internet thread
there, there have a nice cup of tea and do the guardian crossword, it'll all be fine.
my niece has cerebral palsy. she's a student. she 'could' make it up 9 floors of stairs but not that easily. if she felt it was a just cause she would do it. does that mean she's suddenly no longer disabled?
On his blog he say both he and his brother removed a metal barrier on a central reservation of a dual carriageway to allow protesters to get through. Yet he claimed on television that he was unable to throw anything.
Anarchist scumbag that's out for trouble regardless of the "cause"
does he take sugar though BBSB?
I note that the two examples you give, both involve groups who did not have the right to vote!So, there is a significant and not so subtle difference from university students...
Many people at the demonstration last week were under 18, and therefore unable to vote, and this new system will affect people who've not yet had a chance at 'democracy'.
I blame the parents !
dont you dare bring genetics into this! 😮
my niece has cerebral palsy. she's a student. she 'could' make it up 9 floors of stairs but not that easily. if she felt it was a just cause she would do it. does that mean she's suddenly no longer disabled?
Not only that, but she deserves a good kicking by the rozzers.
Now, stoner, you're just being patronising, and I for one am more shocked than a chav in a power station