[Closed] The Suarez nearest the bull ban length game

@ MSP spitting in your face is not very dangerous either
Neither are the myriad of "headbuts" you see.
No one is saying he endangered anyone they are saying is that he deliberately bit someone for the THIRD TIME.

Exactly other rather unpleasant and pathetic but ultimately harmless actions that get moral outrage frothing over the top. Even when Roy Keane admitted deliberately breaking another players leg (although he later retracted his admission when he realised how stupid he had been in making it) there was far less outrage displayed.

You can't compare Suarez to Super Mario.

There has been a lack of perspective in the screaming moral outrage being made by many and lead by the media.

He's a repeat offender of a particularly heinous form of assault - I don't know why you can't understand this?

I say assault but you know what I mean. The point is he's got previous for biting - 3 times now & there's no place for that in sport. PERIOD.

Even when Roy Keane admitted deliberately breaking another players leg (although he later retracted his admission when he realised how stupid he had been in making it) there was far less outrage displayed.

While theres no way I'd endorse Keane's behaviour (who's also a pretty unpleasant individual), his actions involved what he considered revenge, in a spat that had history going back some time between the two of them. Also... he didn't repeat it three times.

The mystifying thing about the racist chompers behaviour is that its not like it was targeting someone who'd been rattling in heavy challenges on him all game. Or like Keane, someone who'd injured him in a previous game. His victim/lunch appeared to be selected entirely at random. Same as last time. And thats just weird!

MSP I am not agreeing with you 🙄
I dont think anyone can call being bitten or spat at "ultimately harmless" and well done for managing to have a go at a Man U player when we are discussing Suarez.
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FWIW he should have done time for that IMHO [/s]
Offers pathetic defence because he played for a team i support

His behaviour is indefensible unless you support one of the teams he plays for ...even then you need to have a word with yourself as your "loyalty" has broken your moral compass.

@binners - I think he just get's wound up and cracks. He was getting the (to be expected) rough treatment from the Italian defenders all match and Uruguay where going out at 0-0 and they couldn't make the 11 vs 10 men pay. He was getting the normal jostle for position and he just flipped out.

I also imagine Liverpool told him "absolutely last chance" last time.

I wonder what his contract says about being paid his wages if he's banned.

But Suarez isn't an embarrassment to Liverpool he is a disgrace. Liverpool's defence of him was awful last time, but then they do have a weird persecution complex.

Suarez and Gerrard both leave the world cup with their reputations ruined.

Still there are always winners in these situations and I bet Rickie Lambert is enjoying a celebratory drink tonight.

It's a tricky one. As has been said, on here and elsewhere (by no less of a paragon of virtue than joey Barton for one), biting someone is nowhere near as dangerous as some of the other stuff that happens such as over the ball leg breaking tackles. However, there's something so deeply taboo / disgusting about it, and spitting, that really causes such a response.

I mean you could call verbal abuse the same - doesn't cause any physical harm, and most players will have seen and experienced it enough times that they are relatively immune to it - but when racist abuse arises, then it again stirs a huge outrage.

The problem is not that biting, and spitting, and abuse are overpunished in comparison to physical offences; it's that the physical offences are underpunished. To many people there's a fine dividing line between an 'honest' British / PL style challenge that causes serious injury, and a malicious one. That's where i think we need a review panel of ex-players who are far more likely to know that a tackle was deliberate in its attempt to cause injury, and start handing out bans like the Suarez one for those offences too. 3 games is far too short for someone who has deliberately set out to injure a fellow professional in a way that has the potential make them lose their livelihood and all they've ever known and worked for in an instant.

I agree with MSP's point.

Completely over the top moral outrage.
Sportsman gets frustrated and reacts in a silly childish manner while playing a silly childish game with lot's of other silly childish sportsman. End of.

The ban seems fair.

Sportsman gets frustrated and reacts in a silly childish manner....

Good point.

...while playing a silly childish game with lot's of other silly childish sportsman. End of.

Oh. It was going so well 😥

To clarify. All sports are silly and childish (doesn't stop me loving many of them :oops:)

Interviews with Liverpool fans on the BBC were hilarious, still supporting him like this wasn’t a big deal.

According to the Grauniad, Liverpool are consulting their lawyers with a view to an appeal. FFS, he has got off pretty lightly. If you insist on employing such a deplorable specimen, at least take your punishment without whining!

Amen to that theotherjonv

Could we get you running the FA please?

Sportsman gets frustrated and reacts in a silly childish manner while playing a silly childish game with lot's of other silly childish sportsman. End of.

Perhaps if certain individuals hadn't been indulged like spoilt children in the past, and constantly allowed to do whatever they like without criticism from their [s]doting parents[/s] manager, their behaviour might have changed by now...

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I am not defending Suarez, and I don't support Liverpool or Uruguay, I am questioning the legitimacy of the outrage being displayed. It reminds me of the rugbyists taking the moral high ground while ignoring the stomping, raking and eye gouging in their own sport.

