All these self-parking car adverts show the drivers taking their hands off the steering wheel whilst the car is parking. Does this mean they can be done for dangerous driving as they aren't 'in control's of the vehicle.
It is doing it itself and is controlled but by removing your hands, are you breaking the law?
You’re covering the brake and keeping aware of your surroundings, so you stop if necessary as normal.
google says
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/12/self-parking-cars-are-being-legalised-in-the-uk/
<span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">The consultation also suggests a new addition to the Highway Code, stating "You can park your vehicle via remote control, using a legally compliant parking application or device in an appropriate way which does not endanger others."</span>
As above, yes they are legal. We’ve had a few test drives / demos of the self parking and its pretty cool and works well once you overcome your “omg we are going to crash” reflex.
Before too many people say its unnecessary my wife has a severe neck injury which makes turing her head more than 90 degrees impossible and combine that with some poor rear viz / small window / large pillar car designs and you have the “need”
Some of the ****ing idiots driving aren't legal and I see that as a much bigger problem to be fair!
OK...
Yes that’s why the are on the road in the UK.
They’re likely to be safer than just a human anyway as they watch all angles all the time and stop instantly if they sense anything.
I think it's right to say that the driver remains responsible and is officially in control?
its not a new thing ? my folks cars had it for at least 6 years and they were not particularly early adopters.
its quite impressive and i'm sure these days can get it in a spot that humans cant but both me and my dad can get the car into spaces manually that the computer refuses to put it into..... - as in you turn it on - drive past the space and it decides if its big enough or not .... and a few times we have overruled it and put the car in anyway.
Northwind yes that’s correct
do the new ones do reverse parking into bays now jambalaya ?
Trail_rat=Awesome
your so predictable now drac , do you practice or does it come naturally ?
Mine goes into parallel spaces and 'sometimes' into bays but only when there's cars either side. When the law changes then mine will have the software upgrade sonthat it'll go in and out of bays when I'm outside or so they told me when it serviced at the end of last year.
It’s natural SurfMat.
Trail_rat=Awesome
First time I reversed into a space with my Octavia, I got out, walked away then looked back and couldn’t believe that I’d got it into the space, there was less than a foot clear at each end, and I did it first time.
Never managed to do it as well since. 😐
natural - unlike your sense of humour - needs work 0/10 must try harder.
Ap that does sound too good to be true but i long for that day- in the future all cars will do that so we dont get door dings when folk just open their doors into your car - all door opening shall be done outside of the space - of course sliding doors also solve that issue pretty well.
but given how bad some people are at parking it cant come soon enough
😀 to be fair to Drac, someone had to say it.
As soon as I saw the "me and dad can both out park a robot" I started scrolling quickly to the bottom of the page to post something about the old STW legend, only to see Drac had beaten me to it 😉
I like the idea of self parking cars, I can see a real benefit in somewhere like Tesco’s on a Saturday morning for instance.
I’m waiting for the “I’m more entitled to be on the road because I’m awesome” option..
Or a speed limiter, obvz..
As for the legality of self parking vehicles, then sure they’re legal. A motor manufacturer wouldn’t build something that wasn’t legal in the jurisdiction it would be sold.. would it ?
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Instead of replacing human input with technology shouldn't we be removing poor drivers from the roads? If you can't park then you aren't capable of proper control of your vehicle.
still no ones answered the question i posed when i said that though david - my point was that 6 year old technology could be bettered by humans - how is it now - im sure its improved , and thats what i asked.
no one else remember the top gear car hammond tried to get to self park between 2 cars and it just couldnt do it ?
or was the robot just not smurfhat enough to be able to park it ?
It depends on what you exactly mean by self parking. Parallel parking has been available for a while, as is now parking end on into bays. That’s with you controlling the brake pedal. I could have had remote parking (get out and move the car into a space via an app so not sitting in the car) on the new car but considering that I never use even the parallel parking, I didn’t bother.
The leave it to complete park itself without driver involvement (not in control) is not yet legal I think.
careful now misterP your home truth is edging on discrimination right there.
ITS MY GIVEN RIGHT TO DRIVE (even if im not able)
I think you missed the joke trail_rat.
still no ones answered the question i posed when i said that though david – my point was that 6 year old technology could be bettered by humans – how is it now – im sure its improved , and thats what i asked.no one else remember the top gear car hammond tried to get to self park between 2 cars and it just couldnt do it ?
or was the robot just not smurfhat enough to be able to park it ?
THat's the thing, I have absolutely no idea how good or shit a self parking car is as I've never used one and until now, I wasn't really aware of their existence.
I just thought it sounded impressive, out parking a robot.
But you're no doubt right, anyone half decent at parking could do it as the robots aren't that good.
I guess if they were too good and parked the car in a really tight spot, then could the below average driver be trusted to get the car out again without causing any damage? What about the cars in front or behind? Could they be trusted?
Usually quite impressed by the vw system. First used it 7-8 years back. Would get you into car length +2m iirc, which is quite tight. Enough for me to get egged on by my kids once when I reckoned a space was too tight only for the car to do it bloody first bloody time.
Had to turn in my man card that day.
With 8 years of development I would have thought they'd be ace now.
