[Closed] The word 'B*tch' get's past the swear filter. Why?

This predates me but I believe it was simply due to overuse.

so basically you want to be able to spout pish without anyone pointing it out 😉

...and all 4 letters long. What are the chances.

That's actually the way the swear filter works. Anything in the blacklist is transposed as "****" by default regardless of how many letters are in the original word / phrase, unless an actual substitution is specified (which I didn't copy as the replacements wouldn't be filtered).

Really?

Edit: Well **** me you're ****ing right.

Dammit, I forgot [i]logical fallacy [/i]

[quote=scotroutes ]Dammit, I forgot logical fallacy

Don't worry, I'm sure you've posted one somewhere

If this was a Hollywood movie, GrahamS and Ransos would fall into each other's arms and kiss right about now.

So who would be who's bitch?

Rather tragic bunch of replies to why 'Bit*ch' gets past the swear filter.
Shocking as it may be, there are people who find the word disgusting when used to degrade woman.

So STWs views is that it isn't that important? half the population (and a bit more) could be put off from joining a forum, paying for membership of buying a magazine because they see posts where the term is used to degrade women shakes head

So all this having women in the magazines, women writers photographers. Not being like all the other knuckle dragging 70's mentality other cycling magazines and forums have when it comes to women is just for show!?

I can't agree with having to moderate peoples posts myself becuase some silly folk want to use the term to slate women.

Rather disappointed with this as STW mods and members go to great lengths in defending religions, and minority's against the haters that just post to hate.

I can't condone the actions that STW chooses to take as to what it blocks in it's filters and i will miss the Singletrack Magazine and Grit.CX as i love the story's (love Grit.CX more) but it would be like slating Donald Trump for his views then booking a stay in a Trump hotel.

STW and Grit.CX can keep my payments, just don't send me anymore magazines and cancel my membership.

Thank you

Don't slam the door on your way out, there's a love.

**** me that **** can flounce!

I really don't understand how you get from "it's not in the swear filter" to "it's approved for use and STW doesn't take it seriously". It's as if the swear filter is the only moderation tool.

You can get banned for inappropriate use of words that aren't in the filter. Right Scotroutes?

10/10 flounce.

I'd give extra marks for miscomprehension, but I don't want to go overboard.

I'm struggling with Poe's law here, but just in case mrsfry has gone completely out of character:

because they see posts where the term is used to degrade women shakes head
...
I can't agree with having to moderate peoples posts myself becuase some silly folk want to use the term to slate women.

Go on then...

[quote=Northwind ]You can get banned for inappropriate use of words that aren't in the filter. Right Scotroutes?You can even get banned for [i]appropriate[/i] use of words that aren't in the swear filter 😆

You can get banned for inappropriate use of words that aren't in the filter.

The dirty commies don't like dialects either

Shit bugger bollocks piss nob fart.

Edit: I am going to have a field day tomorrow.

So STWs views is that it isn't that important?

Hang on. Few things here.

1) It's absolutely important, it's critical even. The site wants to be as inclusive as it can be.

2) For context, I present my personal view / interpretation as one Moderator, I'm not the official STW spokesman. Nor is any other Moderator for that matter, we're just the few daft enough to be vocal.

3) The swear filter is a blunt instrument, a last resort. Honestly, it's not useful for this kind of filtering, that [i]has[/i] to be done manually for reasons as I tried to explain. There are as you say "people who find the word disgusting when used to degrade woman," I'm one of those people. But what happens when it's [i]not[/i] being used in that manner?

4) You don't have to "moderate posts yourself," but it's incredibly helpful if you bring potentially offensive posts to our attention. We encourage everyone to do that then we can look at all complaints individually and personally. We don't always see every problem post in our own browsing, and in any case a report add weight to what the userbase deems acceptable is or not. Policies and moderation can (and indeed, has) changed on the back of this.

Surely, the best way to tell what posts and comments people find unacceptable is to give those people a mechanism whereby they can tell us what they think is acceptable, rather than the Moderation team guessing and laying down the law?

5) FWIW, the moderation team aren't all male.