He's a repeat offender of a particularly heinous form of assault

What is so particularly heinous about it? It is pretty minor, just rather pathetic and unexpected. Honestly please explain it to me, what makes this so much worse than anything else?

According to the Grauniad, Liverpool are consulting their lawyers with a view to an appeal. FFS, he has got off pretty lightly. If you insist on employing such a deplorable specimen, at least take your punishment without whining!

It's probably the reverse of what you say. If the deplorable specimen is free to play domestic football, they can de-employ him for considerably more. If a successful appeal could be worth £20-30m extra in transfer fees, it's worth a stab, isn't it?

What is so particularly heinous about it?

If you have to ask - you're never going to understand the answer..... 🙄

edit: I'll try to explain. Biting is wrong - it's something animals do.

his grandmother, Lila Piriz Da Rosa, said her grandson had been treated like "a dog".

They put down dogs that bite.

If you have to ask - you're never going to understand the answer.....

edit: I'll try to explain. Biting is wrong - it's something animals do.

So is raking someone with your studs, kicking someone, elbowing someone etc etc, what makes biting so [b]heinous[/b] (your word) it needs to be treated in some special way.

It really is just an excuse to come over all outraged

A player will cheat in the final to get the winning penalty and they'll all be lauding his achievements!

Gordon Strachan has called it about right on Football...

“We give Uruguay/Liverpool stick about defending [Suarez], but every manager defends his player.

“People talk about morals – we don’t have any morals in football. Let’s get that right.

“Over the years I have played there has been wife-batterers, drink driving incidents, infidelity, Eric Cantona jumping into the crowd and kung-fu-ing someone in the chest.

“The clubs stand by them.

“The supporters themselves, when these guys come back, they stand up and applaud them on the pitch.

“So don’t anybody start talking about morals – we don’t have any in football.

I'm not outraged more than with any of the other bonkers things that happen in football. But this is clearly THE most bonkers, as the other stuff is normally explicable for whatever reasons eventually. The whole thing just really intrigues me.

To me, the biting is as totally fruit-loop as walking up to someone random and gaving them a wedgie! Or a Chinese burn. Its just completely hat-stand behaviour.

I sometimes suspect he's some form of elaborate installation artwork, and social experiment, rolled into one. The whole thing is just decidedly odd

“We give Uruguay/Liverpool stick about defending [Suarez], but every manager defends his player.

“People talk about morals – we don’t have any morals in football. Let’s get that right.

“Over the years I have played there has been wife-batterers, drink driving incidents, infidelity, Eric Cantona jumping into the crowd and kung-fu-ing someone in the chest.

“The clubs stand by them.

“The supporters themselves, when these guys come back, they stand up and applaud them on the pitch.

“So don’t anybody start talking about morals – we don’t have any in football.

If that's an accurate quote, amen to that.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor biting in any sport, and it does "seem" worse than a dodgy tackle, but the levels of hypocrisy shown in the outrage, especially of players like Mills and Shearer who were dirty bastards when they played (although, Shearer was targeted by every defender he came up against so had to stick up for himself...which is some kind of mitigation) and moreso on this thread, using it as a platform to slag off the team who employs him with faux-apoplexy and ridiculous melodramatic over-statement is hilarious.*

* not in a funny ha-ha sense.

I think Uruguay were getting stick because they denied it even happened. Liverpool didn't defend him when he did it to Ivanovic. He apologised to Ivanovic and Brendan Rogers said he had let down everyone and that he owed it to the club and supporters to prove his worth and change his ways. Which up until Tuesday, he had done quite well.

I must admit I applauded Eric Cantona for kicking the Palace prick. You often hear of people saying about footballers "if he did that in the street......." Well if you stood there verbally abusing someone in the street, you may well get a kicking. It's the same to all these fragile supporters that make complaints about players sticking their fingers up at them or celebrating in front of them when they've been hurling abuse at them all game.

Worse he wasn't even provoked just bit the defender for no reason at all.

I just can't see how you can defend a guy who has no bitten 3 people on the pitch, it's just wrong.

Worse he wasn't even provoked

Did you watch the game? He'd been provoked all game, just not in that instance. Which is strange really - one would never expect the Italian football team to employ such tactics...they've never really done that kind of thing. Provocation is no excuse, of course, unless it's a supporter hurling abuse...it seems.

I just can't see how you can defend a guy who has no bitten 3 people on the pitch, it's just wrong.

I haven't seen anyone defending it, per se. I see some people trying to see through all the faux-outrage and melodramatic ranting though.

If Suarez had just turned round and punched him, there'd have been much less outrage. Yes, it may still have been wrong of him, and yes, he'd have still got a suspension, but I personally don't feel it would have caused as much controversy. The biting thing is just, well, weird. Sorry I can't come up with a more descriptive way of putting it, but it instils a kind of revulsion, a WTF response when you see it.