I've driven 370 miles today - bring on the self driving cars!
Similar technology on the doors would be good, so they couldn't be forced into the adjacent car. Might insentivise the obesity crisis at the same time.
I’d like to see it brought into law that any safety features (collision avoidance, blind spot etc) available on any model of car, must be standard fitting on all variants from base model up.
/gripe
Trail Rat yes they reverse park into bays, we did that demo and a parallel parking one. I have to say after first seing the systems on Top Gear I was skeptical but with wife’s neck injury and horrible rearward vision in some of the cars we’ve tried the reversing cameras are must have and the auto parking very useful.
yeah i have noticed door mirrors on cars seem to be getting smaller again. our new one has tiny mirrors stuck on the side cant see shit - but then maybe thats because the ones on the van are the size of our new car.
"bearnecessities
I’d like to see it brought into law that any safety features (collision avoidance, blind spot etc) available on any model of car, must be standard fitting on all variants from base model up."
That'll either drive the base model prices through the roof meaning less safety devices on the road, or where the base model is a key seller it'll mean they don't add things to higher end ones meaning less safety devices on the road.
Though, I don't disagree with the concept- first owner of my old Focus had ticked the upgrade box for the 6 CD changer but didn't get ABS, which cost more or less the same. I mean <really>?
We've got it on our car and I like it. Parallel parks perfectly without kerbing wheels and because the computer is doing it you can park quicker than you would manually. It's awesome for our local high street which is full of other impatient drivers who insist that parallel parking must be completed in 5 seconds or so.
Reverse parking into bays I do manually as i find i (honestly) do a better job. It uses other cars as reference and people are always at squinty angles or over lines etc. My ocd will mean i need to get it perfectly in the bay. Also, the auto park demands that you pull forward and straighten up a few times which I don't seem to need to do manually.
Before too many people say its unnecessary my wife has a severe neck injury which makes turing her head more than 90 degrees impossible
with all due respect, she's not fit to drive.
I can't turn my head more then 90 degrees either, i just can't physically move it past the shoulder line. I thought that was pretty normal, s everyone else an owl ?
Shhh! Kerley it’s not polite to point out facts.
That’ll either drive the base model prices through the roof meaning less safety devices on the road, or where the base model is a key seller it’ll mean they don’t add things to higher end ones meaning less safety devices on the road.
Would it though? They have the tech sat there, R&D paid for and ready to go, it's just a case of making the extra units and fitting on the line. They could continue the carefully-thought adding of skirts, wheels, winter packs,super-mean looking headlights etc as you progress up the range to help make their profits. Costs incurred of installing the safety tech across the range could be passed onto those extras and the profits missed would be minimal, as I'm fairly sure that people prioritise the wheels/colour/trim/toys etc over the safety gadgets....
I'm sure they are other considerations, but I bet the manufacturers would find a way of making it work.
"i just can’t physically move it past the shoulder line. "
Thats 180 if it goes both ways.
😂😂😂
Normal range is between 60 and 80 degrees.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; background-color: #eeeeee;">with all due respect, she’s not fit to drive.</span>
That's rubbish. Plenty vehicles on the road with no rear visibility except via wing mirrors and most of those manage to be driven and manouvered safely.
Normal range is between 60 and 80 degrees.
Which is why both Jamby and me were obviously talking about total available movement whilst driving, which would include additional rotation from the body, you ****.
Plenty vehicles on the road with no rear visibility except via wing mirrors and most of those manage to be driven and manoeuvred safely.
Ever driven a van?
If you haven't, you'll be unaware that to avoid say, pulling out in front of a cyclist at an angled T junction, you may need to not only lean forward but also articulate your neck.
That's even with massive mirrors, that you don't get with a car.
I see so much shit driving caused by being unable to observe sufficiently due to mobility problems. Bus passes exist for good reason.
Ok, so having come back to this this morning, we have progressed into some arguments about 'stuff' but seem to have agreed that yes everything is ok as the driver is still in control of the vehicle (if they have their hands off the steering wheel). I've been in one of the first VW attempts at this and it was very impressive - parallel parked with ease. My parents were at an offroad driving experience in one of the new top-end Range Rover things and that was even more impressive - the speed the wheel was being spun to get in the space was incredibly fast - faster than I think a human could achieve.
I think it is a great idea - but I'm utterly bobbins at parking - I can do it, but it isn't smooth and generally not first time - lack of practice, I suspect! So I'd be quite happy with a car that did this...
I don’t have automatic park but I have reverse sensors and it makes things a little bit easier for parking they’re a great assist.
You stay class there Sbob.
My 2006 Prius has self parking. But you have to control the brake and watch the screen - it doesn't respond to people stepping out behind you etc. It'd be ok if it let you go quickly enough - if you go over a snail's pace it complains and then quits, which is a PITA when you are stopping traffic on a busy street. However it is brilliant at packing into a tiny space perfectly.
Before too many people say its unnecessary my wife has a severe neck injury which makes turing her head more than 90 degrees impossible and combine that with some poor rear viz / small window / large pillar car designs and you have the “need”
Cameras fix that, no need for autonomous parking.
All very well squeezing into a tiny spot, but what about the poor old dear parked behind you who can then no longer get out?