6) I'd hate to see you leave through a misunderstanding. Please don't.

So, if I get this right, if I want to curse someone, I have to do so in a way that does not offend them? Riiiight.

if I get this right, if I want to curse someone,

No no no. This thread is about B*tch, not W*tch.

Oooh! A flouncing! A flouncing!

Suspect it isn't the first time the OP has left the forum.....

Can I have the OP's P if they don't want it?

That would be taking the P.

Shocking as it may be, there are people who find the word disgusting when used to degrade woman.

Ummm I don't think [i]any[/i] of us like that word [i]when it is used to degrade women[/i].

Because generally this isn't a place where people like degrading women.

But that's not a good reason to impose a blanket ban on a word that has many other meanings and, from what I've seen, nine times out of ten is being used with those other meanings.

In fact, outside of the skate park thread (where it was discussed specifically because the lad in the video said it), I can't recall ever seeing a thread on here where it was used to degrade women. If I had then I'd fully expect the thread to be modded and I might well report it myself.

I see scotroutes responded to your flounce by using the word "love" as a little sarcy insult - so should "love" also be banned too even though it is mostly used innocently?

How about potentially insulting words like "tart", "cow", "dog", "mare" etc?

Context is everything, which is why swear filters can only really catch unambiguous swear words and why mods and community policing are needed.

To my mind is this not about different but equivalent insults for different genders? The gender informs the choice of word not the context or underlying meaning. So there is a need to moderate not ban/filter.

Taking a non insulting example.

Nigel Incubator-Jones is handsome
Elizabeth Incubator-Jones is beautiful

Both mean they are attractive but the choice of adjective is gender based (it could have been Hunk / Beauty (sorry rubbish choice of specific words but it's late and I'm a bit tired)).

Edit...I think there's a difference between insult/describe antisocial conduct/behaviours and degrade based on or as a result of their gender and here context is vital in understanding which applies and where there is doubt I would expect the community to report/moderators to act.

Our female 'dog' died last year, which was a bitch.

Good thread this!

In fact, outside of the skate park thread (where it was discussed specifically because the lad in the video said it), I can't recall ever seeing a thread on here where it was used to degrade women. If I had then I'd fully expect the thread to be modded and I might well report it myself.

G-d - good explanation

Which makes mrsfry' rather spectacular flounce even more inexplicable, it just seems so completely out of character.

On the rag, innit.

[quote=CountZero ]Which makes mrsfry' rather spectacular flounce even more inexplicable, it just seems so completely out of character.

I'm still thinking the whole thing being a wind up is far more in character - which is the attitude I've taken with all my other posts on this thread. Poe's Law...

it just seems so completely out of character.

Not really. She/he has been here before, certainly. Pretty sure she/he also had a rather more enforced departure last time round.

*Thinks*

'Margaret Thatcher'

There you go...

What an epic strop, ..toys well out the pram.

Is the OP having some sort of breakdown? It's all a bit desperate and attention seeking isn't it?

Not really. She/he has been here before, certainly. Pretty sure she/he also had a rather more enforced departure last time round.

Say What You See...

Is this the same MrsFry who does all the borderline inappropriate innuendo stuff <tries to muster up a rightful indignation huff; accidentally farts instead>

I had made a promise to myself to no longer bait mrsfry ( despite being a master at it) as I think there might be some genuine issues there.

@mrsfry - U ok Hon / mate / whatever?

Jeez, I quite liked mrsfry. Oh well, I think you responded quite well with your six points, above, Cougar.

Hopefully s/he'll come back.

Hopefully s/he'll come back.

Without doubt. Might be another login though. Who knows, it might already be up and running.

bollocks isn't sweary, it is an old english word meaning priest. proven in court by that record shop in nottingham or wherever

I'm a bit confused. As a woman myself, of course I wouldn't be part of STW if I felt there was an atmosphere of people being derogatory to women. I honestly haven't seen any posts that were derogatory towards women, although perhaps I've missed something?
In fact mumsnet is sometimes derogatory towards women, by women themselves!

In fact mumsnet is sometimes derogatory towards women, by women themselves!

Ohh, that sounds bitchy 😐