I must admit I applauded Eric Cantona for kicking the Palace prick.

Same here. He was asking for it! Why the hell should he have to take that? He did it, and accepted the punishment he got for it. He's since always steadfastly refused to apologise for it, said he deserved it, and he'd do exactly the same thing again!

And it was worth him doing it just for this piece of enigmatic genius....

Compare and contrast.... 😀

Thanks for educating me you lot.

Interesting thoughts from those informed, me I don't follow footy, just suprised by the reaction(s) to this.

@MSP - those offenses are not condoned in rugby (nor is biting), there is a fairly long list of players with 3-6 month bans as a result and its common in rugby to cite players after the match based on video evidence. In fact the sport has special citing-officials who watch the video for that purpose. Football and footballers could learn a lot from Rugby in terms of conduct and respect for the officials.

If that's what Stachan actually said then I say "very well said sir".

using it as a platform to slag off the team who employs him

I see some people trying to see through all the faux-outrage and melodramatic ranting though.

FWIW I have no idea why it is so forbidden compared to the other things tbh but it is. Suarez and everyone else knows this. It may be a strange rule [ like the headbut one] but we all know it.
I am also struggling to name a player who has ever bitten another player never mind a three time offender

Football and footballers could learn a lot from Rugby in terms of conduct and respect for the officials.

How to use fake blood effectively being one of them then?

Rugbyists dont argue with the ref but they cheat at least as much.

Same here. He was asking for it!

Calling someone some naughty words does not merit a violent assault.

Calling someone some naughty words does not merit a violent assault.

While I admire your zen-like take on the world, if someone ran the length of a road to get up in my face and deliver a tirade of abuse at me, I'd say they wouldn't have many grounds for complaint if they got a slap for their trouble.

Bravissimo - You must have been watching a different match to me. The Italian defence weren't provoking him, they were doing their job. Pretty effectively, as it happens. He got no more grief than any other striker got in any other game. They weren't taking his legs out, putting in crunching challenges, or sneaky elbows, or owt. They were just stopping him playing.

Italian Team in Having a Quite Good Defence Shocka! Who'd have thought that eh?

Thats why the reaction is just so frankly bizarre.

I don't think anyone could argue with him retaliating, for me, it's not the retaliation, it's the biting thing. Christ, I applauded Cantona when he kicked that supporter, and would have been ok had Suarez just turned round and chinned the bloke. Either man up, chin him or walk away, don't bite somebody, for Gods sake. I'd expect it from a kid, but from an adult, not so much. I don't even see how he could claim it was done in the heat of the moment, seeing as how he's got previous, the slaaag 😮

While I admire your zen-like take on the world, if someone ran the length of a road to get up in my face and deliver a tirade of abuse at me, I'd say they wouldn't have many grounds for complaint if they got a slap for their trouble.

Except he didn't get in Cantona's face. We know this because Cantona had to leap into the crowd to get at him.

He ran down 11 rows of stands in the terraces screaming **** off back to France, you French mother****er [ you have intimate relations with your mother] allegedally

I am not defending what he did but lets at least describe it accurately

Cantona reacted like a silly child because he had been sent off. Let's at least describe it accurately.

Charlie bit me...

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For sure he was cross with the sending off and he is responsible for his actions childish or otherwise
Nonetheless had the fan not done what he did it seems unlikely Cantona would have randomally attacked someone.
Its worth noting the fan was also prosecuted and found guilty of using threatening language and behaviour for his role in the incident

Neither person behaved well that day.

I reckon much of the 'outrage' over this isn't so much because a single instance of biting is apocalyptically bad, but more that he's done it three times now, which might be seen as pushing his luck somewhat, plus doing unusual stuff at the WC finals (for example England winning a game) delivers a massive effect.

Also, his previous history of pisspoor behaviour at WC finals means that plenty of people are looking for any opportunity to enjoy a bit of karma in action.

Biting is like spitting it is just not acceptable or normal behaviour, even in a fight

*or more likely a road rager

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Take that you dishonourable Uruguayan bounder

27/06/2014

Now inside me there's no feelings of joy, revenge or anger against Suarez for an incident that happened on the pitch and that's done. There only remain the anger and the disappointment about the match.

At the moment my only thought is for Luis and his family, because they will face a very difficult period.

I have always considered unequivocal the disciplinary interventions by the competent bodies, but at the same time I believe that the proposed formula is excessive. I sincerely hope that he will be allowed, at least, to stay close to his team mates during the games because such a ban is really alienating for a player.

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Awwwwwwwwww bless

Its worth noting the fan was also prosecuted and found guilty of using threatening language and behaviour for his role in the incident

Neither person behaved well that day.

I'm not suggesting otherwise. Others however seem to think violent assault is an acceptable response to being called nasty names.

Its an instinctive reaction thing. Almost subliminal. You learn these things young. Depends on where you went to school, and what you get used too, I suppose? 😉